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Post by stephen on Jan 31, 2023 16:36:38 GMT
I firmly believe that the backlash/attention brought to Riseborough firmly places her third ATM. Better her than de Armas. I can't tell -- you have mixed feelings on Blonde, right?
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Post by Archie on Jan 31, 2023 19:05:42 GMT
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Post by stephen on Jan 31, 2023 19:29:38 GMT
As hilarious as Schrader's endorsement is... I do wonder how many people in the Academy feel similarly. They probably admire Riseborough actually putting the effort in without having to waste huge amounts of money over long grueling months of campaigning to do so, and they probably hate that she's copping flak for not playing the game that is pretty well rigged against movies like hers to begin with.
I certainly don't expect her to win based off of this, but man -- I'd love to see it just to see the fallout.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 31, 2023 20:55:01 GMT
I'm probably predicting Blanchett all the way but this is what I've been saying -- Riseborough's grassroots campaign for a small indie film is a winning narrative and in a different year (and tbh maybe even this one ) she's really stiff competition. And I've been saying this too, more voters discovering her phenomenal perf in the coming weeks in conjunction with this media frenzy can only help her even more. She's hot stuff.
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Post by JangoB on Jan 31, 2023 21:17:41 GMT
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Post by stephen on Jan 31, 2023 21:18:26 GMT
"Layla" plays as Frances Fisher is found in the meat truck.
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Post by Savager on Jan 31, 2023 21:20:57 GMT
So pretty much the punishment that any sane person knew was the likely outcome.
Anybody who thought the nom would be taken away was living in fantasy land.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 31, 2023 21:27:54 GMT
"However, we did discover social media and outreach campaigning tactics that caused concern. These tactics are being addressed with the responsible parties directly.”Right - that translates to "our bullshit "rules" were swerved by creativity and a changing world which makes our awards as passe as the bought and sold movies we pretend represent "the industry"
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Post by futuretrunks on Jan 31, 2023 21:44:42 GMT
Yeah, they can't subpoena telephone records or emails, so this means nothing. Next time people will just contact each other directly and avoid campaining on social media. You know...like it's always been done.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Jan 31, 2023 21:48:09 GMT
It's a rare, unbelievably great performance and the strength of the performance has been under-evaluated, if all of this (the vigorous campaign and the nomination) happened it's also because of how undeniably strong and how much passion the performance was able to generates. Actors like Winslet, Norton, Fonda, etc... knew they saw something truly special and it was like a duty to talk, to express and share their love for the performance and encourage others to watch it. To me, you watch that performance, you vote for it, it's that simple, so if enough voters do their jobs correctly (...) and watch the movie, she's will gets a good amount of votes. Enough to win ? I don't know, probably not, but I didn't even follow the oscar race, I just know that Cate The Great has been leading the whole thing and that the icon Michelle Yeoh has a very strong film and some good naratives (and one of these naratives got even stronger now that Deadwyler and Davis didn't receive a nomination).
Oh and Schrader has been raving about that performance for months, no surprise he will vote for it.
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Post by stephen on Jan 31, 2023 21:54:05 GMT
It's a rare, unbelievably great performance and the strength of the performance has been under-evaluated, if all of this (the vigorous campaign and the nomination) happened it's also because of how undeniably strong and how much passion the performance was able to generates. Actors like Winslet, Norton, Fonda, etc... knew they saw something truly special and it was like a duty to talk, to express and share their love for the performance and encourage others to watch it. To me, you watch that performance, you vote for it, it's that simple, so if enough voters do their jobs correctly (...) and watch the movie, she's will gets a good amount of votes. Enough to win ? I don't know, probably not, but I didn't even follow the oscar race, I just know that Cate The Great has been leading the whole thing and that the icon Michelle Yeoh has a very strong film and some good naratives (and one of these naratives got even stronger now that Deadwyler and Davis didn't receive a nomination). Oh and Schrader has been raving about that performance for months, no surprise he will vote for it. Honestly, I feel like all of this hullabaloo probably puts Riseborough in a stronger position than she ever would've been had she campaigned "the normal way" (assuming she even would get nominated that way). I feel a lot of people must share Schrader's views that what should be a shining moment in a consummate hard-working character actress's career has been tainted by accusations of "not playing fairly" in an industry where underhanded tactics and millions in payola, and I feel like a fair amount of voters will sympathize with how the little film that could is getting bullied by the bigger studios for being seen as cheating. I don't know, man. I feel like there could be a sea-change right now. Not that I think it'll mean much, but I wonder how the final votes would tally, and if there is a way that Yeoh wins, I feel like Riseborough would siphon votes from Blanchett more than anyone else.
