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Post by stephen on Oct 13, 2021 12:21:16 GMT
86% on RT now. Can't wait to see it tomorrow.
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Post by mhynson27 on Oct 13, 2021 13:04:40 GMT
86% on RT now. Can't wait to see it tomorrow. I think those horses can be officially let go of now.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Oct 13, 2021 14:26:57 GMT
Shame on Scrudpuppy for doubting Sir Ridley so much here, but this movie is happening! Oscars for all involved!
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Post by morton on Oct 13, 2021 18:57:55 GMT
86% on RT now. Can't wait to see it tomorrow. It looks like it might even go a little higher!!! Unfortunately it probably won't do that well at the box office, but I don't know that anything outside of known IPs and a few other things like Free Guy will. So I'm not sure it matters, it just depends on what it looks like if it happens. If Variety, The Hollywood Reporter, etc. all talk about how badly it bombed, it's probably not going to overcome that except maybe sound and a couple of other tech categories. However, if that doesn't happen, this could really surprise. I've seen the sound praised a lot. Then of course costumes, hair/makeup, and probably production design. Adapted Screenplay isn't nearly as strong as I thought it was earlier on, so I think it can still get in especially as all three names are very well known and the unconventional structure of it. Finally Comer and maybe Affleck. I don't know about Editing, Cinematography, or Directing. Those might be reaching, but 5 or more nominations actually seems doable at this time, imo, what a huge difference from even just a week ago.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 16, 2021 18:33:12 GMT
Yeah, after the type of box office bombing this weekend that makes Dear Evan Hansen look like Avengers: Endgame, I think those horses need to be officially held again in regards to it's Oscar prospects, which are back to being pretty slim again. A huge budget historical epic that released in October that will barely make 5 million bucks opening weekend is not going to be anyone's priority to vote for a BP nod.
Movies are making money again at the Box Office, so even the pandemic excuse won't really stand up. It's a box office disaster. Not quite sure what went wrong for it to open this this badly, considering it had a pretty marketable and starry cast, and as people have noted, there's been an uptick in positive reviews since it's initially underwhelming festival debuts.
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Post by quetee on Oct 16, 2021 18:45:45 GMT
Yeah, after the type of box office bombing this weekend that makes Dear Evan Hansen look like Avengers: Endgame, I think those horses need to be officially held again in regards to it's Oscar prospects. A huge budget historical epic that released in October that will barely make 5 million bucks opening weekend is not going to be anyone's priority to vote for a BP nod. Movies are making money again at the Box Office, so even the pandemic excuse won't really stand up. It's a box office disaster. Not quite sure what went this badly, considering it had a pretty marketable and starry cast, and as people have noted, there's been an uptick in positive reviews since it's initially underwhelming festival debuts. Maybe it's the genre. I'm pretty sure HOG will not bomb.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 16, 2021 19:02:12 GMT
Yeah, after the type of box office bombing this weekend that makes Dear Evan Hansen look like Avengers: Endgame, I think those horses need to be officially held again in regards to it's Oscar prospects. A huge budget historical epic that released in October that will barely make 5 million bucks opening weekend is not going to be anyone's priority to vote for a BP nod. Movies are making money again at the Box Office, so even the pandemic excuse won't really stand up. It's a box office disaster. Not quite sure what went this badly, considering it had a pretty marketable and starry cast, and as people have noted, there's been an uptick in positive reviews since it's initially underwhelming festival debuts. Maybe it's the genre. I'm pretty sure HOG will not bomb. It's not the genre. These historical epics are very expensive. They would not keep making them if they couldn't turn a profit or make a tidy sum at the Box office. It's hard to pinpoint the exact reason for this bombing so hard. Maybe audiences no longer care for Ridley Scott’s aesthetic when it comes to historical epic type films. Exodus: Gods And Kings bombed in the US as well, though it had far worse reviews. Might not be a good omen for Kitbag if that is the case. I dunno what else to blame. Bad marketing? You could also argue that it may be an audience turn-off that the film's two biggest stars ( Damon and Affleck) are not really associated with films of this genre, era or even continent. It may be a big stretch for audiences to want to see Matt 'n Ben pretend to be medieval Knight's I feel like House Of Gucci should do fine box office wise (unless reviews are Razzie level bad). More modern story and characters for audiences to relate to, and Gaga stans aren't to be underestimated and might make all the difference.
