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Post by tastytomatoes on Sept 22, 2019 13:57:56 GMT
                              Born in the 90s: Best Actor: Timothée Chalamet, Barry Keoghan, Lucas HedgesBorn in the 80s: Best Actor: Ryan Gosling, Jake Gyllenhaal, Robert PattisonBorn in the 70s: Best Actor: Joaquin Phoenix, Leonardo DiCaprio, Christian BaleBorn in the 60s: Best Actor: Philip Seymour Hoffman, Ralph Fiennes, Javier BardemBorn in the 90s: Best Actress: Saoirse Ronan, Jennifer Lawrence, Margot RobbieBorn in the 80s: Best Actress: Emma Stone; Michelle Williams, Natalie PortmanBorn in the 70s: Best Actress: Marion Cotillard; Kate Winslet; Amy AdamsBorn in the 60s: Best Actress: |
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Post by stephen on Sept 22, 2019 14:00:44 GMT
The Standing Man. Wolf Hall is the greatest performance in television history, his Bridge of Spies turn is an all-timer for me, and Jerusalem and Twelfth Night were absolutely riveting to watch on stage, even if I only saw the former on a really bad cell phone camera.
Bardem and Cage would be in the conversation, though. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 22, 2019 14:25:10 GMT
It would be between Rylance and PSH for me and being an American I have to go with the American though I can't say he's a "better" actor than Rylance exactly.
I am very strongly a believer that PSH and Phoenix are the only Americans to stand on talent with the big 4 of the 1970s American class - and that means Hanks, Washington, Dafoe, Penn, Bridges, DiCaprio all fine actors aren't there either so that's quite a statement for me.....I don't think I can be that adamant of how PSH attains that and not award him here..........but Rylance is a world class actor so it couldn't possibly be any closer for me.
My humblest apologies to Ralph Fiennes who woud be 3rd here........who gave the best stage performance I've ever seen (and I've seen Rylance) and arguably the greatest supporting performance ever in film........another world class talent, in the same Day-Lewis/Oldman/Rylance age group/class for UK thesps. Bardem is in his class too imo........
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Post by jimmalone on Sept 22, 2019 14:35:21 GMT
Russell Crowe
2nd place for Javier Bardem.
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Post by Viced on Sept 22, 2019 14:54:52 GMT
James Gandolfini
Nicolas Cage
Min-sik Choi
Jim Carrey
Laurence Fishburne
Matt Dillon
Clive Owen
Ben Mendelsohn
Vincent Cassel
Tim Roth
John Cusack
James Spader
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Post by stephen on Sept 22, 2019 15:01:17 GMT
1. These omissions are egregious.
2. Goddamn it, now I want Park Chan-wook to cast these two in The Brigands of Rattlecreek and have them face off.
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 22, 2019 15:22:31 GMT
Rylance, Hoffman, Bardem are easily the best actors of the list.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 15:22:40 GMT
Hoffman, Bardem, and Cruise are probably my Top 3.
If we're including actresses I'd take Dern and Watts over any of these guys.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Sept 22, 2019 16:05:58 GMT
Rylance, Hoffman, Bardem are easily the best actors of the list. Have you seen Rylance's works on stage ? Or your opinion about him is based on his screen work only, which more or less result to Intimacy, Bridge of Spies, The BFG, Dunkirk and his TV work in Wolf Hall ? If it's the later, do you really believe that his screen works is " easily " superior to the work you've seen from, say, Russell Crowe ? Nothing wrong with you Terry but since I know you are Greek and maybe living in Greece, I'm curious about it. And because I think some people kind of overrate Rylance based of what they hear about him (considered by many to be the greatest stage/shakespearean actor of his time) and what he could be able to do on screen (but haven't really done yet). Talent is one thing but the actual work, the proof of that talent that we can see and judge is what truly matters, to me. |
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 22, 2019 17:09:51 GMT
Rylance, Hoffman, Bardem are easily the best actors of the list. Have you seen Rylance's works on stage ? Or your opinion about him is based on his screen work only, which more or less result to Intimacy, Bridge of Spies, The BFG, Dunkirk and his TV work in Wolf Hall ? If it's the later, do you really believe that his screen works is " easily " superior to the work you've seen from, say, Russell Crowe ? Nothing wrong with you Terry but since I know you are Greek and maybe living in Greece, I'm curious about it. And because I think some people kind of overrate Rylance based of what they hear about him (considered by many to be the greatest stage/shakespearean actor of his time) and what he could be able to do on screen (but haven't really done yet). Talent is one thing but the actual work, the proof of that talent that we can see and judge is what truly matters, to me. I haven't seen his stage work, I have said that before (on imdb maybe, can't remember) although I've heard about all the rave critics. I'm not a big fan of Crowe tbh. When I said these guys are the best by far, I meant judging by their talent and acting quality. What I've seen from Rylance and made me form that opinion are the ones you mentioned plus Dunkirk and Wolf Hall. Could I be wrong about him? Sure. But atm I really prefer him over Russell (who is a very good actor of course). |