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Post by filmnoir on Jan 31, 2023 22:13:26 GMT
I'm probably predicting Blanchett all the way but this is what I've been saying -- Riseborough's grassroots campaign for a small indie film is a winning narrative and in a different year (and tbh maybe even this one ) she's really stiff competition. And I've been saying this too, more voters discovering her phenomenal perf in the coming weeks in conjunction with this media frenzy can only help her even more. She's hot stuff. The problem is that she and the performance have been so over-hyped and put on a pedestal where it can do no wrong - that it will bound to be a letdown and disappoint some voters. And we know voters vote for different reasons.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 31, 2023 23:03:00 GMT
I'm probably predicting Blanchett all the way but this is what I've been saying -- Riseborough's grassroots campaign for a small indie film is a winning narrative and in a different year (and tbh maybe even this one ) she's really stiff competition. And I've been saying this too, more voters discovering her phenomenal perf in the coming weeks in conjunction with this media frenzy can only help her even more. She's hot stuff. The problem is that she and the performance have been so over-hyped and put on a pedestal where it can do no wrong - that it will bound to be a letdown and disappoint some voters. And we know voters vote for different reasons. I know man just let me enjoy the thought
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Post by Barbie on Jan 31, 2023 23:46:23 GMT
If Riseborough wins, it’ll be seen as a huge upset and an act of racism. That is NOT how I would see it btw so don’t come for me! I’m just talking about what I think will happen if she wins
Her win will always have an elephant in the room. Sjws online aren’t letting up. They legit think this was a white conspiracy to sabotage black actresses.
I’m already worried about how Cate winning will be perceived. If Riseborough wins, yeah it’s going to be a tainted victory. The optics would be horrendous
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Post by countjohn on Feb 1, 2023 1:52:56 GMT
There's absolutely no reason she should have had her nomination revoked for doing the same thing every other nominee did, only on a much smaller scale since she was doing it on her own and not with the help of an entire Hollywood studio. The only reason anyone's complaining about this is because you didn't like the result. It would actually be better and have more integrity if all Oscar campaigns were like hers, starting later and just the actor campaigning instead of these huge Weinstein style PR machines turning it into an "industry"
It's not going to happen since I'd imagine she barely got in as the 5 but it would be hilarious if she won at this point.
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Post by countjohn on Feb 1, 2023 1:58:57 GMT
Still upset that this somehow didn't work... If Viola Davis wants to get nominated next time she needs to take notes
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Post by ThisIsNotAnID on Feb 1, 2023 2:09:33 GMT
If Riseborough wins, it’ll be seen as a huge upset and an act of racism. That is NOT how I would see it btw so don’t come for me! I’m just talking about what I think will happen if she wins Her win will always have an elephant in the room. Sjws online aren’t letting up. They legit think this was a white conspiracy to sabotage black actresses. I’m already worried about how Cate winning will be perceived. If Riseborough wins, yeah it’s going to be a tainted victory. The optics would be horrendous Why do you make up scenarios to get mad at?
