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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Nov 7, 2023 15:22:35 GMT
Ridley's owed us a Western, and knowing that he was circling Blood Meridian in the mid-2000s, I've been wanting him to play in that sandbox. I don't think he would've been the right pick for that project, but I would be very interested to see him tackle Zahler's work. Wouldn't you say he already did (at least tangentially) with Thelma & Louise?But yes, he definitely seems a perfect fit for a true Western. Know this wasn’t directed at me, but personally I wouldn’t consider Thelma & Louise to qualify.
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Post by stephen on Nov 7, 2023 15:29:48 GMT
Agree with Ridley on this one. Don't care if they're using French accents or whatever else nerds are complaining about. I just want a majestic historical epic in the David Lean Lawrence of Arabia, Doctor Zhivago style. Yeah, I don't need the characters speaking English with a French accent -- that'd be ludicrous. Amadeus did it best: if you're not going to film it in the original language, then have the actors use their natural voice and accent. Makes it feel more organic and more contemporary, so we're hooked. As far as historical accuracy goes, obviously I would want it to hew as close as possible, but I do understand changes would have to be made for dramatic license. The shot of Napoleon shelling the Great Pyramid for target practice is based on an apocryphal story, but how can you resist?
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 7, 2023 15:33:16 GMT
^ Damn, that's one of the best filmmaker profiles in forever. Funny, fascinating, quite emotional. Also can't wait for that snowy Western he's storyboarding! Wraiths of the Broken Land Hey I read and reviewed this one! Go figure...... Book: Wraiths of the Broken Land by S. Craig Zahler - An absolutely bat-shit Western that may resurrect or kill the genre entirely. Part Western-part Tarantino and not just in style but in sensibility. The problem is I don't know if Zahler will be able to pull this film off....but it will be something seeing him try unless he chickens out because this isn't a book, it's an original movie pitch meeting.
movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/post/300462
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Post by Mattsby on Nov 7, 2023 17:36:48 GMT
Also can't wait for that snowy Western he's storyboarding! Wraiths of the Broken Land Hey I read and reviewed this one! Go figure...... Book: Wraiths of the Broken Land by S. Craig Zahler - An absolutely bat-shit Western that may resurrect or kill the genre entirely. Part Western-part Tarantino and not just in style but in sensibility. The problem is I don't know if Zahler will be able to pull this film off....but it will be something seeing him try unless he chickens out because this isn't a book, it's an original movie pitch meeting.
movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/post/300462That opening paragraph will leave some shell-shocked.... .......I haven't read it but kinda want to! Zahler has that other one The Brigands of Rattleborge (the man can't be accused of boring titles) that Chan-wook was or is gonna do (btw Ridley's best producing work: Stoker !). This decade is a little Western slow... after the 2010s which was prob the best decade for the genre since the '70s? I think Kevin Costner's "event" movie next year is gonna make veteran filmmakers jealous... Spielberg keeps talking about wanting to make one.... at least we know that if Ridley says he will, he will.
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Post by stabcaesar on Nov 7, 2023 17:55:46 GMT
Agree with Ridley on this one. Don't care if they're using French accents or whatever else nerds are complaining about. I just want a majestic historical epic in the David Lean Lawrence of Arabia, Doctor Zhivago style. It's not really about the accent though. Phoenix just sounds too modern in the film imo. Vanessa Kirby less so.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Nov 7, 2023 18:37:51 GMT
The accent complaints are stupid to me. We have already abandoned reality by then speaking English anyways. Him speaking English in a French accent is no less stupid than any other accent. Who cares? Don’t care about how “modern” the voices sound either.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Nov 7, 2023 19:07:14 GMT
Accented English is usually the wrong way to go, agree with Ridley there, but English accents almost always sound more prestigious than American where English is the presumed default language. Brando arguably was an exception and Heston definitely was but they had a towering presence that transcended setting and period. Driver and Damon managed to do it in Last Duel too, surprisingly. Phoenix was massively out of place in Gladiator (I've seen the movie tons and have always felt that way) and he looks out of place here in the same way Harvey Keitel was out of place in Duellists. I can only envision Phoenix in American roles and mostly contemporary ones. Even his Freddie Quell felt weirdly out of time.
To be fair, Scott's probably not going for an old-fashioned Lean-esque historical epic and he never really has (but tbh that's another reason the movie looks kinda unappealing to me), so maybe Phoenix feels less out of place in context with Scott's vision and it's Scott who's... out of place.
We'll see. But Scott has always been wildly hit or miss.
