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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 15:51:18 GMT
pupdurcs - I totally get what you're saying, but without the benefit of a red carpet and/or being televised, I'm just not sure the Globes mean much more than a regional critics' association this year. Kidman is a huge star who pulled an upset victory over the presumed favorite - imagine the press attention this would have received had she been able to give a speech.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 10, 2022 15:52:06 GMT
It looks like the only ones here who actually think Kidman's win means she is likely winning the Oscar, are Nicole stans.
The bitterness is more with Kristen Stewart's stans, who were convinced she was going to sweep. But she always going to have a harder time with the industry awards.
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Post by stephen on Jan 10, 2022 15:54:02 GMT
I think we also have to treat Kidman winning here as general favoritism within the awards body (this is her fifth win with them), same as Viola winning SAG last year. Some people are just favorites for certain awards bodies. It's definitely a notch in the belt but to declare her the frontrunner right now is specious, especially if the rumors about Neon not deigning to send HFPA voters screeners of Spencer are true (to say nothing of that blind item posted above). What it does show is vulnerability for Chastain, who is one of the only two nominees to actively acknowledge the Globes (guess who the other one was). Now if Kidman can follow up a Globe win with a SAG victory, that's a deadly combo. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was one of those categories where a different person wins every precursor like last year. Very possible. I think we'll see Stewart win Critics' Choice a la Mulligan. SAG, well, it honestly depends because the whole year is kind of in flux, but I'm getting a sneaking feeling Gaga could do it just by virtue of the fact her film is the highest performing and the introduction of influencers into the voting mix feels like it would help her (assuming she even gets nodded in the first place), and BAFTA could opt for hometown advantage for Colman or even a left-field choice like Joanna Scanlan. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 16:02:57 GMT
Out of genuine curiosity, who here is "bitter" about Kidman's win?
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 10, 2022 16:08:23 GMT
pupdurcs - I totally get what you're saying, but without the benefit of a red carpet and/or being televised, I'm just not sure the Globes mean much more than a regional critics' association this year. Kidman is a huge star who pulled an upset victory over the presumed favorite - imagine the press attention this would have received had she been able to give a speech. Sure, a red carpet and televised speech would have helped a lot, but we are in a new wave of a pandemic. A lot of that stuff is being cancelled /postponed left and right (like the Critics Choice), so that is why I feel like the Globes got lucky. Like I said, the results are still trending worldwide and all the big media outlets are still covering the winners like they would in a normal year. It's in all the trades and mainstream outlets. What matters for people like Kidman (and Will Smith and all the winners ) is that the industry and voters will know they won through that huge wave of press coverage. It's way bigger than any critics event in terms of attention and coverage. I honestly did not think a Globes Twitter ceremony would get this kind of media attention. They are still powerful as fuck. |
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Post by filmnoir on Jan 10, 2022 16:08:32 GMT
pupdurcs - I totally get what you're saying, but without the benefit of a red carpet and/or being televised, I'm just not sure the Globes mean much more than a regional critics' association this year. Kidman is a huge star who pulled an upset victory over the presumed favorite - imagine the press attention this would have received had she been able to give a speech. I don't think Kidman pulled an upset. She was always in the conversation.
So, who was the presumed favorite? Kristen Stewart? Because she won a bunch of regional critics awards?
We all know the critics awards don't always translate to the industry. If they did, Cumberbatch would have won over Smith.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 16:11:22 GMT
pupdurcs - Very fair points concerning Omicron and events be postponed/cancelled. I was just thinking this could have been a "Glenn Close winning for The Wife over Lady Gaga"-type moment for Kidman had this been a normal year. Still curious as to who is "bitter"?