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Post by Barbie on Feb 1, 2023 2:15:09 GMT
If Riseborough wins, it’ll be seen as a huge upset and an act of racism. That is NOT how I would see it btw so don’t come for me! I’m just talking about what I think will happen if she wins Her win will always have an elephant in the room. Sjws online aren’t letting up. They legit think this was a white conspiracy to sabotage black actresses. I’m already worried about how Cate winning will be perceived. If Riseborough wins, yeah it’s going to be a tainted victory. The optics would be horrendous Why do you make up scenarios to get mad at? I don't need to make up scenarios. I don't know what bubble or echo chamber you're in, but on social media like Twitter and Instagram, this is what a lot of comments are expressing. Did you see the comments on actors' accounts where they congratulated Riseborough's nomination? They were a mess.
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Post by filmnoir on Feb 1, 2023 2:28:02 GMT
Why do you make up scenarios to get mad at? I don't need to make up scenarios. I don't know what bubble or echo chamber you're in, but on social media like Twitter and Instagram, this is what a lot of comments are expressing. Did you see the comments on actors' accounts where they congratulated Riseborough's nomination? They were a mess.
These people are always upset at something. Last year, it was Lady Gaga getting snubbed. Likewise when J-Lo got snubbed - pulling the race card. If it wasn't this, they would be complaining about something else.
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Post by Barbie on Feb 1, 2023 2:36:04 GMT
I don't need to make up scenarios. I don't know what bubble or echo chamber you're in, but on social media like Twitter and Instagram, this is what a lot of comments are expressing. Did you see the comments on actors' accounts where they congratulated Riseborough's nomination? They were a mess.
These people are always upset at something. Last year, it was Lady Gaga getting snubbed. Likewise when J-Lo got snubbed - pulling the race card. If it wasn't this, they would be complaining about something else. huh, I had no idea they pulled the race card with JLo's snub. that's just...lol what a joke.
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Post by filmnoir on Feb 1, 2023 2:50:25 GMT
These people are always upset at something. Last year, it was Lady Gaga getting snubbed. Likewise when J-Lo got snubbed - pulling the race card. If it wasn't this, they would be complaining about something else. huh, I had no idea they pulled the race card with JLo's snub. that's just...lol what a joke. Yup, and they went after Laura Dern, accusing her of white privilege. When in reality, she has trained and worked as serious actress almost all her life. Whereas J-Lo has always been very limited as an actress. She is more concerned about her vanity. In Hustlers, it was all about how she looked - the hair, make-up, clothes.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 1, 2023 2:51:35 GMT
Marc Maron's Jan 12th WTF Episode with Riseborough is a really good listen (starts at around 12 minutes). Find it on Apple or Spotify if you want to skim it but it's good front-to-back. One of his best interviews. I can't believe I never knew she was from Northern England. She mentions at one point she's never played anything with her own voice or physicality, which is so interesting. Hearing her in this context (esp. because Maron's such a good, loose conversationalist) is like discovering her for the first time.
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 1, 2023 5:54:08 GMT
Even if her nomination had been rescinded, this chain of events is the best thing that could ever happen to Riseborough's career. She went from a (mostly) no name indie character actress to the talk of the town.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Feb 1, 2023 8:59:36 GMT
If Riseborough wins, it’ll be seen as a huge upset and an act of racism. That is NOT how I would see it btw so don’t come for me! I’m just talking about what I think will happen if she wins Her win will always have an elephant in the room. Sjws online aren’t letting up. They legit think this was a white conspiracy to sabotage black actresses. I’m already worried about how Cate winning will be perceived. If Riseborough wins, yeah it’s going to be a tainted victory. The optics would be horrendous That could all swing in Michelle Yeoh's favor as the first Asian to win Best Actress. For many years now Blanchett has been seen as the successor to Streep's GOAT crown, I think her winning her third will just keep reinforcing that narrative.
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Post by filmnoir on Feb 1, 2023 15:51:36 GMT
Even if her nomination had been rescinded, this chain of events is the best thing that could ever happen to Riseborough's career. She went from a (mostly) no name indie character actress to the talk of the town. That kind of meteoric rise and hype is very hard to live up too. It's a brutal industry - here today, gone tomorrow. Time will tell whether she gets nominated beyond this performance - or will it be a one hit wonder.
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