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Post by pupdurcs on May 25, 2022 22:59:44 GMT
Jesus, Hanks is getting roasted for this
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Post by futuretrunks on May 25, 2022 23:04:40 GMT
I like O'Brien, but what an exceptionally petty thing to post. And these Hanks notices are savage indeed. Movie could be a big or only modest hit, but Butler comes out unscathed. May get a Best Actor nomination or win and follow it up with Dune Part 2. He's probably #2 in the young-ish actor hierarchy after Chalamet right now.
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Post by Joaquim on May 25, 2022 23:13:39 GMT
Idk why O’Brien is so upset lmao, he can make a good career for himself out of being a star in B action movies which is probably what he’s better suited for
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Post by sirchuck23 on May 25, 2022 23:14:22 GMT
Jesus, Hanks is getting roasted for this Welp…potentially his performance is an early candidate for the Tom Hardy in Capone Hall of Fame.
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Post by stephen on May 25, 2022 23:17:19 GMT
Jesus, Hanks is getting roasted for this Welp…potentially his performance is an early candidate for the Tom Hardy in Capone Hall of Fame. If Tom Hanks shits himself while belting "King of the Forest" in Elvis, I will cede my position on DDL being our greatest living actor and hop about the Hanks (Polar) Express.
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Post by sirchuck23 on May 25, 2022 23:20:04 GMT
Welp…potentially his performance is an early candidate for the Tom Hardy in Capone Hall of Fame. If Tom Hanks shits himself while belting "King of the Forest" in Elvis, I will cede my position on DDL being our greatest living actor and hop about the Hanks (Polar) Express. I can see Jared Leto doing something similar down the road. One thing I’ll give him, he is fearless in going all out for a performance.
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Post by stephen on May 25, 2022 23:25:41 GMT
If Tom Hanks shits himself while belting "King of the Forest" in Elvis, I will cede my position on DDL being our greatest living actor and hop about the Hanks (Polar) Express. I can see Jared Leto doing something similar down the road. One thing I’ll give him, he is fearless in going all out for a performance. MCU: Method-Actor Cinematic Universe.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 25, 2022 23:26:03 GMT
Honestly, like futuretrunks, I like a O'Brien as well. I watched a few seasons of him in Teen Wolf, and he was the clear standout on the show and had star quality oozing out of him. Fine actor, with a lot of charisma and humor. If the cards had fallen right for him, he could easily be a popular and major movie star as he's got all the qualities. He just had awful luck. The Maze Runner films were a flop would-be mega franchise, because the "Young Adult" Novel adaptation fad was going out of style. And the lazy attempt to make him the next Tom Cruise with American Assassin was dead on arrival. So Hollywood moved on from him. It must be frustrating to know you had that kind of star potential and now people have moved past you onto guys like Butler, and you aren't getting any younger. The pretty boy looks will fade at some point and even his twitter fangirls will move on. I've heard some rumours about O'Brien potentially being recast as The Flash, if/when Warner Brothers finally decide to ditch Ezra Miller. I think O'Brien would be a great replacement for Miller. And he's probably holding out for a big franchise role in a Marvel or DC thing. But competition is tough.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 26, 2022 0:19:52 GMT
Jesus, Hanks is getting roasted for this Welp…potentially his performance is an early candidate for the Tom Hardy in Capone Hall of Fame. It gets worse for Hanks. Ehlrich of IndieWire is a crank who dislikes a lot of things, but he really tears into Hanks here, calling him possibly the most insufferable movie character ever concieved and comparing him to Jar Jar Binks from The Star Wars Prequels.
I don't want to shit on Hanks when he's down. He seems like a great human being, he's a great movie star and everyman actor. But he's always been painfully limited as a dramatic actor, and people have always wanted to excuse him for it because he's a likable all-rounder as a performer. I've said this for many years, and gotten a lot of shit for it from people who thought I was "hating". But it's just a clear and logical assessment of his capabilities for me.
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Post by sirchuck23 on May 26, 2022 1:11:57 GMT
I'm curious how this is going to do box-office wise.