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Post by filmnoir on Jan 10, 2022 17:00:31 GMT
I think we also have to treat Kidman winning here as general favoritism within the awards body (this is her fifth win with them), same as Viola winning SAG last year. Some people are just favorites for certain awards bodies. It's definitely a notch in the belt but to declare her the frontrunner right now is specious, especially if the rumors about Neon not deigning to send HFPA voters screeners of Spencer are true (to say nothing of that blind item posted above). What it does show is vulnerability for Chastain, who is one of the only two nominees to actively acknowledge the Globes (guess who the other one was). Now if Kidman can follow up a Globe win with a SAG victory, that's a deadly combo. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was one of those categories where a different person wins every precursor like last year. Kidman didn't pull an upset like Day last year. Playing an industry icon like Lucy - was always going to play better - with the industry. Her film is also more apt to get an above the line nod for Screenplay because of Sorkin - than Spencer or Tammy Faye. All she needs is SAG (which she has never won for Film) or BAFTA (which she won for The Hours). |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 10, 2022 17:20:07 GMT
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Post by avnermoriarti on Jan 10, 2022 18:09:07 GMT
Eh... that woman thinks she's the master behind voters. What did she expect to happen in the middle of omicron ? She's just bitter critics choice didn't happen. As pupdurc said globes are still trending worldwide, let's see if sag can perform equally. Also, she's not saying anything new, guilds are always the better prognosticators... |
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Post by wattsnew on Jan 10, 2022 19:10:01 GMT
so Nicole bribed her way to winning? Her shamelessness has no bounds! |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 10, 2022 19:16:40 GMT
so Nicole bribed her way to winning? Her shamelessness has no bounds! Even if this item is about her, and it easily could be about several actresses, it doesn’t say anything about bribes. |
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Post by wattsnew on Jan 10, 2022 19:18:13 GMT
so Nicole bribed her way to winning? Her shamelessness has no bounds! Even if this item is about her, and it easily could be about several actresses, it doesn’t say anything about bribes. I’m just reading between the lines |
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 10, 2022 19:37:25 GMT
pupdurcs - Still curious as to who is "bitter"? LOL. Juse read the thread. You don't need me to point out the culprits, but why not... myhynson27 ...been pimping Stewart as 100% to win Oscar all season. Now looks like a very weak frontrunner and he's clearly not taking it well. Posts "blind item" from some rumor site suggesting a big star (ie Kidman) may have won because she campaigned with Globe members to discredit her win and now crying about Kidman stans thinking she might be capable of winning the Oscar. Kidman is a 6 time Globe winner. Whether she campaigning with them is fucking irrelevant, because they love her and have for decades! And since when is campaigning not allowed in Oscar season?That's how this shit works. The likes of Gaga and Chastain would almost certainly have been doing the same thing. Plus, it's a FUCKING BLIND ITEM. wattsnew- Hates Kidman with passion of a burning sun, so "bitter" is an understatement . Now taking the baton from myhynson27 about "bribing" the Globes  RiverleavesElmius Hates me with passion of burning sun (hahaha!) and knows I'm a big Kidman fan, so ranting like a loon about it (and me, without naming me directly) because I made him look silly a couple of times. There are more, but that will do. It's pathetic, imho. But it is what it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 19:45:00 GMT
pupdurcs - I just wanted to make sure you weren't referring to me.  I do love Kidman (as you can see here, I listed her among my 15 favorite actresses last year) and while I prefer Stewart's performance this year, I certainly wouldn't mind Kidman having two Best Actress Oscars.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 10, 2022 19:50:29 GMT
pupdurcs - I just wanted to make sure you weren't referring to me. I do love Kidman (as you can see here, I listed her among my 15 favorite actresses last year) and while I prefer Stewart's performance this year, I certainly wouldn't mind Kidman having two Best Actress Oscars. No worries. I definitely wasn't talking about you  . Or even some other posters who weren't big fans of her win or performance. The bitter ones are very obvious. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 19:59:17 GMT
MJ Rodriguez:
I'm getting the sense that the actors wanted it to still happen... I have no doubt that the winners are getting congratulated privately by their peers in the industry. It's a shame Rodriguez's historic win could not have been seen more widely.
