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Post by stephen on Feb 1, 2023 15:58:26 GMT
Even if her nomination had been rescinded, this chain of events is the best thing that could ever happen to Riseborough's career. She went from a (mostly) no name indie character actress to the talk of the town. That kind of meteoric rise and hype is very hard to live up too. It's a brutal industry - here today, gone tomorrow. Time will tell whether she gets nominated beyond this performance - or will it be a one hit wonder. The thing is, Riseborough works very consistently and crops up in both prestige projects and oddball auteur stuff in equal measure. The Oscar nomination actually gives her some clout because once you're on the Academy's radar, it's easier to get recognized when your foot's in the door. Riseborough will likely continue to do things in the Mandy/Possessor vein and continue as a stalwart character actress, but now she's "Academy Award nominee Andrea Riseborough." It's not like she's a one-hit wonder.
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Post by filmnoir on Feb 1, 2023 16:31:01 GMT
That kind of meteoric rise and hype is very hard to live up too. It's a brutal industry - here today, gone tomorrow. Time will tell whether she gets nominated beyond this performance - or will it be a one hit wonder. The thing is, Riseborough works very consistently and crops up in both prestige projects and oddball auteur stuff in equal measure. The Oscar nomination actually gives her some clout because once you're on the Academy's radar, it's easier to get recognized when your foot's in the door. Riseborough will likely continue to do things in the Mandy/Possessor vein and continue as a stalwart character actress, but now she's "Academy Award nominee Andrea Riseborough." It's not like she's a one-hit wonder. My point - will she be nominated beyond this performance. The Academy is filled with one 1 time acting nominees - many who didn't live up to that initial hype. Time will tell. Whereas I can't see Blanchett, Davis, Williams not being nominated again. And Viola Davis may have missed out this time, but she is poised to win that 2nd Oscar.
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Post by stephen on Feb 1, 2023 16:38:55 GMT
The thing is, Riseborough works very consistently and crops up in both prestige projects and oddball auteur stuff in equal measure. The Oscar nomination actually gives her some clout because once you're on the Academy's radar, it's easier to get recognized when your foot's in the door. Riseborough will likely continue to do things in the Mandy/Possessor vein and continue as a stalwart character actress, but now she's "Academy Award nominee Andrea Riseborough." It's not like she's a one-hit wonder. My point - will she be nominated beyond this performance. The Academy is filled with one 1 time acting nominees - many who didn't live up to that initial hype. Time will tell. Whereas I can't see Blanchett, Davis, Williams not being nominated again. And Viola Davis may have missed out this time, but she is poised to win that 2nd Oscar. I don't disagree with any of this, but I think that now that Riseborough has that heat, we're going to see higher-profile directors start courting her for their works even more. I can see Riseborough working with Guillermo Del Toro, for example (she already worked with AGI to great success). Riseborough has an appeal that we don't see a lot in leading ladies, where she is unafraid to go chameleonic. The types of roles she normally does don't lend themselves to easy nominations, but I think once you're in the conversation, it's hard to really leave it. Keep an eye on the awards race in the next five years; any time Andrea has a film out that's even remotely baity, they'll pencil her in for being in contention sight unseen. And I think even if she doesn't win the Oscar, she's won something just as good: people know her name and she has support in the industry.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 1, 2023 19:05:25 GMT
The thing is, Riseborough works very consistently and crops up in both prestige projects and oddball auteur stuff in equal measure. The Oscar nomination actually gives her some clout because once you're on the Academy's radar, it's easier to get recognized when your foot's in the door. Riseborough will likely continue to do things in the Mandy/Possessor vein and continue as a stalwart character actress, but now she's "Academy Award nominee Andrea Riseborough." It's not like she's a one-hit wonder. My point - will she be nominated beyond this performance. The Academy is filled with one 1 time acting nominees - many who didn't live up to that initial hype. Time will tell. Whereas I can't see Blanchett, Davis, Williams not being nominated again. And Viola Davis may have missed out this time, but she is poised to win that 2nd Oscar. She doesn’t need to be nominated again for this nomination to still be beneficial to her career.
