|
Post by TerryMontana on Aug 26, 2019 16:46:01 GMT
The shameless baiting in this trailer is insane. They even used Vader's mechanical breathing, I think. For whatever reason...
|
|
|
Post by theycallmemrfish on Aug 26, 2019 17:10:36 GMT
"Kill the past!"
*dedicates half its trailer to past movies... including the ones they openly said were no longer canon*
|
|
dazed
Based
Posts: 2,624
Likes: 1,790
|
Post by dazed on Aug 26, 2019 17:29:05 GMT
That shot of Rey at the end looked like a clone version imo.
|
|
|
Post by Martin Stett on Aug 26, 2019 17:44:16 GMT
"Kill the past!" *dedicates half its trailer to past movies... including the ones they openly said were no longer canon* But it was the villain that wanted to kill the past, Fish! I can't believe that people actually thought the movie endorsed that thinking! The movie's actual philosophy is... um... well, that the past is good! I mean, the villain can't actually have an argument that makes sense when the good guys have no actual belief system, that's just crazy talk.
|
|
|
Post by TerryMontana on Aug 26, 2019 17:59:02 GMT
"Kill the past!" *dedicates half its trailer to past movies... including the ones they openly said were no longer canon* Well, to me, every SW movie IS canon. Episodes I to IX and Solo and Rogue one. It's three different trilogies, all of them presenting the full story of the empire, the Skywalkers etc. etc. That's why they have the number in their titles I don't know what some producers or directors might have said (probably because they didn't like some of the movies??) but imo all of it is canon. TV series, books, comic books or whatever night not be (I've only watched the Clone Wars anyway). But that's what SW is: Movies!! So you can't say the movies are not canon. My point of view anyway...
|
|
|
Post by mikediastavrone96 on Aug 26, 2019 21:32:03 GMT
"Kill the past!" *dedicates half its trailer to past movies... including the ones they openly said were no longer canon* Who said any of the films were no longer canon? When Disney bought the franchise, the only thing they threw out was the expanded universe.
|
|
morton
Based
Posts: 2,811
Likes: 2,954
|
Post by morton on Aug 26, 2019 21:33:00 GMT
"Kill the past!" *dedicates half its trailer to past movies... including the ones they openly said were no longer canon* But it was the villain that wanted to kill the past, Fish! I can't believe that people actually thought the movie endorsed that thinking! The movie's actual philosophy is... um... well, that the past is good! I mean, the villain can't actually have an argument that makes sense when the good guys have no actual belief system, that's just crazy talk. ITA. I'm not sure why so many people miss the point that it was the villain that said to kill the past, and he was obviously very emotional, even moreso than usual. Plus, he's always trying to kill the past, but it hasn't worked out so well for him. Tried to kill his Uncle, and then he gets humiliated in front of both the FO and Resistance, and the woman he's interested in leaves his ass again. Kills his dad, and then spends the next movie being all broken up about the deed. One of the few times he decides not to kill the past is when he can't go through with pulling the trigger on his mom, then directly after he makes progress by holding hands with Rey and her seeing him as something other than a monster, and then finally pulling one over on Snoke. Then he goes all "let the past die again" mode, and Rey nopes right out of there. Anyhow I haven't heard anything about the past movies not being canon. I know the EU novels and what not aren't anymore; although, they have reintroduced things from the EU like Jaxxon or the bounty hunter guy in the Target Vader comic, so I don't think they ever meant to throw all the stuff away from it. For instance, many people have pointed out the similarities between the Dark Empire comics and what seems to be happening in TRoS, and it's pretty eye opening because of how much of it seems to be happening.
|
|
|
Post by stephen on Aug 26, 2019 21:33:53 GMT
All these last couple of pages have taught me is that Jackson Maine is a Sith Lord. "Maybe it's time to let the old ways die", indeed.
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Aug 26, 2019 21:46:14 GMT
Star Wars is nothing but Star Trek now. Disney milked it and turned into into a regular sci-fi franchise, but the "specialness" is gone. Pumping out a Star Wars movie every year, and now a couple of TV shows has taken away the mystique. Even when Lucas fumbled the prequels, Star Wars still seemed special because it didn't come round very often.