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Post by finniussnrub on May 26, 2022 1:45:44 GMT
I'm curious how this is going to do box-office wise. Well it sounds like another popular musicians' playlist movie a la Rocketman and Bohemian Rhapsody, which the former did well and the latter did amazing. It's PG-13 like the latter so that really only helps pulling in a greater crowd. Although both were pre-pandemic, which leaves the question again if the older crowds are willing to come out for it.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on May 26, 2022 1:50:50 GMT
I'm curious how this is going to do box-office wise. Huge
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Post by stephen on May 26, 2022 2:12:33 GMT
I don't know what it is about Butler, but I'm getting Val Kilmer vibes from him. Maybe it's the early acclaim in a musical biopic angle (Val played Jim Morrison, Butler's playing Elvis), maybe it's the dark pout-lipped swagger, but there's something distinctly Kilmer-esque about Butler to me. Hopefully he doesn't go full prima donna like ol' Val did.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on May 26, 2022 2:12:56 GMT
I'm curious how this is going to do box-office wise. I follow a box office site, and one of the guys there who works in the industry, and can get first scoop on box office tracking (though he can be a bit of a dick about it), says he's heard rumblings that it has the potential to blow-up. I wouldn't doubt Baz either. His only box office dud Australia, still made 211m worldwide.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on May 26, 2022 2:13:36 GMT
I don't know what it is about Butler, but I'm getting Val Kilmer vibes from him. Maybe it's the early acclaim in a musical biopic angle (Val played Jim Morrison, Butler's playing Elvis), maybe it's the dark pout-lipped swagger, but there's something distinctly Kilmer-esque about Butler to me. Hopefully he doesn't go full prima donna like ol' Val did. Just pray he doesn't get cast in another remake of The Island of Dr. Moreau.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 26, 2022 4:57:46 GMT
I don't know what it is about Butler, but I'm getting Val Kilmer vibes from him. Maybe it's the early acclaim in a musical biopic angle (Val played Jim Morrison, Butler's playing Elvis), maybe it's the dark pout-lipped swagger, but there's something distinctly Kilmer-esque about Butler to me. Hopefully he doesn't go full prima donna like ol' Val did. I'd be surprised if he went the prima donna route like Kilmer in his prime (and I'm a big Kilmer fan, and he's an incredible talent who could maybe have been an American DDL reputation wise if his ego hadn't run amok. But we'll always have his all-timer performance as Doc Holiday at least). Been reading some interviews with Butler this week (specifically GQ and The New York Times) and he's been namechecking Denzel (the actual greatest living actor )a lot, as kind of a mentor and acting coach. Apparently they bonded a lot when working on The Iceman Cometh on Broadway. Butler managed to impress the shit out of Denzel by being the first to show up at the theater for rehearsals and on performance days to work on his character. That's something Denzel himself tends to do in theatre and film. He shows up earlier than anyone else and puts in the work. So when Washington sees this young actor trying to outdo his work ethic in learning his role on a set, it majorly impresses him. Butler says there were times it was just him and Denzel in an empty theatre before anyone else was there and Denzel would give advice not only on his role and the scenes, but life advice. He basically told Butler to have humility and don't let being a "star" go to your head. It's about the work. Butler said Denzel made the call to Lurhmann about recommending him for Elvis without mentioning it to him before or after. So, I'd be surprised if he let potential superstardom (and he may have DiCaprio level potential, though we'll see how he does in other roles) go to his head if he's getting the "be humble, don't be an asshole and work hard" talks from Denzel .
