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Post by flasuss on Oct 3, 2022 12:23:01 GMT
Was enjoying this episode until the cop-out at the end, which makes zero sense I'm fine with it. I think it raises interesting implications for the future. I don't, seems to me increasingly likely they'll whitewash Rhaenyra and turn her side into the good guys, #feminism- that after spending the first 5 episodes hinting that Rhaenyra can turn bad, which is strange- I wouldn't be surprised if that was one of the reasons part of the staff left after the first season.
Not to mention the obvious stupidity of it- Laenor has a dragon that would follow him everywhere, and would leave his parents to grieve yet another child, while also depressing the kids he just claimed he loved.
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 3, 2022 17:47:10 GMT
I haven't seen the last episode, but apparently there is a lot of whitewash fan service. And that's wrong, we want to see bunrt all (except the children).-
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Post by DeepArcher on Oct 3, 2022 23:20:45 GMT
Yeeeeah ... even with the ending, I definitely didn't come away from that episode thinking Rhaenyra was even remotely being "whitewashed," lol.
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Post by Archie on Oct 3, 2022 23:47:52 GMT
Yeeeeah ... even with the ending, I definitely didn't come away from that episode thinking Rhaenyra was even remotely being "whitewashed," lol. Yeah, I don't understand this complaint at all. That entire ploy was such a shitty thing to do to Corlys and Rhaenys. Not to mention the innocent guard that got his neck snapped. How is this whitewashing?
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 4, 2022 6:01:19 GMT
what is this, How to Train Your Dragon?
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Post by franklin on Oct 4, 2022 8:08:27 GMT
This was HOTD's best episode yet.
I absolutely loved it.
Also, from now on i'm team Aemond.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 4, 2022 19:16:45 GMT
Losing patience. For every big moment in these episodes, I can't help but think how much more impactful they would've felt if the plot had anything in the way of buildup and character development. Like at all. After 7 episodes we still barely know most of these characters and yet we have them engaging in hugely significant plot moments and are expected to care. Late-season GoT was guilty of this but the Witcher series is sort of the crowning example of a current show that's all plot and no buildup and that's the least flattering comparison I can think of lol. Like imagine if we had the Red Wedding in Ep. 6 of the first season... that's the issue here. - Ep 3: an entire war was set-up and resolved in a single episode. - Ep 5: Ser Criston goes full berserk-mode in at a wedding after a single episode of character development. His 180 turn on Rhaenyra has less impact because we know practically nothing about him. - Ep 6: Two important characters are killed in a fire in the climax that had barely been introduced at all. This Larys guy looks pretty sleazy and interesting. Too bad the entire first season is almost done and we're now meeting him for the first time and know nothing about him. - Ep 7: The kids are fighting with each other and we've only had one damn episode to even tell these kids apart let alone care about their drama. This would've been great for a followup to a Season 2 premiere. - Ep 7: Laenor and his lover who we've never seen and who we've never seen *together* stage a violent confrontation to run off together and again, why do I care? I barely know them. It feels like the writers are constantly rushing to try to get to the good stuff, and when the good stuff comes it's never as satisfying as is should be because they skipped vital steps to get there. Writing 101. Why can't they just slow down and trust the world? These are interesting characters but the show isn't creating a space for us to organically be engaged with the vast majority of them. It's driving me crazy. best episode was still the premier. We've had some good eps since then but mostly it's been downhill. Archie was 100% right. First five eps should've been the first season.
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Post by Joaquim on Oct 5, 2022 11:59:09 GMT
Archie was 100% right. First five eps should've been the first season. Haven’t started watching yet but sounds like HBO making the same mistakes they made with Rome all those years back!
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Post by stephen on Oct 5, 2022 12:19:50 GMT
Now that I've gotten used to the time-jumps (I still wish they had fleshed them out but I appreciate that they recognize the pitfalls of letting a series like this run too long like the mothership show), I've really grooved onto the last two episodes. Olivia Cooke is giving a career-best performance and Emma D'Arcy is running away with things; I really can't wait to see how things shape up between them.
Paddy Considine... man, to see his descent into decrepitude over the last eight episodes is utterly heartbreaking. Considine's one of the most underrated talents and I am glad he's been granted the spotlight to showcase his potential. (Watch Journeyman if you haven't already!) Guy just wants to play with his models and not have to deal with his family's bullshit.
I also really love how the show adapted the Strong/Velaryon storyline. In the show it's incredibly apparent that Rhaenyra's sons are not Laenor's, whereas in the books it was a bit more subtle. But I love how the show twisted it by showing that Corlys knew that his grandsons weren't of his blood, but that it was the name that mattered. Really great way to play with the source material there. Also, Steve Toussaint and Eve Best are really crushing it; Best might low-key be the best performer on the series because she can say so much with a scowl and a glower, and Toussaint just exudes power and toxic pride from every pore in his portrayal.
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Post by Archie on Oct 5, 2022 15:50:47 GMT
Tommen_Saperstein Joaquim Unfortunately, the book barely covers the events leading up to the Dance. The show has actually expanded the story.
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Post by Archie on Oct 5, 2022 15:53:15 GMT
I really want to praise the cast here. Most of the actors have been absolutely exceptional. Still, I want more screentime for my boi Graham McTavish.