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Post by SZilla on Jan 10, 2022 20:01:39 GMT
Had no idea Sarah Snook and Samantha Mathis were not the same person. I know there's a bit of an age difference there but I just figured Mathis was looking really good for her age (she still does, in fact, despite this).
I was rooting for Lee Jung-jae but as someone who hasn't seen any of the other nominees in his category, I can't be too upset. It's nice he was nominated. O Yeong-su getting a win is pretty cool.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 20:07:58 GMT
Oh, and 5-time Golden Globe winner Kate Winslet. That's all.  |
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Post by mhynson27 on Jan 10, 2022 22:48:31 GMT
pupdurcsHahahahaha, I'm not bitter. Never said there was only validity to the blind item, and definitely didn't implicate bribes were involved. Simply posted something I saw on another board to generate some discussion. Yes I've been predicting Stewart since Day 1, and I still am, but I'm not that invested yet considering I haven't even seen any of the contending performances except for like Haim and McDormand. Kidman winning makes things exciting, I'm always down for an up in the air race. And yes, I didn't realise that mentioning the fact that most people who aren't Kidman stans still aren't predicting a Kidman win counts as 'crying' now. Take the W and move on to more civil discussion, no need to try and start your 1000th flame war.
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Post by mhynson27 on Jan 10, 2022 22:50:21 GMT
It looks like the only ones here who actually think Kidman's win means she is likely winning the Oscar, are Nicole stans. But if there is negative impact to winning the Globe, that would apply to ALL the Globe winners - including Debose, whom you were stanning.
The bitterness is more with Kristen Stewart's stans, who were convinced she was going to sweep. But she always going to have a harder time with the industry awards.
a) Never once have I mentioned that winning the Globe is a negative b) When was I ever stanning for DeBose??? I haven't even seen WSS yet. I guess making a sensible prediction counts as stanning now. |
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Post by filmnoir on Jan 10, 2022 23:25:50 GMT
But if there is negative impact to winning the Globe, that would apply to ALL the Globe winners - including Debose, whom you were stanning.
The bitterness is more with Kristen Stewart's stans, who were convinced she was going to sweep. But she always going to have a harder time with the industry awards.
a) Never once have I mentioned that winning the Globe is a negative b) When was I ever stanning for DeBose??? I haven't even seen WSS story yet. I guess making a sensible prediction counts as stanning now. a) you dismissed Kidman's GG win as meaning nothing. Would that applied if Kristen Stewart had won?
b) because of her GG win, you claim that Debose is definitely winning SAG and that Moreno won't even be nominated.
Long before any critics awards, you stan that Stewart was a lock, game over, done.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 10, 2022 23:44:18 GMT
pupdurcs Hahahahaha, I'm not bitter. Never said there was only validity to the blind item, and definitely didn't implicate bribes were involved. Simply posted something I saw on another board to generate some discussion. Yes I've been predicting Stewart since Day 1, and I still am, but I'm not that invested yet considering I haven't even seen any of the contending performances except for like Haim and McDormand. Kidman winning makes things exciting, I'm always down for an up in the air race. And yes, I didn't realise that mentioning the fact that most people who aren't Kidman stans still aren't predicting a Kidman win counts as 'crying' now. Take the W and move on to more civil discussion, no need to try and start your 1000th flame war. I said what I said. |
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Post by JangoB on Jan 11, 2022 0:33:17 GMT
We come and we go
That's a thing that I keep
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 11, 2022 1:22:08 GMT
speaking for myself, I'd just be very disappointed if Being the Ricardos won anything. I'm fine with Kidman being nominated, hell she's overdue for some AMPAS recognition and she's easily the best thing about it, but as for a win, no thanks  No more recognition for mediocre Sorkin films. |
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I do love Kidman (as you can see 
. Or even some other posters who weren't big fans of her win or performance. The bitter ones are very obvious. 
No more recognition for mediocre Sorkin films.
