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Post by mrimpossible on Jan 11, 2022 3:09:55 GMT
speaking for myself, I'd just be very disappointed if Being the Ricardos won anything. I'm fine with Kidman being nominated, hell she's overdue for some AMPAS recognition and she's easily the best thing about it, but as for a win, no thanks  No more recognition for mediocre Sorkin films. What did you think of Nina Arianda as Vivian? I thought she was great as well. |
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Post by countjohn on Jan 11, 2022 5:34:04 GMT
speaking for myself, I'd just be very disappointed if Being the Ricardos won anything. I'm fine with Kidman being nominated, hell she's overdue for some AMPAS recognition and she's easily the best thing about it, but as for a win, no thanks No more recognition for mediocre Sorkin films. What's annoying about this is that Steve Jobs got snubbed for BP/screenplay nods it 100% deserved and then Trial of the Chicago 7 gets nods for both when it was easily the worst feature in his career up to that point. |
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Post by mhynson27 on Jan 11, 2022 6:02:25 GMT
speaking for myself, I'd just be very disappointed if Being the Ricardos won anything. I'm fine with Kidman being nominated, hell she's overdue for some AMPAS recognition and she's easily the best thing about it, but as for a win, no thanks No more recognition for mediocre Sorkin films. What's annoying about this is that Steve Jobs got snubbed for BP/screenplay nods it 100% deserved and then Trial of the Chicago 7 gets nods for both when it was easily the worst feature in his career up to that point. I always forget that it missed screenplay. That's ridiculous. |
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Post by Brother Fease on Jan 11, 2022 12:37:41 GMT
Stewart's chances took a slight hit. She's definitely getting nominated, but it is pretty clear that Kidman is the front-runner to win.
Just remember that Frances McDormand and Halle Berry are the only Best Actress winners not to win the Globe this century. I checked the winners in the 90s, 80s, and 70s, and only found 5 exceptions.
Honestly, I think we need Stewart's film to do better than simply picking up technical nominations. Writing, Picture, and Director consideration would increase her odds.
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Post by mhynson27 on Jan 11, 2022 13:12:41 GMT
Stewart's chances took a slight hit. She's definitely getting nominated, but it is pretty clear that Kidman is the front-runner to win. Just remember that Frances McDormand and Halle Berry are the only Best Actress winners not to win the Globe this century. I checked the winners in the 90s, 80s, and 70s, and only found 5 exceptions. Honestly, I think we need Stewart's film to do better than simply picking up technical nominations. Writing, Picture, and Director consideration would increase her odds. Just like it was pretty clear that Belfast was winning more than just Screenplay?  I kid of course, but 'Book it' is going to live rent free in my head for a while. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 11, 2022 13:38:26 GMT
I don't think Kidman is "the front runner to win" exactly off the Globe win...... unless Stewart loses BAFTA (to anyone, Colman I assume?) .......like does anyone think even if Kidman has won the Globe AND she wins SAG (entirely possible) but Stewart wins BAFTA that the GG (this year?!?) and SAG trumps BAFTA for that actress field?
I dunno....I mean....... I'd call Smith the frontrunner for Actor with GG & SAG win - the exact same scenario (he NEEDS SAG because he, like Kidman won't win BAFTA I reckon) but Actress is weirder and harder to read in terms of that field.....the only difference is Kidman has one already.......
If people think Stewart can win BAFTA and not be the frontrunner to win on Oscar night....... that's discounting a pretty big voting segment block......in both of the big races ......do people think Stewart is more likely to lose BAFTA than Kidman is to lose SAG?.....
