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Post by TylerDeneuve on Sept 8, 2024 17:41:12 GMT
Count out Volpi Cup winner Nicole Kidman at your own peril. The only thing that gives me pause on Kidman is the frank sexuality of her film... Might it make it inaccessible to some voters? You've seen the film, so you'd know much better than I. The last time an erotic thriller was nominated for an Acting award was, what? Diane Lane for Unfaithful? Of course, Academy membership is trending younger, more international... Perhaps it's not as much of an issue any longer.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Sept 8, 2024 17:44:16 GMT
Kidman is NOT winning this year. 100% guaranteed NOT fucking happening. Delusional to think otherwise. Which is fitting, as her most drooling pathetic obsessed groupie is a delusional twat. 🤣
Might not even get nominated. Either way, do look forward to SDE (my new nickname for the cruddy one) being proven wrong yet AGAIN. Honestly, I think QueenBotox may never get that 2nd Oscar. At least not anytime soon.
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Post by Archie on Sept 8, 2024 17:44:42 GMT
Count out Volpi Cup winner Nicole Kidman at your own peril. The only thing that gives me pause on Kidman is that the frank sexuality of her film... Might it make it inaccessible to some voters? You've seen the film, so you'd know much better than I. The last time an erotic thriller was nominated for an Acting award was, what? Diane Lane for Unfaithful? Of course, Academy membership is trending younger, more international... Perhaps it's not as much of an issue any longer. Are you really saying this in a post Poor Things world?
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Sept 8, 2024 17:47:28 GMT
The only thing that gives me pause on Kidman is that the frank sexuality of her film... Might it make it inaccessible to some voters? You've seen the film, so you'd know much better than I. The last time an erotic thriller was nominated for an Acting award was, what? Diane Lane for Unfaithful? Of course, Academy membership is trending younger, more international... Perhaps it's not as much of an issue any longer. Are you really saying this in a post Poor Things world? Yes... The sex scenes in that film are farcical... My understanding is that Babygirl is pure erotica.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 8, 2024 17:55:23 GMT
Kidman is NOT winning this year. 100% guaranteed NOT fucking happening. Delusional to think otherwise. Which is fitting, as her most drooling pathetic obsessed groupie is a delusional twat. 🤣 Might not even get nominated. Either way, do look forward to SMD (my new nickname for the cruddy one) being proven wrong yet AGAIN. Honestly, I think QueenBotox may never get that 2nd Oscar. At least not anytime soon. Aren't you the same dumb cunt who attacked me for saying Will Smith was still a star and his career would be fine, while you insisted his career was over and Bad Boys 4 would be a complete flop and I was just being a "Will Smith groupie" for saying so. Cue Bad Boys 4 being a massive hit and Smith's career being fine....you went curiously silent. You are consistently wrong about everything, yet you still insist on talking as if you believe anyone gives a shit what you have to say. You're a joke. Just some weirdo incel that nobody enjoys having to deal with. Try come for me again dipshit...I could use the entertainment
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Sept 8, 2024 18:00:48 GMT
Count out Volpi Cup winner Nicole Kidman at your own peril. For a nomination or a win? I don’t think anybody is counting her out for a nomination.
