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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Dec 14, 2017 4:23:05 GMT
I’m just gonna go ahead and make this now before the world loses its mind in the next 24 hours. Or maybe you’ve already seen it (lucky), so leave your thoughts, but try to keep spoilers hush-hush for the time being. Gonna unwind, get some rest, and then tomorrow’s the big moment of truth. Night all!
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 14, 2017 8:26:41 GMT
I really liked it. It probably is a bit too long/overstuffed but it's just sooo much fun. The last act or so is amazing, Driver is MVP.
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Post by JangoB on Dec 14, 2017 18:00:23 GMT
(copied from the 'Last movie you saw' thread):
Enjoyed it enormously. I don't think it's as lean and well-constructed as "The Force Awakens" but it's a damn terrific experience. It's a movie which tries to do a lot of things within its pretty expansive 150 min running time and succeeds with almost all of its goals. Perhaps it tries to reach for a bit too much and ends up a tad overstuffed but the emotional power and entertainment value of it all is really quite overwhelming. Visually it's gorgeous with some of the most awe-inspiring imagery in "SW" to date. The funny bits are funny, the exciting ones are exciting and the emotional ones do hit you pretty damn hard. It's sprawling though and maybe not all of the storylines work out exactly the way I wished they would but in a way that's even more fun - as the trailer says, this is not gonna go the way you think. So even when certain storylines and character beats ended up in places I didn't particularly except them to go, I still appreciated that, especially some hours after watching the film. A second viewing will be essential. Just because there's literally A LOT to grasp. My only slight disappointment is the John Williams score which was very good but didn't really offer anything new (except for one fresh theme, I think). His "TFA" work felt so fresh and was so full of completely new material that I kinda wanted this one to impress me just as much. But here Johnny mostly develops and riffs on the stuff he made for the previous movie. Which is fine and totally understandable. But I guess I wanted more new stuff. Still, the score is very good and works perfectly within the film.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Dec 14, 2017 19:43:59 GMT
Well that was a heap of shite. After all the goodwill The Force Awakens had on me after all those other shit films.
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Post by harlequinade on Dec 14, 2017 20:38:59 GMT
The most boring movie of the year for me. Just such wasted potential. Kept reminding me of Matrix Revolutions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 20:41:17 GMT
How's it compare to TFA?
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Dec 14, 2017 20:49:31 GMT
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Post by harlequinade on Dec 14, 2017 20:50:10 GMT
TFA is so much fun TLJ is borderline unwatchable
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Post by CookiesNCream on Dec 14, 2017 21:06:25 GMT
Months ago, there was a leaked (I believe early draft?) script of TLJ that lurked around the web for some time. I haven't read much of it when I saw it since, but I do wonder if some elements from the movie and the early draft turn out to be congruent?
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Dec 15, 2017 1:40:24 GMT
A good sequel but I must admit I preferred Episode VII, simply because it had the better and more exciting story. DOnt get me wrong this new installment of the legendary franchise is still a very good film but I thought the approach of Riann Johnson in regards of making it too comedic at time that it felt like a parody of its own was not always the right way to handle it. I know its good that it doesnt take itself too seriously but the problem is that in some parts it felt like a skit and in other parts it actually DID take itself very seriously so I did not really think the mix worked too well. But yeah that is basically the only beef I have with it. I missed more twists, a la "Empire Strikes Back" but I guess they may save those for the last part. I also wasnt sure about the fate of some characters they built up so well in the first part. But anyway, I don't want to get into too much detail as I don't want to spoil it (but to be honest there is not much too spoil). Acting wise it was fine. Mark Hamill did well and had some really good moments throughout the film. The way he played Luke Skywalker is very different to the way he did before and that was interesting. A great development and the film left him some room to even further develope it throughout. Daisy Ridley was all right, however some scenes were a bit exaggerated. Carrie Fisher was great, and not only because of the bittersweetness of her appearance but they really gave her something to do here, unlike in Episode VII. Adam Driver was possibly the best of the cast, still at times monotone but mysterious and very twisted. I liked it. He also expressed the dilemma of his character excellently. Oscar Isaac more and more developes into Han Solo. John Boyega was tolerable. I really don't like Domhnall Gleeson in that series. Horrible performance. Good new addition of Laura Dern who also had a great character. Benicio Del Toro was great, I just wished has role had more significant. There is another thing that bugged me, it relates too much to the old films like the scenarios repeat themselves, there is nothing original nothing shocking. The structure is the same like an never-ending story. J.J. Abrams film could come over that, I hope he can do it again.
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Best Visual Effects Best Make Up Best Sound Best Sound Editing
Rating: 8/10
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Dec 15, 2017 3:04:37 GMT
I’m gonna go see it again sometime soon to really solidify my thoughts. But based on immediate impressions, this was so satisfying to watch, and really did play with expectations walking in. If this is to be Rian Johnson’s calling card, that trilogy hes headlining sounds really enticing. You sure? Last Warning! FUCKING YODA!!! And it’s a practical puppet! Amazing!