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Post by franklin on Oct 17, 2021 9:15:17 GMT
I think Fox mishandled this movie, they didn't have much faith in it and decided to not market it that much. And they didn't predict the increasing critical acclaim given by this second wave of reviews. It's the studio's fault.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 17, 2021 9:49:01 GMT
Some really bad takes on here about box office - I guess it's never the audiences fault it - huh? - just HAS to be the marketing, or the studio - GTFO - people don't go to movies for a lot of reasons and in this world now - there's even more of those currently. I would guess no one is anxious to see a movie about a rape (is that a date movie? ) with no appealing lead (here) or target audience niche and starring Jodie Comer who in the real world - not our "message board world" and not "twitter film universe" is you know not really anything to go drop $40 bucks (at least) on - at this point in her career (I like her, I'm sure she's great, it's not you Jodie, it's me) Also movies bomb at the box office and get nodded a lot for BP among other things fairly regularly - Shawshank Redemption.........The Insider........now those weren't THIS year so we'll see about that but blame yourselves too - to paraphrase wise philosopher /cartoon character Lisa Simpson "Truly there were monsters here, and truly we were them."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2021 14:56:22 GMT
I would guess no one is anxious to see a movie about a rape Yeah, I really think this is the issue. I’m not even sure DiCaprio could have made this a hit.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 17, 2021 17:50:17 GMT
Box office on this was even worse than expected. Couldn't crack 5 million dollars for the weekend (estimated budget is 150 million dollars, and that is probably a conservative estimate)
Messed up thing is that I suspect none of the men involved in a financial disaster of this magnitude will probably see their careers suffer for it. Scott, Driver, Affleck and Damon will likely still ride onto one big project after another. If Jodie Comer doesn't get that Oscar nod, I suspect her career will face the most damage (despite having the most praised performance) and her nascent career as a movie star may be stillborn. Disasters like this always need a scapegoat to suffer. Barry Pepper's career seemed to take the fall for Battlefield Earth's colossal failure, instead of John Travolta, who instigated the whole fiasco (not calling this film Battlefield Earth either. At least it is well reviewed. But flops this big always seems to require a career sacrifice, imho).
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Oct 17, 2021 19:07:20 GMT
Box office on this was even worse than expected. Couldn't crack 5 million dollars for the weekend (estimated budget is 150 million dollars, and that is probably a conservative estimate) Messed up thing is that I suspect none of the men involved in a financial disaster of this magnitude will probably see their careers suffer for it. Scott, Driver, Affleck and Damon will likely still ride onto one big project after another. If Jodie Comer doesn't get that Oscar nod, I suspect her career will face the most damage (despite having the most praised performance) and her nascent career as a movie star may be stillborn. Disasters like this always need a scapegoat to suffer. Barry Pepper's career seemed to take the fall for Battlefield Earth's colossal failure, instead of John Travolta, who instigated the whole fiasco (not calling this film Battlefield Earth either. At least it is well reviewed. But flops this big always seems to require a career sacrifice, imho). It's definitely not a good box office performance, no matter how you look at it. I don't think I'm writing the movie just off yet, especially given the circumstances and the subject matter that may have been a turn-off to a lot of audiences, nor do I think any of the major actors will be hit hard because the movie was generally well-received, but this does make me think that the film is less-likely to be best picture bound now. I will say, the most disappointing thing about its performance, is that this means that the major studios will be less likely to greenlight more adult-skewing pictures, and instead will just go full comic-book film overdrive. The more "risque" pictures, will probably almost be streaming exclusive, and if you care about the future of cinema like that, I'm not really sure that's exactly a "good thing".
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Post by futuretrunks on Oct 17, 2021 19:14:51 GMT
This is the problem with actors/directors being a bit too cavalier about projects. Ridley has become so erratic that audiences don't really have a relationship to him, and Affleck/Damon have appeared in so many turkeys in recent years that there's no urgency for the average person to go see their film immediately. Not to mention Driver isn't a star at all.