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Post by wilcinema on Sept 8, 2024 18:02:51 GMT
Count out Volpi Cup winner Nicole Kidman at your own peril. For a nomination or a win? I don’t think anybody is counting her out for a nomination. A nomination. I don’t think she’ll miss. A second Lead Oscar is very difficult to get and I doubt she’ll do it with this role and performance.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Sept 8, 2024 18:04:47 GMT
For a nomination or a win? I don’t think anybody is counting her out for a nomination. A nomination. I don’t think she’ll miss. A second Lead Oscar is very difficult to get and I doubt she’ll do it with this role and performance. Oh yeah for sure I think she’s the front runner for that 5th spot. I do think Jean Baptiste abs maybe Adams are going to put up a good fight though.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 8, 2024 18:07:33 GMT
For a nomination or a win? I don’t think anybody is counting her out for a nomination. A nomination. I don’t think she’ll miss. A second Lead Oscar is very difficult to get and I doubt she’ll do it with this role and performance. I think people weirdly still underestimate Kidman's stature in the industry at this point. She's the second youngest actress after Meryl Streep to recieve the AFI Lifetime Achievement Award. She is an industry legend at this point and percieved as well overdue for a 2nd Oscar. In a vacuum, you are right, but with those intangibles in play based on who she is, I don't see why she can't be competitive to to win. Also, It's be nice if AMPAS actually acknowledged Kidman for one of her more riskier roles. But I think the makeup of the Academy has changed enough to make that possible.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Sept 8, 2024 18:11:49 GMT
A nomination. I don’t think she’ll miss. A second Lead Oscar is very difficult to get and I doubt she’ll do it with this role and performance. I think people underestimate Kidman's stature in the industry at this point. She's the second youngest actress after Meryl Streep to recieve the AFI Lifetime Achievement Award. She is an industry legend at this point and percieved as well overdue for a 2nd Oscar. In a vacuum, you are right, but with those intangibles in play based on who she is, I don't see why she can't be competitive to to win. No, it really isn't that. Historically, AMPAS has honored her as often as they've passed on her... See Julianne Moore and Shirley MacLaine, too... All three of them are totally beloved in the industry.
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Post by wilcinema on Sept 8, 2024 18:12:50 GMT
A nomination. I don’t think she’ll miss. A second Lead Oscar is very difficult to get and I doubt she’ll do it with this role and performance. I think people underestimate Kidman's stature in the industry at this point. She's the second youngest actress after Meryl Streep to recieve the AFI Lifetime Achievement Award. She is an industry legend at this point and percieved as well overdue for a 2nd Oscar. In a vacuum, you are right, but with those intangibles in play based on who she is, I don't see why she can't be competitive to to win. Because a second win in Lead require either a very strong film (like Swank) or monumental raves (like Stone or McDormand), and sometimes even that doesn’t help (see Blanchett). I don’t see Kidman winning SAG with this role, it’s much more a jury award kind of thing.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 8, 2024 18:19:29 GMT
I think people underestimate Kidman's stature in the industry at this point. She's the second youngest actress after Meryl Streep to recieve the AFI Lifetime Achievement Award. She is an industry legend at this point and percieved as well overdue for a 2nd Oscar. In a vacuum, you are right, but with those intangibles in play based on who she is, I don't see why she can't be competitive to to win. Because a second win in Lead require either a very strong film (like Swank) or monumental raves (like Stone or McDormand), and sometimes even that doesn’t help (see Blanchett). I don’t see Kidman winning SAG with this role, it’s much more a jury award kind of thing. Babygirl has 94% on Rotten Tomatoes with 31 reviews. It's already been declared Universally Acclaimed on Metacritic with 81 on Metacritic on 20 reviews. These are Best Picture calibre scores. The movie itself is incredibly well recieved. Will it be to the Academy's taste for a BP nomination? Who knows.Too early to say at this point. But it certainly has the reviews for a BP nod, especially if critics awards decide to go to bat for it. I think Halina Rejin stands a pretty good shot at a screenplay nomination. I think it's way to early to write off this film as just a play for Kidman.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Sept 8, 2024 18:27:44 GMT