Anyway...I may catch this at some point, even though I thought Force Awakens was lazy fanservice and the last one was awful. Whether I watch The MandalorIan depends on reviews. I'll probably watch Obi-Wan because I rated what Ewan McGregor did in the role...but generally speaking, I think it's a tired franchise overly reliant on "cool" imagery (ooh...look, there is a Sith Lord, with a triple sided detachable lightsaber.Kewl!)
|
|
|
Post by Ryan_MYeah on Aug 27, 2019 3:25:47 GMT
But what about Porgs?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 3:33:44 GMT
It still amazes me how badly they managed to fuck these new Star Wars movies up.
|
|
|
Post by Martin Stett on Aug 27, 2019 4:08:32 GMT
But it was the villain that wanted to kill the past, Fish! I can't believe that people actually thought the movie endorsed that thinking! The movie's actual philosophy is... um... well, that the past is good! I mean, the villain can't actually have an argument that makes sense when the good guys have no actual belief system, that's just crazy talk. ITA. I'm not sure why so many people miss the point that it was the villain that said to kill the past, and he was obviously very emotional, even moreso than usual. Plus, he's always trying to kill the past, but it hasn't worked out so well for him. Tried to kill his Uncle, and then he gets humiliated in front of both the FO and Resistance, and the woman he's interested in leaves his ass again. Kills his dad, and then spends the next movie being all broken up about the deed. One of the few times he decides not to kill the past is when he can't go through with pulling the trigger on his mom, then directly after he makes progress by holding hands with Rey and her seeing him as something other than a monster, and then finally pulling one over on Snoke. Then he goes all "let the past die again" mode, and Rey nopes right out of there. My issue is that Rey has no conflicting viewpoint. She doesn't have much of viewpoint at all, really. Very bland character. Luke had the whole thing with the Empire killing his father and wanting to follow in the footsteps of heroism, only to have the knife stuck in his gut and twisted upon learning the truth. At which point he has to re-evaluate his philosophy and why he fights against the Empire -- and re-evaluates the position of Vader, now seeing him as a good man who has been misled down the path of Evil. Whereas Rey's philosophy is that... well, she wants to know who her parents are. And then she has to run from Tattooine because the plot was trying to kill her there. And then she's given the lightsaber and she's all "nope no thanks crazy force religion nutcases." And then stuff happens (I can't remember too well, maybe someone can fill me in), and she winds up helping out the good guys AND THEN THE LIGHTSABER COMES TO HER AFTER SHE SAID "SCREW THIS SHIT" AND SHE FIGHTS KYLO WITH IT AND I'M SORRY WHAT. Excuse me, that moment infuriates me. Well, anyway in the second movie she goes to Luke to... I forget. She wants him to help the Republic, right? Cool, fine, but then she discovers that Luke is an asshole (more on that later). She has the long fireside talks with Kylo in which he's kind of cool and not an emo kid praying to an altar of Vader's head like in the first movie. She tries to help him turn from the Dark Side and all that. And then he tells her that her parents were nobodies and it's meant to be a big emotional moment but I don't see how her parents being nobodies matters to her worldview? Luke idolized his father because his father was a hero who fought for Good. Rey dreams of parents that didn't abandon her, but I don't really see how learning that they did actually changes anything about why she'd fight for the good guys or bad guys? He then gives his "let the past die" speech and it makes sense that she really does need to let go, both of her wish for loving parents (Kylo's parents were unloving squares who sent him to boarding school with a murderous psychopath, he relates to this) and of her ideal of the light/dark dichotomy (it has been a while since I saw the movie, I could be wrong here). He then kills Snope out of god knows where and she's like "screw this" and leaves and fights with the good guys... but why? What drives her? Luke's reveal of his true lineage actually has weight behind it because he's based his life on that. Rey knows that her parents must be great heroes or something... because? And so she helps the good guys... because? *sigh* It may be clearer than I'm remembering, but I don't recall any actual motivation for anything she does. But you know who does get motivation? Luke "let's murder some children today" Skywalker! I guess all that green milk went to his brain, because when we last saw him he did his damnedest to save Vader's soul in the middle of the greatest firefight in the galaxy's history, but the moment he sees a kid who is "strong in the force" or some shit HE PLANS TO MURDER THE LITTLE BUGGER. Now to be fair, Kylo Ren is an insufferable twerp, but it's still a ridiculous 180. And then Luke atones for his crimes by becoming a vegetarian space hippy pacifist who won't help Rey out because he's just an ornery son of a bitch until the ghost of Yoda just burns all of his precious Jedi books (meaning that Yoda tacitly agrees with Kylo Ren smh) and he says "eh why not, maybe Leia will let me in her pants now that Han's dead" (I'm confident that this is a deleted scene) and helps out the Republic with his "I am not the last Jedi" speech while Yoda is facepalming in the corner and then he... dies through psychically projecting a ghost? Meanwhile, Finn continues to have the personality of a plank of wood, Poe fucking mutinies against a superior's objective idiocy and gets chewed out for it and all is forgotten five minutes later because he's just so darn lovable (and by "lovable" I mean "irritating"), BB-8 gets involved in bathos-filled hijinx and Benicio del Toro is the best part of the movie despite doing a Daffy Duck impression. I used to think that I didn't want to watch Episode IX, but I've changed my mind. I CAN'T WAIT to hatewatch the whole trilogy.
