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Post by stephen on Oct 18, 2023 14:22:06 GMT
I'm stoked.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 18, 2023 16:46:06 GMT
I hope I love this but I don't get this trailer at all - War Pigs isn't fun in its incongruity it's just "off" here....Phoenix's clips are all verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry short when he talks - so it's hard to tell how off his vocalization is.....but the short clips make him sound like a dock worker on antidepressants ..............everything about this movie seems off prior to seeing it - from Ridley almost saying "yeah the short version will blow, but wait until you see my 9 hour cut" or whatever........ This is probably a masterpiece that just can't be broken down in the components we need movies broken down into these days.......it aso seems like a movie that you have to see for yourself because "buzz" could be wildly off for this.......there's nothing standard about how it feels or in the ice cold look of the picture which is in itself slightly odd (and like a painting, rather than in motion) So I guess that bad trailer did its job because I really look forward to seeing it
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 18, 2023 22:19:07 GMT
Btw when did that sort of "use of an ironic Pop song" in trailers start? I mean that's a tiresome thng (to me) but that's a fairly recent trick to use in trailers, right?
Marie Antoinette with the Gang of Four music may be a bigger influence than I thought (?) or was it being done in movies before that as well?
Just curious.......
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Post by countjohn on Oct 18, 2023 23:40:56 GMT
This looks majestic. Not sure where the bad buzz is coming from outside the lack of French accents which is a total "who cares" thing for me.
Don't really think War Pigs is "ironic" here either, that's what the song's about. Although I wish they'd just used the regular one instead of the regular "ambient movie trailer song" thing.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 19, 2023 0:21:08 GMT
This looks majestic. Not sure where the bad buzz is coming from outside the lack of French accents which is a total "who cares" thing for me. Don't really think War Pigs is "ironic" here either, that's what the song's about. Although I wish they'd just used the regular one instead of the regular "ambient movie trailer song" thing. I guess you could rather call it too on the nose maybe.............I meant ironic in that War Pigs is about generals that don't fight where Napoleon fought quite famously ........it's just that War Pigs is about a more modern world etc........ There is something to the use of a modern song over "old" events like that though ...........at one time trailers would just layer the score over the images not change the tone like that............I feel there had to be a trailer or movie that started the trend - Marie Antoinette could be both - but like I said, I'm not sure where that became a thing.........I know I had quite a negative reaction to it here in Kitbag though.........
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Oct 19, 2023 0:26:01 GMT
pacinoyes - Just off the top of my head, A Knight's Tale and Moulin Rouge! (both 2001) used modern music in period settings before Coppola, but I reckon she's been the most influential person in this regard.
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Post by Brother Fease on Oct 19, 2023 13:11:42 GMT
pacinoyes - Just off the top of my head, A Knight's Tale and Moulin Rouge! (both 2001) used modern music in period settings before Coppola, but I reckon she's been the most influential person in this regard. Gangs of New York too
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 19, 2023 13:32:26 GMT
pacinoyes - Just off the top of my head, A Knight's Tale and Moulin Rouge! (both 2001) used modern music in period settings before Coppola, but I reckon she's been the most influential person in this regard. Gangs of New York too ^ Is that the U2 song or are there others - I don't recall - the U2 song wouldn't count though - for me - since that's an original song iirc and what I'm looking for - is an already established song like the use of Gang of Four's music with Sofia Coppola which reconfgures the setting........... It isn't so much modern music in period setting but rather the contrast of an existing song that you have already established feelings for - and using that song that peple already know to provide a jarring contrast............ like War Pigs in the Kitbag trailer .........
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Post by stephen on Oct 19, 2023 13:36:42 GMT
^ Is that the U2 song or are there others - I don't recall - the U2 song wouldn't count though - for me - since that's an original song iirc and what I'm looking for - is an already established song like the use of Gang of Four's music with Sofia Coppola which reconfgures the setting........... It isn't so much modern music in period setting but rather the contrast of an existing song that you have already established feelings for - and using that song that peple already know to provide a jarring contrast............ like War Pigs in the Kitbag trailer ......... Gangs of New York uses a Peter Gabriel track ("Signal to Noise") in the opening brawl, but the rest of the film's music is primarily period-appropriate (albeit performed by contemporary artists).