Kidman is NOT winning this year. 100% guaranteed NOT fucking happening. Delusional to think otherwise. Which is fitting, as her most drooling pathetic obsessed groupie is a delusional twat. 🤣 Might not even get nominated. Either way, do look forward to SMD (my new nickname for the cruddy one) being proven wrong yet AGAIN. Honestly, I think QueenBotox may never get that 2nd Oscar. At least not anytime soon. Aren't you the same dumb cunt who attacked me for saying Will Smith was still a star and his career would be fine, while you insisted his career was over and Bad Boys 4 would be a complete flop and I was just being a "Will Smith groupie" for saying so. Cue Bad Boys 4 being a massive hit and Smith's career being fine....you went curiously silent. You are consistently wrong about everything, yet you still insist on talking as if you believe anyone gives a shit what you have to say. You're a joke. Just some weirdo incel that nobody enjoys having to deal with. Try come for me again dipshit...I could use the entertainment Stop projecting, DUMB CUNT. 🖕🤣🖕 That last paragraph...actually everything you said starting with "you are consistently wrong about everything" (minus the incel bit) is EXACTLY how this board feels about you. You're delusional to think you're not one of the most despised & routinely mocked braindead losers on these boards. How many people do you have on ignore cuz they hurt your fee fees by goofing on your pathetic delusional worshipping of your favorites? Stop projecting, DUMB CUNT. This board HATES YOU and if I ever saw you in person, you'd be trying to crawl back in your mother's womb like the chickenshit SmallDickEnergy troll that you are. I'll come at you every day and every night 24/7, twatmuffin. You couldn't intimidate a 1-legged poodle. You are a delusional smug BITCH, and I'll keep treating you as one. QueenBotox will NOT win this year. And you'll be weeping in your Mom's basement just like you did in 2022. I'll wait for your comeback so I can rip you all over again. 🤣
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 8, 2024 18:30:54 GMT
Aren't you the same dumb cunt who attacked me for saying Will Smith was still a star and his career would be fine, while you insisted his career was over and Bad Boys 4 would be a complete flop and I was just being a "Will Smith groupie" for saying so. Cue Bad Boys 4 being a massive hit and Smith's career being fine....you went curiously silent. You are consistently wrong about everything, yet you still insist on talking as if you believe anyone gives a shit what you have to say. You're a joke. Just some weirdo incel that nobody enjoys having to deal with. Try come for me again dipshit...I could use the entertainment Stop projecting, DUMB CUNT. 🖕🤣🖕 That last paragraph (minus the incel bit) is EXACTLY how this board feels about you. You're delusional to think you're not one of the most despised & routinely mocked braindead losers on these boards. How many people do you have on ignore cuz they hurt your fee fees by goofing on your pathetic delusional worshipping of your favorites? Stop projecting, DUMB CUNT. This board HATES you and if I ever saw you in person, you'd be trying to crawl back in your mother's womb like the chickenshit SmallDickEnergy troll that you are. I'll come at you every day and every night 24/7, twatmuffin. You couldn't intimidate a 1-legged poodle. You are a delusional smug BITCH, and I'll keep treating you as one. QueenBotox will NOT win this year. And you'll be weeping in your Mom's basement just like you did in 2022. I'll wait for your comeback so I can rip you all over again. 🤣 My comeback is: Blocked . Wonder why I never did it in the first place ages ago. You're literally the most useless and unintelligent poster on MAR.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Sept 8, 2024 18:40:25 GMT
Stop projecting, DUMB CUNT. 🖕🤣🖕 That last paragraph (minus the incel bit) is EXACTLY how this board feels about you. You're delusional to think you're not one of the most despised & routinely mocked braindead losers on these boards. How many people do you have on ignore cuz they hurt your fee fees by goofing on your pathetic delusional worshipping of your favorites? Stop projecting, DUMB CUNT. This board HATES you and if I ever saw you in person, you'd be trying to crawl back in your mother's womb like the chickenshit SmallDickEnergy troll that you are. I'll come at you every day and every night 24/7, twatmuffin. You couldn't intimidate a 1-legged poodle. You are a delusional smug BITCH, and I'll keep treating you as one. QueenBotox will NOT win this year. And you'll be weeping in your Mom's basement just like you did in 2022. I'll wait for your comeback so I can rip you all over again. 🤣 My comeback is: Blocked . Wonder why I never did it in the first place ages ago. You're literally the most useless and unintelligent poster on MAR. Just the kind of chickenshit comeback I expected, BITCH. 🖕🤣🖕
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Post by stephen on Sept 8, 2024 18:46:34 GMT
If I'm looking at the pros and cons for Kidman: Pros: 1. She won the Volpi Cup. Rose Byrne and Cailee Spaeny are the only English-language female winners to miss the Oscar nomination since 2000, and neither of them is close to Kidman's stature in the industry. 2. The film itself is pretty critically acclaimed outside of her. 3. Despite A24 having three of the major Best Actor contenders, their only primary player in Best Actress is Kidman. 4. The field is starting to thin out as presumed contenders like Adams and Gaga drop off. Cons: 1. Like wilcinema (who has seen the film) said, this is much more in line with her more outre fare like Dogville or Birth than with anything she's done that the Academy's gone for before. Acclaimed or not, this is an explicit erotic thriller -- a genre the Academy historically looks down on. 2. A24 has a lot on their plate this year, and they have historically bungled managing multiple campaigns at once. 2022 was a fluke. 3. She's up against competition with strong narratives of their own, most of whom have stronger films overall. A second Oscar win usually connotes a strong film alongside them, an undeniable narrative or a strong critical sweep. And while Kidman's individual reviews are very strong, so too are those of her competitors. All of this to say that I think Kidman stands a very good shot at the nomination, but the win itself is going to take some doing.