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Post by pupdurcs on May 26, 2022 5:45:06 GMT
I like O'Brien, but what an exceptionally petty thing to post. And these Hanks notices are savage indeed. Movie could be a big or only modest hit, but Butler comes out unscathed. May get a Best Actor nomination or win and follow it up with Dune Part 2. He's probably # 2 in the young-ish actor hierarchy after Chalamet right now. That's only if you discount young-ish black actors. The industry is certainly trying hard to make Chalamet happen (but I don’t believe he can actually carry a film to success on his presence alone at this time being), but despite a few missteps recently (like Journal For Jordan) , I'd say Michael B Jordan is comfortably #1 in the young-ish actor stakes. Daniel Kaayula, with his Oscar and Jordan Peele leading man status in practical terms is probably up there also. And then you have John David Washington. He's not black, but you also can't overlook Tom Holland in the young-ish actor stakes, especially since Uncharted did well. Yes, it was based on a pre-existing property and also had a major co-star in Mark Wahlberg, so he's still unproven in a sense. But they will keep giving him opportunities and try to make him a legit draw. Back to Elvis. Looks like Butler might seriously be coming for an Oscar nod.
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Post by stabcaesar on May 26, 2022 6:00:49 GMT
Uh this movie looks atrocious.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on May 26, 2022 15:07:29 GMT
I like O'Brien, but what an exceptionally petty thing to post. And these Hanks notices are savage indeed. Movie could be a big or only modest hit, but Butler comes out unscathed. May get a Best Actor nomination or win and follow it up with Dune Part 2. He's probably # 2 in the young-ish actor hierarchy after Chalamet right now. That's only if you discount young-ish black actors. The industry is certainly trying hard to make Chalamet happen (but I don’t believe he can actually carry a film to success on his presence alone at this time being), but despite a few missteps recently (like Journal For Jordan) , I'd say Michael B Jordan is comfortably #1 in the young-ish actor stakes. Daniel Kaayula, with his Oscar and Jordan Peele leading man status in practical terms is probably up there also. And then you have John David Washington. He's not black, but you also can't overlook Tom Holland in the young-ish actor stakes, especially since Uncharted did well. Yes, it was based on a pre-existing property and also had a major co-star in Mark Wahlberg, so he's still unproven in a sense. But they will keep giving him opportunities and try to make him a legit draw. Back to Elvis. Looks like Butler might seriously be coming for an Oscar nod. Right now I'd put Kaluuya as the lead in his age group based both on that Oscar and the Peele connection. Much as I love Michael B. Jordan, his momentum has stalled since his 2018 combo of Black Panther and Creed II, both of which are extensions of pre-existing franchises (Marvel, Rocky). Just Mercy did well at the box office but any heat coming off that seemed to be centered around Jamie Foxx's performance, his Amazon movie Without Remorse had a Super Bowl commercial and still just came and went without much buzz, and as you noted A Journal for Jordan bombed. He still has more name-recognition than maybe anyone else in the age group and I myself can't wait for Creed III so hopefully he can get back to making a mark, but right now I'd say Chalamet has more heat to him with and Oscar nod for Call Me By Your Name, the successful Gerwig collabs, Dune, and a notable small part in Don't Look Now.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 26, 2022 17:23:22 GMT
That's only if you discount young-ish black actors. The industry is certainly trying hard to make Chalamet happen (but I don’t believe he can actually carry a film to success on his presence alone at this time being), but despite a few missteps recently (like Journal For Jordan) , I'd say Michael B Jordan is comfortably #1 in the young-ish actor stakes. Daniel Kaayula, with his Oscar and Jordan Peele leading man status in practical terms is probably up there also. And then you have John David Washington. He's not black, but you also can't overlook Tom Holland in the young-ish actor stakes, especially since Uncharted did well. Yes, it was based on a pre-existing property and also had a major co-star in Mark Wahlberg, so he's still unproven in a sense. But they will keep giving him opportunities and try to make him a legit draw. Back to Elvis. Looks like Butler might seriously be coming for an Oscar nod. Right now I'd put Kaluuya as the lead in his age group based both on that Oscar and the Peele connection. Much as I love Michael B. Jordan, his momentum has stalled since his 2018 combo of Black Panther and Creed II, both of which are extensions of pre-existing franchises (Marvel, Rocky). Just Mercy did well at the box office but any heat coming off that seemed to be centered around Jamie Foxx's performance, his Amazon movie Without Remorse had a Super Bowl commercial and