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Post by stephen on Oct 5, 2022 15:56:34 GMT
I really want to praise the cast here. Most of the actors have been absolutely exceptional. Still, I want more screentime for my boi Graham McTavish. God, McTavish is so good when he's on screen. The guy was just born to be in Westeros. My current top ten performances: 1a. Eve Best 1b. Paddy Considine (a veritable toss-up between the top two) 3. Steve Toussaint 4. Milly Alcock 5. Emma D'Arcy (fast rising, though) 6. Matthew Needham 7. Emily Carey 8. Olivia Cooke 9. Rhys Ifans 10. Graham McTavish
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 5, 2022 16:06:58 GMT
yeah I was gonna say, McTavish isn't even a character yet. And as much as I echo Stephen's feelings about Eve Best, I sure wish she had more screentime. A lot more. I know book didn't give them much to work with but that's patently obvious from the adaptation. The plot feels like an outline with gaps missing in between.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 5, 2022 16:19:23 GMT
Archie was 100% right. First five eps should've been the first season. Haven’t started watching yet but sounds like HBO making the same mistakes they made with Rome all those years back! member when the rome kids got kidnapped, and they jumped 10 years, and the kids didnt age, lol good times
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Post by Joaquim on Oct 5, 2022 17:06:06 GMT
Haven’t started watching yet but sounds like HBO making the same mistakes they made with Rome all those years back! member when the rome kids got kidnapped, and they jumped 10 years, and the kids didnt age, lol good times Octavian got older and everyone else stayed the same. Alright alright alright
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 5, 2022 17:29:28 GMT
member when the rome kids got kidnapped, and they jumped 10 years, and the kids didnt age, lol good times Octavian got older and everyone else stayed the same. Alright alright alright lol, yep, that's right
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Post by DeepArcher on Oct 6, 2022 3:24:44 GMT
I've seen a lot of complaints regarding the lack of characterization, rushed storytelling, etc. And honestly, I think I largely disagree with them. I mean, this isn't another Game of Thrones, and I personally don't want it to be - I haven't read the source material, but this is essentially an adaptation of a fictional history book, right? And that's exactly what it feels like to me. Just giving us the big moments, and let our imaginations fill in the gaps between. I'm fascinated by that approach to the story and, at least right now, it's working for me.
I by no means think this show is perfect or even particularly great as of right now (cinematography and lighting are a catastrophe; plenty of iffy dialogue; the pacing still feels all over the place, even with my perhaps generous read on the show; etc). But I do think a re-wiring of expectations might be in order for those expecting Game of Thrones again. So far it feels a lot less like its predecessor and more like, idk, I Claudius. And I'm really into that.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 6, 2022 6:59:25 GMT
Having character development and buildup is a low bar. If the goal was to have the show be a first draft plot outline with costumes and sets, they are succeeding.
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Post by stephen on Oct 6, 2022 13:24:04 GMT
I've seen a lot of complaints regarding the lack of characterization, rushed storytelling, etc. And honestly, I think I largely disagree with them. I mean, this isn't another Game of Thrones, and I personally don't want it to be - I haven't read the source material, but this is essentially an adaptation of a fictional history book, right? And that's exactly what it feels like to me. Just giving us the big moments, and let our imaginations fill in the gaps between. I'm fascinated by that approach to the story and, at least right now, it's working for me. I by no means think this show is perfect or even particularly great as of right now (cinematography and lighting are a catastrophe; plenty of iffy dialogue; the pacing still feels all over the place, even with my perhaps generous read on the show; etc). But I do think a re-wiring of expectations might be in order for those expecting Game of Thrones again. So far it feels a lot less like its predecessor and more like, idk, I Claudius. And I'm really into that. I really love the I, Claudius comparison, and it's really kinda cemented my feelings on the series now. Yes, I would love it if we were having to deal with these events stretched out for a more real-time exploration of characters and motivations, but the Dance of the Dragons spawns decades and I do not want a show where the creative team loses interest as it goes on. We saw that happen with D&D. But I feel like this being portrayed as more of an in-universe historical exploration of events fascinates me. It's a different beast than Game of Thrones, but I feel it's a wiser move overall.
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Post by Joaquim on Oct 8, 2022 15:38:52 GMT
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Post by stephen on Oct 8, 2022 20:23:41 GMT
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Post by franklin on Oct 9, 2022 13:32:11 GMT
Paddy Considine should win awards for his performance.
In the hands of so many lesser or just "good enough" actors Viserys would have been such a boring, bland, and passive role, instead he manages to imbue it with charisma, passion, humanity, and tragicity.
He elevates the character, and it becomes something else, kudos to him, i hope he gets nominated for Globes, SAG, and Emmys, and wins all of them.
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Post by Archie on Oct 10, 2022 2:23:01 GMT
Paddy fucking Considine, man.
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Post by Pavan on Oct 10, 2022 10:21:07 GMT
This episode belongs to Considine. Fantastic performance.
Btw why everyone names everyone Aegon lol
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Post by ibbi on Oct 10, 2022 11:43:21 GMT
Best death scene ever?
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