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Post by franklin on Oct 17, 2021 20:25:19 GMT
Box office on this was even worse than expected. Couldn't crack 5 million dollars for the weekend (estimated budget is 150 million dollars, and that is probably a conservative estimate) Messed up thing is that I suspect none of the men involved in a financial disaster of this magnitude will probably see their careers suffer for it. Scott, Driver, Affleck and Damon will likely still ride onto one big project after another. If Jodie Comer doesn't get that Oscar nod, I suspect her career will face the most damage (despite having the most praised performance) and her nascent career as a movie star may be stillborn. Disasters like this always need a scapegoat to suffer. Barry Pepper's career seemed to take the fall for Battlefield Earth's colossal failure, instead of John Travolta, who instigated the whole fiasco (not calling this film Battlefield Earth either. At least it is well reviewed. But flops this big always seems to require a career sacrifice, imho). I think Damon too will be hurt by this. This other commercial failure (alongside Stillwater) keeps showing his decline as a movie star and the general public's increasing disinterest towards him. Since all the praises were mainly for her, i think Comer will still get good work (isn't she in the next Scott one already, Kitbag?) she may even get the nomination in Actress regardless of the box office.
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Post by countjohn on Oct 17, 2021 23:34:18 GMT
It really looks like these kinds of big budget movies for adults are on their last legs unless you have a legit megastar in it like Leo or Cruise. And no, Damon isn't that anymore, it's not 2007. I really do see this hurting Damon, not sure how you can justify putting his name above the title of a non-IP big budget movie after this. Scott might get bailed out by House of Gucci and make everyone forget about this but if not he's not going to be able to get another big budget film like this either at his age unless it's another Alien movie. Affleck and Driver should be unaffected, they're not really the stars and Driver's calling card isn't being a BO draw anyway, his thing going forward is going to be leading lower budget Oscar bait stuff and having second leads in big movies so he doesn't take the heat if they flop. This was supposed to be Comer's breakout but obviously not given the BO performance, maybe she'll get another shot and she'll continue to be able to do the smaller stuff she's been doing.
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Post by flasuss on Oct 17, 2021 23:47:52 GMT
Frankly, a movie that has a rape as the main issue of the plot was always going to be a tough sell. It should have had a much smaller budget.
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Post by countjohn on Oct 18, 2021 1:51:50 GMT
Matt Damon (like Clooney and his friend Affleck) was never a huge iconic megastar like Leo, Pitt, Cruise, Depp, or Smith. Regardless of who's hot now and who isn't, all those five i mentioned managed to penetrate into the zeitgeist, the popular culture, and the multigenerational general public's consciousness in a lingering way. They were (or are) all arguably at least at one certain point of their career the biggest and most famous and bankable actor in the planet. Matt Damon instead always belonged (alongside the other two i already mentioned) to a sort of second tier of major movie stars. Him and Affleck were never those incredibly big draws even in their prime, imagine now that they are respectively 51 and 49 years old. Damon was undeniably a legit A-lister in the Bourne/Ocean's/Departed days. He just hasn't done much of note over the past 10 years besides The Martian and basically a cameo in Interstellar. So the shine has worn off and he's gotten terrible press over the past five years constantly putting his foot in his mouth.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Oct 18, 2021 2:25:45 GMT
Kind of crazy that this is making less money than The Green Knight...
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Oct 18, 2021 2:41:34 GMT
Matt Damon (like Clooney and his friend Affleck) was never a huge iconic megastar like Leo, Pitt, Cruise, Depp, or Smith. Regardless of who's hot now and who isn't, all those five i mentioned managed to penetrate into the zeitgeist, the popular culture, and the multigenerational general public's consciousness in a lingering way. They were (or are) all arguably at least at one certain point of their career the biggest and most famous and bankable actor in the planet. Matt Damon instead always belonged (alongside the other two i already mentioned) to a sort of second tier of major movie stars. Him and Affleck were never those incredibly big draws even in their prime, imagine now that they are respectively 51 and 49 years old. Damon was undeniably a legit A-lister in the Bourne/Ocean's/Departed days. He just hasn't done much of note over the past 10 years besides The Martian and basically a cameo in Interstellar. So the shine has worn off and he's gotten terrible press over the past five years constantly putting his foot in his mouth. Ford v Ferrari did well too and that was just two years ago... I'm not sure how much this film will hurt him since it's more of an ensemble film rather than one that rests on his shoulders, plus it seems pretty obvious to me that the subject matter is what's responsible for people's lack of interest.