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Post by filmnoir on Feb 1, 2023 19:47:42 GMT
My point - will she be nominated beyond this performance. The Academy is filled with one 1 time acting nominees - many who didn't live up to that initial hype. Time will tell. Whereas I can't see Blanchett, Davis, Williams not being nominated again. And Viola Davis may have missed out this time, but she is poised to win that 2nd Oscar. I don't disagree with any of this, but I think that now that Riseborough has that heat, we're going to see higher-profile directors start courting her for their works even more. I can see Riseborough working with Guillermo Del Toro, for example (she already worked with AGI to great success). Riseborough has an appeal that we don't see a lot in leading ladies, where she is unafraid to go chameleonic. The types of roles she normally does don't lend themselves to easy nominations, but I think once you're in the conversation, it's hard to really leave it. Keep an eye on the awards race in the next five years; any time Andrea has a film out that's even remotely baity, they'll pencil her in for being in contention sight unseen. And I think even if she doesn't win the Oscar, she's won something just as good: people know her name and she has support in the industry. But you're speaking purely from a fan perspective. And that was my point - she is being so overly hyped - that she is almost set up to fail.
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Post by Brother Fease on Feb 1, 2023 22:30:14 GMT
"However, we did discover social media and outreach campaigning tactics that caused concern. These tactics are being addressed with the responsible parties directly.”Right - that translates to "our bullshit "rules" were swerved by creativity and a changing world which makes our awards as passe as the bought and sold movies we pretend represent "the industry" I agree with this + you referenced one of my favorite television shows. Bonus point.
But yeah, this whole thing is offensive to me. Everything about it is wrong. They are going after Frances Fisher for explaining math to people. As an accountant, I have to laugh at that notion.
Studios are spending millions and millions of dollars on promoting their films. The Globes, Critics Choice and SAG nominating committee attempt to shape who should and should not be nominated. The Academy decides to go with an outsider, and people freak out. It was a word of mouth campaign. Pure and simple. Nobody was giving Academy members money or free cruises to the Maldives in exchange for picking X actor -- that would be an obvious unfair scenario.
It should also be noted that the Academy has decided against expanding its acting line-up. The Critics Choice and BAFTAs have expanded their list to six nominees. The Globes split some of their nominees into Comedy/Musical and Drama. If they really want to increase opportunity, go to 6 nominees for acting and directing.
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Post by stephen on Feb 3, 2023 14:28:59 GMT
"However, we did discover social media and outreach campaigning tactics that caused concern. These tactics are being addressed with the responsible parties directly.”Right - that translates to "our bullshit "rules" were swerved by creativity and a changing world which makes our awards as passe as the bought and sold movies we pretend represent "the industry" I agree with this + you referenced one of my favorite television shows. Bonus point.
But yeah, this whole thing is offensive to me. Everything about it is wrong. They are going after Frances Fisher for explaining math to people. As an accountant, I have to laugh at that notion.
Studios are spending millions and millions of dollars on promoting their films. The Globes, Critics Choice and SAG nominating committee attempt to shape who should and should not be nominated. The Academy decides to go with an outsider, and people freak out. It was a word of mouth campaign. Pure and simple. Nobody was giving Academy members money or free cruises to the Maldives in exchange for picking X actor -- that would be an obvious unfair scenario.
It should also be noted that the Academy has decided against expanding its acting line-up. The Critics Choice and BAFTAs have expanded their list to six nominees. The Globes split some of their nominees into Comedy/Musical and Drama. If they really want to increase opportunity, go to 6 nominees for acting and directing.
I expanded my personal acting lineups (and all non-Picture categories) to seven, but I also know I see a lot more stuff than the average Academy voter, and especially stuff that's off the beaten path. The Academy wouldn't change their viewing habits or go for more eclectic fare with that extra slot; in fact, there'd be less room for surprises because we wouldn't see shocking misses from people who hit most of the precursors because there's an extra spot now. There are massive changes that need to happen, both within the Academy and the industry at large, in terms of how actors of color and their films are portrayed and viewed. But pigeonholing Andrea Riseborough's campaign as the bad guy is deliberately missing the forest for the trees.
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Post by Brother Fease on Feb 3, 2023 15:20:03 GMT
I expanded my personal acting lineups (and all non-Picture categories) to seven, but I also know I see a lot more stuff than the average Academy voter, and especially stuff that's off the beaten path. The Academy wouldn't change their viewing habits or go for more eclectic fare with that extra slot; in fact, there'd be less room for surprises because we wouldn't see shocking misses from people who hit most of the precursors because there's an extra spot now. There are massive changes that need to happen, both within the Academy and the industry at large, in terms of how actors of color and their films are portrayed and viewed. But pigeonholing Andrea Riseborough's campaign as the bad guy is deliberately missing the forest for the trees.I could go with 6 or 7 nominees. Makes sense, especially in the world of streaming services and increased availability for non-American English films.