still just came and went without much buzz, and as you noted A Journal for Jordan bombed. He still has more name-recognition than maybe anyone else in the age group and I myself can't wait for Creed III so hopefully he can get back to making a mark, but right now I'd say Chalamet has more heat to him with and Oscar nod for Call Me By Your Name, the successful Gerwig collabs, Dune, and a notable small part in Don't Look Now. Chalamet has carried nothing that relied on him to sell it, which is why I can't bring myself to put him at #1 (or over Jordan), no matter how hard the industry is working to push him. Dune was a pre-existing property with gigantic budget & special effects, with a waiting fan base to see the fillm done right, and an all-star cast ( Zendaya alone is a much bigger draw than Chalamet. But with Brolin, Isaac, Momoa, Bardem etc, I'd argue you could have slotted in an unknown in Chalamet's part and the film would have performed the same). I'm not giving him any credit for a small part in a mega-star ensemble with Don't Look Now. He wasn't the lead in any of the Gerwig films, which were about women. Yeah, he got his breakthrough and an Oscar nod with Call Me By Your Name, and that is to his credit. But the rest of it feels like industry smoke and mirrors to try and make him happen. He's mostly inessential to all these supposedly successful films he's been in. When he attempted to carry films that simply relied on him.... The King and Beautiful Boy, they both disappeared without a trace. Jordan has had his misses, but he's actually taking big swings as a leading man compared to Chalamet, who is hiding in ensembles and films that would do well without him. And even though Creed came out of Rocky, I think his performance was so essential to the film and it essentially made it a brand new franchise about the Adonis Creed character, not Rocky. Jordan is a major leading man to the general public/audiences because of Creed in a way I don't think Chalamet is yet. Just look at the poster for Creed III. Stallone/Rocky is not the draw of these films. It's Adonis Creed, an original character that audiences attached themselves to because of Jordan's performance. With Kaayula, the big question mark is that even though he has an Oscar and Jordan Peele in his corner, I don’t think he's got the looks or same level of appeal to women as Chalamet, Jordan or John David Washington. He's done brilliantly to get as far as he has being a regular looking dude, but I can easily see him being relegated to character/supporting actor status if he gets a few flops.
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Post by countjohn on May 26, 2022 20:53:50 GMT
Getting off the subject of the thread, but film twitter grossly underestimates the amount of people who have never heard of Chalamet or maybe hadn't heard of him until Dune. And since people are so intent on making the comparison he's not even comparable to pre Titanic Leo in his level of fame. He was already a teen ido, thanks to Romeo+Juliet.
And yes, the Creed films and Black Panther are orders of magnitude bigger than anything Chalamet's done, so MBJ's name/face recognition is way higher.
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Post by futuretrunks on May 27, 2022 2:05:46 GMT
I like O'Brien, but what an exceptionally petty thing to post. And these Hanks notices are savage indeed. Movie could be a big or only modest hit, but Butler comes out unscathed. May get a Best Actor nomination or win and follow it up with Dune Part 2. He's probably # 2 in the young-ish actor hierarchy after Chalamet right now. That's only if you discount young-ish black actors. The industry is certainly trying hard to make Chalamet happen (but I don’t believe he can actually carry a film to success on his presence alone at this time being), but despite a few missteps recently (like Journal For Jordan) , I'd say Michael B Jordan is comfortably #1 in the young-ish actor stakes. Daniel Kaayula, with his Oscar and Jordan Peele leading man status in practical terms is probably up there also. And then you have John David Washington. He's not black, but you also can't overlook Tom Holland in the young-ish actor stakes, especially since Uncharted did well. Yes, it was based on a pre-existing property and also had a major co-star in Mark Wahlberg, so he's still unproven in a sense. But they will keep giving him opportunities and try to make him a legit draw. Back to Elvis. Looks like Butler might seriously be coming for an Oscar nod. MBJ has had plenty of chances. He's "not that guy". Just Mercy, Without Remorse, and A Journal for Jordan sequentially? He may be able to revert to temporary star status with every Creed release, but he's clearly not a generational movie star like Denzel or Will Smith. Kaluuya is a wonderful character actor, but more of a PSH type figure with a biliary duct/liver problem (yellow eyes) than some kind of glamorous major movie star. John David Washington is good and underrated, but not transcendent. I think Kelvin Harrison Jr. is the young black actor who could become major with a push, but I don't think that's happening either.