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Post by wilcinema on Sept 8, 2024 19:01:27 GMT
Excellent post, stephen. The only thing I must correct you on is that Babygirl is much more of a black comedy than a thriller, but apart from that you’re spot on.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 8, 2024 19:13:12 GMT
3. She's up against competition with strong narratives of their own, most of whom have stronger films overall. A second Oscar win usually connotes a strong film alongside them, an undeniable narrative or a strong critical sweep. And while Kidman's individual reviews are very strong, so too are those of her competitors. Well said . Great analysis. But this is the only point you made I might have some slight contention with. Who exactly are the competition with strong narratives that have stronger films? You can't be talking about relative unknowns like Mikey Madison and Karla Sofia Gascon? They have no narrative to speak of. Angelina Jolie, Sairose Ronan and Amy Adams certainly have strong narratives, but all their films have weaker receptions/reviews than Kidman's.I'm not fully convinced by this argument, but everything else makes sense.
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Post by stephen on Sept 8, 2024 19:15:58 GMT
3. She's up against competition with strong narratives of their own, most of whom have stronger films overall. A second Oscar win usually connotes a strong film alongside them, an undeniable narrative or a strong critical sweep. And while Kidman's individual reviews are very strong, so too are those of her competitors. Well said . Great analysis. But this is the only point you made I might have some slight contention with. Who exactly are the competition with strong narratives that have stronger films? You can't be talking about relative unknowns like Mikey Madison and Karla Sofia Gascon? They have no narrative to speak of. Angelina Jolie, Sairose Ronan and Amy Adams certainly have strong narratives, but all their films have weaker receptions/reviews than Kidman's.I'm not fully convinced by this argument, but everything else makes sense. Karla Sofia Gascón's narrative is gigantic, especially given the current climate. She won Cannes Best Actress, her film is a potential top five player, she has Netflix backing her, and she has the opportunity to be the first trans acting winner. And considering this particular year in regards to politics and trans rights, that cannot be overstated. Gascón's major hurdle is her name recognition, which doesn't help in the leading category, but everything else makes her a very powerful threat.
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Post by finniussnrub on Sept 8, 2024 19:16:15 GMT
If I'm looking at the pros and cons for Kidman: Pros: 1. She won the Volpi Cup. Rose Byrne and Cailee Spaeny are the only English-language female winners to miss the Oscar nomination since 2000, and neither of them is close to Kidman's stature in the industry. 2. The film itself is pretty critically acclaimed outside of her. 3. Despite A24 having three of the major Best Actor contenders, their only primary player in Best Actress is Kidman. 4. The field is starting to thin out as presumed contenders like Adams and Gaga drop off. Cons: 1. Like wilcinema (who has seen the film) said, this is much more in line with her more outre fare like Dogville or Birth than with anything she's done that the Academy's gone for before. Acclaimed or not, this is an explicit erotic thriller -- a genre the Academy historically looks down on.2. A24 has a lot on their plate this year, and they have historically bungled managing multiple campaigns at once. 2022 was a fluke. 3. She's up against competition with strong narratives of their own, most of whom have stronger films overall. A second Oscar win usually connotes a strong film alongside them, an undeniable narrative or a strong critical sweep. And while Kidman's individual reviews are very strong, so too are those of her competitors. All of this to say that I think Kidman stands a very good shot at the nomination, but the win itself is going to take some doing. All good points. Though on #1 con, I think the academy has most certainly changed since those films however, I mean let's not forget the film that won best actress last year.