|
|
|
Post by countjohn on Aug 27, 2019 5:22:26 GMT
Star Wars is nothing but Star Trek now. Wait, so does this mean Star Wars is going to start having intelligent political allegories and actual science fiction concepts instead of just being a paperback fantasy novel in space? That would be pretty cool. JJ turned Star Trek into Star Wars and then Star Wars into Star Trek. Gotta hand it to him.
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Aug 27, 2019 7:39:59 GMT
Star Wars is nothing but Star Trek now. Wait, so does this mean Star Wars is going to start having intelligent political allegories and actual science fiction concepts instead of just being a paperback fantasy novel in space? That would be pretty cool. JJ turned Star Trek into Star Wars and then Star Wars into Star Trek. Gotta hand it to him. The Star Wars Prequels probably had more "intelligent political allegories" than the entirety of the Star Trek franchise. All that Trade Federation stuff was meant to give the Star Wars films more real world heft than it's Flash Gordon "paperback fantasy" origins. Lucas tried make his fantasy series much more allegorical to our real world, and got slapped in the face for doing so ( cue nerds screaming: YOU RUINED OUR CHILHOODS GEORGE ). Granted his execution was clunky and the writing was laborious so it all kind of failed, but he did try! Star Wars fans didn't want to hear no chit-chat about trade federations and the political minautea of Governing an entire Universe. They want lightsabre fights and exploding deathstars! All JJ did was pretend the Prequels weren't a thing, and dumbed everything back to the basics of the original trilogy, beat for beat.
|
|
agent69
New Member
Posts: 246
Likes: 83
|
Post by agent69 on Aug 27, 2019 8:28:12 GMT
The Star Wars Prequels probably had more "intelligent political allegories" than the entirety of the Star Trek franchise.
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Aug 27, 2019 12:42:45 GMT
The Star Wars Prequels probably had more "intelligent political allegories" than the entirety of the Star Trek franchise. Hey, edgy hot takes make the world go round
|
|
|
Post by TerryMontana on Aug 27, 2019 14:24:23 GMT
All JJ did was pretend the Prequels weren't a thing, and dumbed everything back to the basics of the original trilogy, beat for beat. Almost copied them, you mean. Especially episode IV... (And I'm one of them who liked the 7th and 8th movies...)
|
|
|
Post by Ryan_MYeah on Oct 22, 2019 1:20:03 GMT
Final trailer debuts tonight.
One of the few times the sport of football is relevant.
|
|
|
Post by therealcomicman117 on Oct 22, 2019 1:49:24 GMT
|
|
|
Post by DeepArcher on Oct 22, 2019 2:14:58 GMT
Still have basically no faith that this will actually be good, but that is a pretty hype trailer.
|
|
|
Post by mikediastavrone96 on Oct 22, 2019 2:22:35 GMT
All I needed to know was that Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver were going to have multiple scenes together. Their chemistry is electric.
What I didn't know I needed was a box of tissues because C-3PO is going to break my fucking heart.
|
|
|
Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Oct 22, 2019 2:37:57 GMT
Omg that reharmonization of the main theme is so glorious, it gave me chills.
|
|
|
Post by Ryan_MYeah on Oct 22, 2019 2:55:19 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Miles Morales on Oct 22, 2019 9:58:18 GMT
Pretty great trailer. I'm hyped.
|
|
|
Post by JangoB on Oct 22, 2019 10:32:43 GMT
It really is a magnificent trailer. I hope the movie lives up to it! Could be a truly great conclusion not only to a wonderful new trilogy but also to the whole Skywalker saga. A huge task, of course, but trailers like this make it seem like they really can pull it off.
|
|