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Post by Joaquim on Nov 9, 2023 1:00:48 GMT
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Nov 10, 2023 18:35:05 GMT
I don’t care what the Academy or critics thing this movie is going to fucking rule.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 14, 2023 20:09:21 GMT
New Scott interview: EXCLUSIVE: Ridley Scott unveils Napoleon today at a lavish world premiere in the 2,500-seat Salle Pleyel concert hall in Paris. He is 85 but seems ageless, and Scott is already plotting to quickly resume production on Gladiator, the second installment of his film that won five Oscars including Best Picture. He’s got 90 minutes of footage, fully edited, and needs that much more. He expects to be shooting within two weeks, and he’s already got his next movie slated for around March. Though he is keeping the details to himself, he acknowledged it’s period, with a script like perfectly distilled liquor, and two stars ready to join him in what he said is a bucket list project for him. deadline.com/2023/11/ridley-scott-napoleon-gladiator-2-joaquin-phoenix-interview-1235600742/
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 14, 2023 21:45:36 GMT
New Scott interview: EXCLUSIVE: Ridley Scott unveils Napoleon today at a lavish world premiere in the 2,500-seat Salle Pleyel concert hall in Paris. He is 85 but seems ageless, and Scott is already plotting to quickly resume production on Gladiator, the second installment of his film that won five Oscars including Best Picture. He’s got 90 minutes of footage, fully edited, and needs that much more. He expects to be shooting within two weeks, and he’s already got his next movie slated for around March. Though he is keeping the details to himself, he acknowledged it’s period, with a script like perfectly distilled liquor, and two stars ready to join him in what he said is a bucket list project for him. deadline.com/2023/11/ridley-scott-napoleon-gladiator-2-joaquin-phoenix-interview-1235600742/Embargo lifts at 7 pm EST - if our more social media savvy peeps want to find any reactions I'm sure they'll be out there in the meantime
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Post by stephen on Nov 15, 2023 0:10:51 GMT
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Post by futuretrunks on Nov 15, 2023 0:27:27 GMT
Sounds like a mixed bag mess with Joaquin doing a wacky mischaracterization and a very good Kirby.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 15, 2023 0:49:41 GMT
Noticeable difference from the UK critics vs. US........the general tone of the reviews seems very "Film Festival"-ish tbh......hmmmmmmm.....should be fun to see how this plays out
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Nov 15, 2023 2:22:46 GMT
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Post by finniussnrub on Nov 15, 2023 2:36:45 GMT
Seems to be falling between The Last Duel and House of Gucci in terms of reception.
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Post by countjohn on Nov 15, 2023 3:58:35 GMT
Glad this is getting a good response so far. Was thinking it might be a Kingdom of Heaven situation where it gets mixed reviews at first and everyone likes it in ten years.
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Post by futuretrunks on Nov 15, 2023 4:10:02 GMT
Meh. Kingdom of Heaven is good but hardly a great film even in its best form. Ridley truly may be washed and incapable of another Alien/Blade Runner/Thelma and Louise/Gladiator. I'd take A Good Year over everything since The Martian.
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Post by dazed on Nov 15, 2023 4:12:41 GMT
i’d put the last duel in top tier ridley. that movie is legitimately great.
this is getting better notices than i thought it would. makes me a bit more excited since the trailers weren’t really do anything for me.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 15, 2023 4:17:54 GMT
i’d put the last duel in top tier ridley. that movie is legitimately great. Truth
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Post by futuretrunks on Nov 15, 2023 4:30:41 GMT
I don't get that. The Last Duel was lousy to me; even Comer's performance, which seemed very promising in the trailer, was meh and totally hamstrung by the lameness of the film. Legitimately great my ass.
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Post by Pavan on Nov 15, 2023 5:31:56 GMT
I'd be happy if its on the level of The Last Duel. I'm not expecting another Gladiator from Ridley at this point.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 15, 2023 6:21:56 GMT
I'd be happy if its on the level of The Last Duel. I'm not expecting anothe Gladiator didn't even get great reviews when it opened either - in fact less than Napoleon atm (67 MC for Gladiator, 70 atm for Napoleon.......67 for The Last Duel) He's very much a guy to me where you just have to see it for yourself really ........although I know what you mean too - his commercial instincts are far less keen than they were in 2000 definitely
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Post by countjohn on Nov 15, 2023 18:38:27 GMT
Gladiator was a runaway commercial success though which is what powered it to BP. Not expecting that here but I hope it can get the whole truckload with noms.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 15, 2023 18:53:47 GMT
65% on RT now with 40 reviews. That's a steep drop from 78% like 12 hours ago.
The Last Duel by contrast ended with 85% on Rotten Tomatoes. And it did deserve that score, imho. It's release date and complete box office failure was the main thing that stopped it being a serious Best Picture. and Oscar contender across the board.
On it's current trajectory, Napoleon doesn't look like it's headed for Best Picture contention, though it's not impossible if AMPAS falls for the spectacle and pageantry. Maybe some techs and a supporting nod for Vanessa Kirby are it's best chances? But the RT score could conceivably fall into "Rotten" territory soon, which would not be a good look.
Phoenix's reviews are all over the place. Some are saying he's great, others are saying he's miscast and a drag to watch. So I don't know what to make of his Best Actor chances.
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