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Post by flasuss on Jan 11, 2022 13:39:26 GMT
Again, people insisting the Globes decided anything in a year where they haven't even been televised or had a single star attending, even via Zoom. Jesus.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 11, 2022 14:44:55 GMT
imagine hearing MJ Rodriguez's speech. The first trans woman to win a GG and no one gets to hear her speech because it wasn't televised. If the HFPA is trying to punish the boycotters with these picks, I'd say they succeeded. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 14:47:28 GMT
I don't think Kidman is "the front runner to win" exactly off the Globe win...... unless Stewart loses BAFTA (to anyone, Colman I assume?) Who knows if Stewart and Colman even get nominated at BAFTA thanks to their weird-ass new system... I don't think I ever would have predicted Kidman in their lineup, even in a normal year. |
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Post by JangoB on Jan 11, 2022 15:12:15 GMT
Yeah, declaring Kidman a clear frontrunner after the Globe win is nuts but I really do think she's got an amazing shot at winning SAG (if she's nominated which is damn likely). They love her but she hasn't won a movie SAG yet and this year seems like a great opportunity for them to amend that. And SAG uses those opportunities quite often.
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Post by stabcaesar on Jan 11, 2022 15:28:29 GMT
I don't think Kidman is "the front runner to win" exactly off the Globe win...... unless Stewart loses BAFTA (to anyone, Colman I assume?) Who knows if Stewart and Colman even get nominated at BAFTA thanks to their weird-ass new system... I don't think I ever would have predicted Kidman in their lineup, even in a normal year. They haven't changed it back? |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 11, 2022 15:30:59 GMT
I don't think Kidman is "the front runner to win" exactly off the Globe win...... unless Stewart loses BAFTA (to anyone, Colman I assume?) Who knows if Stewart and Colman even get nominated at BAFTA thanks to their weird-ass new system... I don't think I ever would have predicted Kidman in their lineup, even in a normal year..........and yet I'd bet everything in my 401K (um) on Stewart, Colman and Joanna Scanlan all being nodded ..........what am I going to live on Tyler, I have substantial overhead and live a high maintenace lifestyle!  |
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Post by filmnoir on Jan 11, 2022 15:48:49 GMT
I don't think Kidman is "the front runner to win" exactly off the Globe win...... unless Stewart loses BAFTA (to anyone, Colman I assume?) .......like does anyone think even if Kidman has won the Globe AND she wins SAG (entirely possible) but Stewart wins BAFTA that the GG (this year?!?) and SAG trumps BAFTA for that actress field? I dunno....I mean....... I'd call Smith the frontrunner for Actor with GG & SAG win - the exact same scenario (he NEEDS SAG because he, like Kidman won't win BAFTA I reckon) but Actress is weirder and harder to read in terms of that field.....the only difference is Kidman has one already....... If people think Stewart can win BAFTA and not be the frontrunner to win on Oscar night....... that's discounting a pretty big voting segment block......in both of the big races ...... do people think Stewart is more likely to lose BAFTA than Kidman is to lose SAG?..... Kidman has won BAFTA before and has won SAG for TV. McDormand and Hopkins won with just BAFTA. But both were in high profile Best Picture nominees.
I don't expect that with Being the Ricardos or Spencer, but "Lucy" is more apt to get an above the line nod for Screenplay for Sorkin. And Lucy is royalty - of Hollywood - and there are older Oscar voters who likely knew her.
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Post by filmnoir on Jan 11, 2022 17:10:41 GMT
Again, people insisting the Globes decided anything in a year where they haven't even been televised or had a single star attending, even via Zoom. Jesus. So if Kristen Stewart had won - you're saying it would have meant nothing? What about the wins for Will Smith and Adriana DeBose?
People here are going after Kidman because she is now seen as a threat. If not, she would have been ignored like Rachel Zegler.
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Post by flasuss on Jan 11, 2022 17:22:46 GMT
Again, people insisting the Globes decided anything in a year where they haven't even been televised or had a single star attending, even via Zoom. Jesus. So if Kristen Stewart had won - you're saying it would have meant nothing? What about the wins for Will Smith and Adriana DeBose?
Yes, exactly. The Globes were already getting less and less relevant over the years, and now the reason for any relevance to continue- show appearing on TV as first of the season, opportunity for celebrities to appear and make speeches to sway the voters- are gone. |
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Post by filmnoir on Jan 11, 2022 17:44:36 GMT
So if Kristen Stewart had won - you're saying it would have meant nothing? What about the wins for Will Smith and Adriana DeBose?