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Post by futuretrunks on May 27, 2022 2:12:20 GMT
Getting off the subject of the thread, but film twitter grossly underestimates the amount of people who have never heard of Chalamet or maybe hadn't heard of him until Dune. And since people are so intent on making the comparison he's not even comparable to pre Titanic Leo in his level of fame. He was already a teen ido, thanks to Romeo+Juliet. And yes, the Creed films and Black Panther are orders of magnitude bigger than anything Chalamet's done, so MBJ's name/face recognition is way higher. Chalamet is racking up prestige. Whether or not his pre-existing IP hits are more legitimate than MBJ's is a funny thing to be debating. MBJ has basically failed constantly post-Fruitvale Station outside of Creed and Marvel.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 27, 2022 2:13:11 GMT
That's only if you discount young-ish black actors. The industry is certainly trying hard to make Chalamet happen (but I don’t believe he can actually carry a film to success on his presence alone at this time being), but despite a few missteps recently (like Journal For Jordan) , I'd say Michael B Jordan is comfortably #1 in the young-ish actor stakes. Daniel Kaayula, with his Oscar and Jordan Peele leading man status in practical terms is probably up there also. And then you have John David Washington. He's not black, but you also can't overlook Tom Holland in the young-ish actor stakes, especially since Uncharted did well. Yes, it was based on a pre-existing property and also had a major co-star in Mark Wahlberg, so he's still unproven in a sense. But they will keep giving him opportunities and try to make him a legit draw. Back to Elvis. Looks like Butler might seriously be coming for an Oscar nod. MBJ has had plenty of chances. He's "not that guy". Just Mercy, Without Remorse, and A Journal for Jordan sequentially? He may be able to revert to temporary star status with every Creed release, but he's clearly not a generational movie star like Denzel or Will Smith. Kaluuya is a wonderful character actor, but more of a PSH type figure with a biliary duct/liver problem (yellow eyes) than some kind of glamorous major movie star. John David Washington is good and underrated, but not transcendent. I think Kelvin Harrison Jr. is the young black actor who could become major with a push, but I don't think that's happening either. Yet....what has Chalamet actually carried to success that required his presence? Nothing. I've already outlined that in my last post. I honestly think Jordan has a ton more recognition with audienced/general public than Chalamet (as countjohn pointed out). Chalamet is an it boy that Hollywood wants to happen, but there is actually zero evidence that he's a "star" audiences care about at all when it comes to putting butts in seats.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 27, 2022 2:20:27 GMT
Getting off the subject of the thread, but film twitter grossly underestimates the amount of people who have never heard of Chalamet or maybe hadn't heard of him until Dune. And since people are so intent on making the comparison he's not even comparable to pre Titanic Leo in his level of fame. He was already a teen ido, thanks to Romeo+Juliet. And yes, the Creed films and Black Panther are orders of magnitude bigger than anything Chalamet's done, so MBJ's name/face recognition is way higher. Chalamet is racking up prestige. Whether or not his pre-existing IP hits are more legitimate than MBJ's is a funny thing to be debating. MBJ has basically failed constantly post-Fruitvale Station outside of Creed and Marvel. Lucas Hedges has racked up some prestige. He can't draw audiences either. No one is saying Chalamet isn't a good actor , but this is about whether he is a "star" that moves the needle with audiences (and not just on social media with his fangirls, which lots of pretty boy actors who also can't draw flies have). There is little indication that he does, despite manging to find himself in a few successful films. The industry is trying to put him over, but he is not at this moment in time a star comparable to Michael B Jordan at the general audience level.
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