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Post by Brother Fease on Oct 19, 2023 13:37:16 GMT
^ Is that the U2 song or are there others - I don't recall - the U2 song wouldn't count though - for me - since that's an original song iirc and what I'm looking for - is an already established song like the use of Gang of Four's music with Sofia Coppola which reconfgures the setting........... It isn't so much modern music in period setting but rather the contrast of an existing song that you have already established feelings for - and using that song that peple already know to provide a jarring contrast............ like War Pigs in the Kitbag trailer ......... I am referring to the opening battle song. Electric guitiars didnt occurr in the mid 1800s
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 19, 2023 13:40:40 GMT
^ Is that the U2 song or are there others - I don't recall - the U2 song wouldn't count though - for me - since that's an original song iirc and what I'm looking for - is an already established song like the use of Gang of Four's music with Sofia Coppola which reconfgures the setting........... It isn't so much modern music in period setting but rather the contrast of an existing song that you have already established feelings for - and using that song that peple already know to provide a jarring contrast............ like War Pigs in the Kitbag trailer ......... I am referring to the opening battle song. Electric guitiars didnt occurr in the mid 1800s Ok, thanx doesn't meet my criteria afaik (?) but it's nteresting anyway: "It isn't so much modern music in period setting but rather the contrast of an existing song that you have already established feelings for - and using that song that peple already know to provide a jarring contrast............ like War Pigs in the Kitbag trailer ........." ^
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 19, 2023 13:44:36 GMT
^ Is that the U2 song or are there others - I don't recall - the U2 song wouldn't count though - for me - since that's an original song iirc and what I'm looking for - is an already established song like the use of Gang of Four's music with Sofia Coppola which reconfgures the setting........... It isn't so much modern music in period setting but rather the contrast of an existing song that you have already established feelings for - and using that song that peple already know to provide a jarring contrast............ like War Pigs in the Kitbag trailer ......... Gangs of New York uses a Peter Gabriel track ("Signal to Noise") in the opening brawl, but the rest of the film's music is primarily period-appropriate (albeit performed by contemporary artists). Signal to Noise is closer to what I'm looking for although not quite since it hadn't been out long enough to develop an iconic element itself .........but it's closer.........now if he used Gaes Without Frontiers - THAT would be it
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Post by stephen on Oct 19, 2023 13:47:42 GMT
Gangs of New York uses a Peter Gabriel track ("Signal to Noise") in the opening brawl, but the rest of the film's music is primarily period-appropriate (albeit performed by contemporary artists). Signal to Noise is closer to what I'm looking for although not quite since it hadn't been out long enough to develop an iconic element itself .........but it's closer.........now if he used Gaes Without Frontiers - THAT would be it I don't really want to get lost in the weeds on this, because it is only a song selected for a trailer and it's become a trend to use a slowed-down cover of a popular song for trailers in the last decade or so, and it's unlikely Ridley Scott will be pulling a Coppola/Tarantino in using anachronistic music for his Napoleon biopic.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 19, 2023 13:55:14 GMT
Signal to Noise is closer to what I'm looking for although not quite since it hadn't been out long enough to develop an iconic element itself .........but it's closer.........now if he used Gaes Without Frontiers - THAT would be it I don't really want to get lost in the weeds on this, because it is only a song selected for a trailer and it's become a trend to use a slowed-down cover of a popular song for trailers in the last decade or so, and it's unlikely Ridley Scott will be pulling a Coppola/Tarantino in using anachronistic music for his Napoleon biopic. Yeah and as I said I think this may really be a case of good film / bad trailer imo .........I'm only talking about how the trailer sells the film here and I found it a poor choice..........I do agree with Tyler though in that even if this idea existed prior - Marie Antoinette seems to be the influential aesthetic much of the tme......