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Post by rhodoraonline on Sept 8, 2024 19:16:57 GMT
I really liked Nightbitch's review by Deadline but it did not sound like Oscar bait at all and niether were Adams' notices the kind of strong raves that give security to someone's chances especially given the kind of competition this year.
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Post by stephen on Sept 8, 2024 19:18:19 GMT
If I'm looking at the pros and cons for Kidman: Pros: 1. She won the Volpi Cup. Rose Byrne and Cailee Spaeny are the only English-language female winners to miss the Oscar nomination since 2000, and neither of them is close to Kidman's stature in the industry. 2. The film itself is pretty critically acclaimed outside of her. 3. Despite A24 having three of the major Best Actor contenders, their only primary player in Best Actress is Kidman. 4. The field is starting to thin out as presumed contenders like Adams and Gaga drop off. Cons: 1. Like wilcinema (who has seen the film) said, this is much more in line with her more outre fare like Dogville or Birth than with anything she's done that the Academy's gone for before. Acclaimed or not, this is an explicit erotic thriller -- a genre the Academy historically looks down on.2. A24 has a lot on their plate this year, and they have historically bungled managing multiple campaigns at once. 2022 was a fluke. 3. She's up against competition with strong narratives of their own, most of whom have stronger films overall. A second Oscar win usually connotes a strong film alongside them, an undeniable narrative or a strong critical sweep. And while Kidman's individual reviews are very strong, so too are those of her competitors. All of this to say that I think Kidman stands a very good shot at the nomination, but the win itself is going to take some doing. All good points. Though on #1 con, I think the academy has most certainly changed since those films however, I mean let's not forget the film that won best actress last year. Poor Things was arguably second place for Best Picture last year. It was a huge contender across the board, not just in Best Actress. If Babygirl were a strong player in other categories, that would only serve to help Kidman's case. As it stands, she's looking likely to be the sole representative of the movie as a nominee.
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Post by finniussnrub on Sept 8, 2024 19:20:01 GMT
All good points. Though on #1 con, I think the academy has most certainly changed since those films however, I mean let's not forget the film that won best actress last year. Poor Things was arguably second place for Best Picture last year. It was a huge contender across the board, not just in Best Actress. If Babygirl were a strong player in other categories, that would only serve to help Kidman's case. As it stands, she's looking likely to be the sole representative of the movie as a nominee. My point was that they are willing to step into fair that used to not be seen as "academy fair".
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Post by stephen on Sept 8, 2024 19:23:29 GMT
Poor Things was arguably second place for Best Picture last year. It was a huge contender across the board, not just in Best Actress. If Babygirl were a strong player in other categories, that would only serve to help Kidman's case. As it stands, she's looking likely to be the sole representative of the movie as a nominee. My point was that they are willing to step into fair that used to not be seen as "academy fair". Only up to a point, though. This is the same Academy that recognized Being the Ricardos with three acting nominations just three years ago.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 8, 2024 19:23:51 GMT
Well said . Great analysis. But this is the only point you made I might have some slight contention with. Who exactly are the competition with strong narratives that have stronger films? You can't be talking about relative unknowns like Mikey Madison and Karla Sofia Gascon? They have no narrative to speak of. Angelina Jolie, Sairose Ronan and Amy Adams certainly have strong narratives, but all their films have weaker receptions/reviews than Kidman's.I'm not fully convinced by this argument, but everything else makes sense. Karla Sofia Gascón's narrative is gigantic, especially given the current climate. She won Cannes Best Actress, her film is a potential top five player, she has Netflix backing her, and she has the opportunity to be the first trans acting winner. And considering this particular year in regards to politics and trans rights, that cannot be overstated. Gascón's major hurdle is her name recognition, which doesn't help in the leading category, but everything else makes her a very powerful threat. Yeah, after the Academy completely rejected the narrative of making Lily Gladstone the first Native American/Indigenous Best Actress winner to give Emma Stone a 2nd Oscar she didn't need and continue to keep ignoring more opportunities to award more than 1 black woman in Best Actress in a century, I truly believe that Best Actress is one category where voters don't give a fuck about identity politics. I don't think the Trans narrative helps her at all. I'd argue it actually disadvantages her, knowing the history of the category
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