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 22, 2019 17:24:04 GMT
I haven't seen his stage work, I have said that before (on imdb maybe, can't remember) although I've heard about all the rave critics. I'm not a big fan of Crowe tbh. When I said these guys are the best by far, I meant judging by their talent and acting quality. What I've seen from Rylance and made me form that opinion are the ones you mentioned plus Dunkirk and Wolf Hall. Could I be wrong about him? Sure. But atm I really prefer him over Russell (who is a very good actor of course). Very well said......at a certain point when assessing actors you almost have to do the opposite and NOT assess the work, but rather the talent itself. The "work" matters but also gets dangerously close to the "career" and that gets into all kinds of grey areas - usually it's better when you are able to say "actor X can do this and actor Y cannot" ........Chris Walken is a classic example of that - his career I don't think is reflective of his talent, he's better than his overall "work"........which only reflects some of his talent imo. |
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Post by themoviesinner on Sept 22, 2019 17:48:32 GMT
From the actors listed Ralph Fiennes, Woody Harrelson and Mads Mikkelsen are the three best for me. But there are so many great actors missing from that list that I'd definitely consider even better. Just to name a few: Anthony Wong, Tony Chiu-wai Leung (both among the GOATs), Andy Lau, Vincent Cassel, Denis Lavant, Min-sik Choi and Wen Jiang.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Sept 22, 2019 19:19:42 GMT
Have you seen Rylance's works on stage ? Or your opinion about him is based on his screen work only, which more or less result to Intimacy, Bridge of Spies, The BFG, Dunkirk and his TV work in Wolf Hall ? If it's the later, do you really believe that his screen works is " easily " superior to the work you've seen from, say, Russell Crowe ? Nothing wrong with you Terry but since I know you are Greek and maybe living in Greece, I'm curious about it. And because I think some people kind of overrate Rylance based of what they hear about him (considered by many to be the greatest stage/shakespearean actor of his time) and what he could be able to do on screen (but haven't really done yet). Talent is one thing but the actual work, the proof of that talent that we can see and judge is what truly matters, to me. I haven't seen his stage work, I have said that before (on imdb maybe, can't remember) although I've heard about all the rave critics. I'm not a big fan of Crowe tbh. When I said these guys are the best by far, I meant judging by their talent and acting quality. What I've seen from Rylance and made me form that opinion are the ones you mentioned plus Dunkirk and Wolf Hall. Could I be wrong about him? Sure. But atm I really prefer him over Russell (who is a very good actor of course). I see, I used Crowe but I could have used few others, it's just that Rylance is such a special case that can (or apparently not) be harder to asses and rank among his peers. But I think I got my answer, his relatively tiny body of work is not a problem for you and it's already impressive enough to put him at such a hiiiiiigh level, fine. +1 for Tony Leung Chiu-wai, one of the best. |
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 22, 2019 20:53:26 GMT
I haven't seen his stage work, I have said that before (on imdb maybe, can't remember) although I've heard about all the rave critics. I'm not a big fan of Crowe tbh. When I said these guys are the best by far, I meant judging by their talent and acting quality. What I've seen from Rylance and made me form that opinion are the ones you mentioned plus Dunkirk and Wolf Hall. Could I be wrong about him? Sure. But atm I really prefer him over Russell (who is a very good actor of course). I see, I used Crowe but I could have used few others, it's just that Rylance is such a special case that can (or apparently not) be harder to asses and rank among his peers. But I think I got my answer, his relatively tiny body of work is not a problem for you and it's already impressive enough to put him at such a hiiiiiigh level, fine. +1 for Tony Leung Chiu-wai, one of the best. It's not that high of a level, really. I ranked him among two other actors. Maybe I could have ranked him alongside Fiennes, also (I should, really). That's about it. What I've seen makes me believe his talent and acting abilities place him among the most talented actors of this list. Not his fame or his body of work etc. Imo he's in the top 5 of the list. Crowe is in the top 10. I don't think what I'm saying is absurd or anything. |
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