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Post by countjohn on Oct 18, 2021 3:06:42 GMT
Damon was undeniably a legit A-lister in the Bourne/Ocean's/Departed days. He just hasn't done much of note over the past 10 years besides The Martian and basically a cameo in Interstellar. So the shine has worn off and he's gotten terrible press over the past five years constantly putting his foot in his mouth. Ford v Ferrari did well too and that was just two years ago... I'm not sure how much this film will hurt him since it's more of an ensemble film rather than one that rests on his shoulders, plus it seems pretty obvious to me that the subject matter is what's responsible for people's lack of interest. That is true. Although I think Bale is a bigger draw than Damon these days when he's doing something commercial and a movie about racing sports cars is more high concept than this was where you can sell it on the premise and not just the star. Edit- Even if it would have been a bit false advertising they really should have sold this more on the fight scene in the trailers. If I recall all there ever was was the one shot of them jousting. And the fight scene 100% delivers so it wouldn't have been entirely off base although you have to wait 2 hrs into the movie for it.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 18, 2021 3:42:22 GMT
Christian Bale is not now, nor has he ever been a bigger draw than Matt Damon. Outside of Batman movies and ensemble films with more bankable stars than him in the cast, Christian Bale films tend not to make much money. Damon was the main draw for Ford Vs Ferrari. It was a classically made period film about middle American values...absolutely Damon's wheelhouse. Damon has always been an inconsistent draw. Over his whole career, he's had massive flops, then massive hits, then massive flops, then massive hits and back again. This is absolutely par for the course with him. He keeps getting big opportunities in big budget films because he tends recover from flops with major hits. In the right movie/concept/character, Damon can carry a film to hundreds of millions of dollars (if not over a billion) at the global box office. Wrong film/concept/character and he can lay an egg. Matt Damon fans generally want to see Matt Damon looking like Matt Damon. and preferably in something contemporary or at least American. Not in a supporting character role as a medieval French Knight, with a silly Joe Dirt Mullet and scars all over his face. He was never ideal casting to bring in his typical audience for this. No idea why people are trying to put this on just on Damon's shoulders either. This was an ensemble cast, not a one-man star vehicle. Affleck is supposed to be a major draw/star as well. Hollywood treats Driver like he is a big star who should be carrying movies and is cast in leads in everything now. And while Comer is untested in movies, she's coming of a very hyped show in Killing Eve. And even Ridley Scott should have some sort of cache by now. This was a collective failure. You can't just put in on Damon's shoulders. That's why I suspect everyone (except maybe film newbie Comer) might get off Scott-free (pun intended )
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Post by Miles Morales on Oct 18, 2021 12:21:15 GMT
Kind of crazy that this is making less money than The Green Knight... Yeah, very surreal to see, though I do see it legging out better than TGK since general audience reception is a lot better... but legs don't mean much when the lifetime would probably be around $15-20 million on a $100 million budget. And I don't think Jodie Comer will be hugely affected by this. She's very well-liked, has other projects yet to come and not to mention Free Guy was a hit. I think Damon will be hurt a lot more.
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Post by flasuss on Oct 18, 2021 13:34:03 GMT
Yeah, I don't see Jodie Comer being too affected by this. It was not a star vehicle for her, like say, John Carter for Taylor Kitsch or Showgirls for Elizabeth Berkeley. Plus, she might an Oscar nom out of it.
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Post by Brother Fease on Nov 24, 2021 16:16:20 GMT
I want to know your feelings on this. Ridley Scott recently blamed the box-office woes of "The Last Duel" on millennials and cell phones. He is basically saying, young people don't want to go to the movies anymore because they can watch movies from their cell phones. They would rather get their history from their phones. Do you agree or disagree with him? Please see the video/article below.
For me, he's about half right here. Box office numbers are down because of Covid and the popularity of streaming services. People prefer, not just millennials (I think he meant GenZ), to watch things in the comfort of their own home and can stop the movie at any minute.
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Post by stephen on Nov 24, 2021 16:19:39 GMT
Ridley Scott is the embodiment of the "old man yells at cloud" meme from The Simpsons, and honestly, he's one of the few that I just accept that's who he is. But he's wrong here. The reason The Last Duel didn't do well was because the studio didn't promote it well at all, the subject matter is grim as hell, and WE ARE STILL IN THE MIDDLE OF A GODDAMN PANDEMIC.
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