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Post by Brother Fease on Oct 19, 2023 16:38:26 GMT
Signal to Noise is closer to what I'm looking for although not quite since it hadn't been out long enough to develop an iconic element itself .........but it's closer.........now if he used Gaes Without Frontiers - THAT would be it I don't really want to get lost in the weeds on this, because it is only a song selected for a trailer and it's become a trend to use a slowed-down cover of a popular song for trailers in the last decade or so, and it's unlikely Ridley Scott will be pulling a Coppola/Tarantino in using anachronistic music for his Napoleon biopic. Agree. I am not sure why this is a big deal. It is not like Napoleon is going to bust out his electric guitar and go crowd surfing. Let me blunt here: the movie looks awesome / badass. I am very tempted to predict this as a serious Oscar contender.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 19, 2023 17:35:41 GMT
I don't really want to get lost in the weeds on this, because it is only a song selected for a trailer and it's become a trend to use a slowed-down cover of a popular song for trailers in the last decade or so, and it's unlikely Ridley Scott will be pulling a Coppola/Tarantino in using anachronistic music for his Napoleon biopic. Agree. I am not sure why this is a big deal. It is not like Napoleon is going to bust out his electric guitar and go crowd surfing. This is answered in this thread btw in response to stephen (recopied, below, in bold)........I don't want to hear bullshit if this is a great film and I love it - that pacinoyes said Kitbag sucked at first! ............. I merely said the trailer sucked. My posts were about the trailer - I didn't say "crowd surf" or that it was a "big deal".........Those words ^ were not uttered by me......not even close.......carry on........... ""Yeah and as I said I think this may really be a case of good film / bad trailer imo .........I'm only talking about how the trailer sells the film here and I found it a poor choice.........
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Post by stephen on Oct 19, 2023 17:43:16 GMT
Expected.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Oct 19, 2023 17:51:19 GMT
I feel like this will probably not do well with critics or the Academy but will kick a lot of ass and I will love it.
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Post by countjohn on Oct 28, 2023 6:16:37 GMT
Speaking of trailer music just now realized the "ambient cover" in the first trailer was Radiohead's "The National Anthem" ("everyone.....everyone around here.....everyone is no near...) which is also an extremely fitting choice. But the actual climax of the song with the horn section would have been so badass to war footage of cavalry trucking people, though.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 2, 2023 10:49:54 GMT
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Post by stephen on Nov 6, 2023 19:16:50 GMT
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Post by Mattsby on Nov 6, 2023 20:42:30 GMT
^ Damn, that's one of the best filmmaker profiles in forever. Funny, fascinating, quite emotional. Also can't wait for that snowy Western he's storyboarding! Wraiths of the Broken Land the project, stephen ?
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Post by stephen on Nov 6, 2023 20:54:16 GMT
^ Damn, that's one of the best filmmaker profiles in forever. Funny, fascinating, quite emotional. Also can't wait for that snowy Western he's storyboarding! Wraiths of the Broken Land the project, stephen ?Ridley's owed us a Western, and knowing that he was circling Blood Meridian in the mid-2000s, I've been wanting him to play in that sandbox. I don't think he would've been the right pick for that project, but I would be very interested to see him tackle Zahler's work.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Nov 6, 2023 21:31:39 GMT
^ Damn, that's one of the best filmmaker profiles in forever. Funny, fascinating, quite emotional. Also can't wait for that snowy Western he's storyboarding! Wraiths of the Broken Land the project, stephen ? Ridley's owed us a Western, and knowing that he was circling Blood Meridian in the mid-2000s, I've been wanting him to play in that sandbox. I don't think he would've been the right pick for that project, but I would be very interested to see him tackle Zahler's work. Wouldn't you say he already did (at least tangentially) with Thelma & Louise? But yes, he definitely seems a perfect fit for a true Western.
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Post by countjohn on Nov 7, 2023 2:53:42 GMT
Agree with Ridley on this one. Don't care if they're using French accents or whatever else nerds are complaining about. I just want a majestic historical epic in the David Lean Lawrence of Arabia, Doctor Zhivago style.
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