Yes, exactly. The Globes were already getting less and less relevant over the years, and now the reason for any relevance to continue- show appearing on TV as first of the season, opportunity for celebrities to appear and make speeches to sway the voters- are gone. It's still a precursor for the industry - and you always want to win - than not. It gives a newcomer like DeBose a boost. I also think if Smith hadn't won, he would have been in trouble.
There was no show the year of the Writer's Strike, when Marion Cotillard won. She was a popular French actress - who was unknown to American audiences. The Globe was one of the first industry awards and help put her name out in the public.
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Post by flasuss on Jan 11, 2022 18:35:20 GMT
Yes, exactly. The Globes were already getting less and less relevant over the years, and now the reason for any relevance to continue- show appearing on TV as first of the season, opportunity for celebrities to appear and make speeches to sway the voters- are gone. It's still a precursor for the industry - and you always want to win - than not. It gives a newcomer like DeBose a boost. I also think if Smith hadn't won, he would have been in trouble.
There was no show the year of the Writer's Strike, when Marion Cotillard won. She was a popular French actress - who was unknown to American audiences. The Globe was one of the first industry awards and help put her name out in the public.
No, Will Smith would not be in trouble, because the Globe doesn't matter in the slightest for his chances in the industry. And in 2008, the Globes were much more relevant...and still Cotillard's win there made little to no difference- it was the BAFTA win over Julie Christie that was her big moment. |
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Post by filmnoir on Jan 11, 2022 18:42:52 GMT
It's still a precursor for the industry - and you always want to win - than not. It gives a newcomer like DeBose a boost. I also think if Smith hadn't won, he would have been in trouble.
There was no show the year of the Writer's Strike, when Marion Cotillard won. She was a popular French actress - who was unknown to American audiences. The Globe was one of the first industry awards and help put her name out in the public.
No, Will Smith would not be in trouble, because the Globe doesn't matter in the slightest for his chances in the industry. And in 2008, the Globes were much more relevant...and still Cotillard's win there made little to no difference- it was the BAFTA win over Julie Christie that was her big moment. If the Globes means nothing as you claim - why do you spend your time commenting, giving it attention. Why would you even care??? |
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Post by Brother Fease on Jan 11, 2022 22:18:49 GMT
Stewart's chances took a slight hit. She's definitely getting nominated, but it is pretty clear that Kidman is the front-runner to win. Just remember that Frances McDormand and Halle Berry are the only Best Actress winners not to win the Globe this century. I checked the winners in the 90s, 80s, and 70s, and only found 5 exceptions. Honestly, I think we need Stewart's film to do better than simply picking up technical nominations. Writing, Picture, and Director consideration would increase her odds. Just like it was pretty clear that Belfast was winning more than just Screenplay?  I kid of course, but 'Book it' is going to live rent free in my head for a while. I could easily wiggle my way out of this by pointing out that, I never said "just the globes". :-) lol.
But all kidding aside (or Kidman aside), I think Kidman is the frontrunner. This is the type of performance the Academy loves to honor. Just a couple of years ago, we had Judy and Zellwegger.
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Post by mhynson27 on Jan 11, 2022 23:31:11 GMT
I don't think Kidman is "the front runner to win" exactly off the Globe win...... unless Stewart loses BAFTA (to anyone, Colman I assume?) Who knows if Stewart and Colman even get nominated at BAFTA thanks to their weird-ass new system... I don't think I ever would have predicted Kidman in their lineup, even in a normal year. I actually think the new system might help those two. They could very well be the Top 2 that gets automatically nominated, before the other 4 get picked by a jury. |
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Post by mhynson27 on Jan 22, 2022 23:14:52 GMT
I swear this and your blind following of Gold Derby are always your only 2 arguments. Yet you claim that Debose is definitely winning SAG and that Moreno won't even be nominated.
You don't know any of that. NOTHING is definite at this point.
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