And yes, going after Riseborough's whisper campaign was just plain old wrong.
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 3, 2023 17:18:48 GMT
I expanded my personal acting lineups (and all non-Picture categories) to seven, but I also know I see a lot more stuff than the average Academy voter, and especially stuff that's off the beaten path. The Academy wouldn't change their viewing habits or go for more eclectic fare with that extra slot; in fact, there'd be less room for surprises because we wouldn't see shocking misses from people who hit most of the precursors because there's an extra spot now. There are massive changes that need to happen, both within the Academy and the industry at large, in terms of how actors of color and their films are portrayed and viewed. But pigeonholing Andrea Riseborough's campaign as the bad guy is deliberately missing the forest for the trees.I could go with 6 or 7 nominees. Makes sense, especially in the world of streaming services and increased availability for non-American English films.
And yes, going after Riseborough's whisper campaign was just plain old wrong. Please not!!! They've done this with the Emmy and become even worse (I mean more people from Shonda Rhimes and Ryan Murphy nominated and not the trully oustanding performance, or even the performance of the most popular shows).- Its better to restablish the Juvenile Awards, or like in other Academies countries The Best Newcomer.-
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Post by MsMovieStar on Feb 4, 2023 16:57:18 GMT
Oh honey, I watched To Leslie last night and Andrea Riseborough delivers one hell of a performance. It's probably the best, most seamless characterisation on screen in a long time, especially the steady Texan accent considering that she's an English actress. This level of realism and emotional honesty (she reminded me of the legendary Anna Magnani at times) is what truly great acting is about - It's not about wigs and whispering. If an A List actress had delivered this caliber of acting, she'd be a dead cert to be walking off with the Best Actress Oscar, but because a lesser known English actress delivered it, I can't see it being more than a nomination. I'd seen Riseborough's work before, because she was the standout in W.E. Madonna's movie about Wallis Simpson & Edward.
To Leslie is a slow burn redemption story but it is definitely worth staying with it for the pay off at the end. I cried, and cried, and then cried some more!
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Post by Allenism on Feb 4, 2023 18:06:14 GMT
Oh honey, I watched To Leslie last night and Andrea Riseborough delivers one hell of a performance. It's probably the best, most seamless characterisation on screen in a long time, especially the steady Texan accent considering that she's an English actress. This level of realism and emotional honesty (she reminded me of the legendary Anna Magnani at times) is what truly great acting is about - It's not about wigs and whispering. If an A List actress had delivered this caliber of acting, she'd be a dead cert to be walking off with the Best Actress Oscar, but because a lesser known English actress delivered it, I can't see it being more than a nomination. I'd seen Riseborough's work before, because she was the standout in W.E. Madonna's movie about Wallis Simpson & Edward. To Leslie is a slow burn redemption story but it is definitely worth staying with it for the pay off at the end. I cried, and cried, and then cried some more! Oh honey is this your way of telling us you're actually Frances Fisher?
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Post by MsMovieStar on Feb 4, 2023 21:07:45 GMT
Oh honey, I watched To Leslie last night and Andrea Riseborough delivers one hell of a performance. It's probably the best, most seamless characterisation on screen in a long time, especially the steady Texan accent considering that she's an English actress. This level of realism and emotional honesty (she reminded me of the legendary Anna Magnani at times) is what truly great acting is about - It's not about wigs and whispering. If an A List actress had delivered this caliber of acting, she'd be a dead cert to be walking off with the Best Actress Oscar, but because a lesser known English actress delivered it, I can't see it being more than a nomination. I'd seen Riseborough's work before, because she was the standout in W.E. Madonna's movie about Wallis Simpson & Edward. To Leslie is a slow burn redemption story but it is definitely worth staying with it for the pay off at the end. I cried, and cried, and then cried some more! Oh honey is this your way of telling us you're actually Frances Fisher?
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Post by countjohn on Feb 5, 2023 20:59:46 GMT
Yeah guys, I don't see how anyone can argue being an Academy Award nominee and being at the center of a relatively benign controversy that is eating up tons of headlines will be anything but good for her career.
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