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Dec 15, 2017 3:23:51 GMT
My only slight disappointment is the John Williams score which was very good but didn't really offer anything new (except for one fresh theme, I think). His "TFA" work felt so fresh and was so full of completely new material that I kinda wanted this one to impress me just as much. But here Johnny mostly develops and riffs on the stuff he made for the previous movie. Which is fine and totally understandable. But I guess I wanted more new stuff. Still, the score is very good and works perfectly within the film. I wasn’t. I thought the score was terrific, though I think both of his new trilogy scores are outstanding in markedly different ways. The Force Awakens definitely has it beat in new substance given the number of new motifs and personalities it had to establish (although I noticed quite a number of new themes here beyond Rose’s), but The Last Jedi excels in taking and expanding on those concepts both 2 years old and forty, and weaving them together seamlessly like an elaborate carpet, a beautifully crafted full package.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Dec 15, 2017 7:32:43 GMT
There was joy to be had.
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Post by no on Dec 15, 2017 7:50:11 GMT
6/10
every scene was either great or terrible
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Post by atn on Dec 15, 2017 8:13:06 GMT
i really think killing off rey was a huge mistake but i guess we'll just have to see how it plays out in episode IX
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Post by Pavan on Dec 15, 2017 9:03:08 GMT
Good but I was slightly underwhelmed. It's the not the fun filled nostalgia driven adventure like Force Awakens instead it reminded me of Empire Strikes Back which is actually what i would have wanted but it didn't really went there. Also Snoke is no Palaptine and Kylo Ren is no Darth Vader which is where this trilogy lags behind the original trilogy. Rian Johnson's direction and his visual style is great but there are questionable plot choices like Finn and the codebreaker subplot which was boring and dragged the film. Even Rey gets sidelined for a bit while Kylo Ren takes command and Luke giving all in his final act The final act of the film is terrific boasting some awe inspiring imagery- 7/10 The biggest and most pleasant surprise is to see Master Yoda again
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 11:13:47 GMT
I friggin loved it. Yeah, it starts to feel long by the third act, but damn if I wasn't entertained. Great new additions to the cast (Rose and DJ in particular), and I'm kinda glad it didn't turn out to be as grim as I had imagined. I was really expecting Luke or Rey to go completely dark and one would kill the other, but I LOVE Luke's last stand and how Rey decides to use her powers. I nearly cried during that final scene with Luke and Leia. "Nobody is ever truly gone". It was a brilliant sendoff for both of them, even if it wasn't meant to be one for Leia. Oh and I agree with Ryan, FUCKING YODA.
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Post by JangoB on Dec 15, 2017 11:19:39 GMT
My only slight disappointment is the John Williams score which was very good but didn't really offer anything new (except for one fresh theme, I think). His "TFA" work felt so fresh and was so full of completely new material that I kinda wanted this one to impress me just as much. But here Johnny mostly develops and riffs on the stuff he made for the previous movie. Which is fine and totally understandable. But I guess I wanted more new stuff. Still, the score is very good and works perfectly within the film. I wasn’t. I thought the score was terrific, though I think both of his new trilogy scores are outstanding in markedly different ways. The Force Awakens definitely has it beat in new substance given the number of new motifs and personalities it had to establish (although I noticed quite a number of new themes here beyond Rose’s), but The Last Jedi excels in taking and expanding on those concepts both 2 years old and forty, and weaving them together seamlessly like an elaborate carpet, a beautifully crafted full package. You know, having spent some time with it, I'm now inclined to agree with you. Listening to the score on its own and thinking about it in the context of the film, it definitely is wonderful and does great in developing the new material while beautifully referencing the old stuff too. I still would've preferred a bit more newness but on the other hand I completely get why Williams didn't just pack in a bunch of new themes and instead opted for riffing on the ones he came up with for "TFA". And again, it all works wonderfully within the film itself. Now that my initial desire for supernew music has calmed down, I really appreciate the score much more. The second viewing will sort everything out (because I feel the same way about the film itself - now that the initial dust has settled, I like it even more).
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Post by JangoB on Dec 15, 2017 11:23:16 GMT
Also the boldest thing this movie does is that it doesn't get rid of Leia. There are signinficant twists and turns throughout, including some eye-popping scenes and character moments, but nothing shocked me as much as having Leia just sit there at the end in perfectly good health. I thought for sure Johnson would be sending her off in some way and yet she lives on. Beautiful. Although now the real question is how they're gonna deal with that in Episode 9. I suspect it will be taking place significantly later than this one, not immediately after it.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Dec 15, 2017 15:43:09 GMT
A lot of thoughts, but I'll be broad: - Starting off with a criticism, Rian Johnson is not as strong of a visual director as J.J. Abrams was for the first. You can watch The Force Awakens on mute and get a strong sense of what is going on due to the terrific, Kurosawa-inspired blocking. Still, Johnson does a very good job on the whole. - One additional criticism is that I definitely think there are places in the film that could have been trimmed or streamlined, even if it was just pieces here and there to bolster the pacing. Johnson clearly had a lot of ideas going on and the film is packed with a lot to digest, but some of them could have been more cleverly suggested (this is where a stronger visual sense would have helped) or as is typical with Star Wars left to be expanded upon in other media. - Johnson went pretty bold with the script. Every time I thought I knew what was going to happen next, he deliberately set to subvert those expectations while still staying true to the essence of these characters and their place within this story. A ton of surprises and I loved the hell out of it. - Acting was once again pretty great, especially Adam Driver. The old guard in Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill were lovely as well and provided a lot of the heart of the film. - The ending - I don't really care to compare or rank Star Wars films so I'm not going to here. I'll just say this movie is incredibly different from The Force Awakens and I can see a lot of people who were meh on that one enjoying this more, as well as people who loved TFA to feel like this was a bit of a comedown. I want to give this a second viewing before I finalize my thoughts on it, particularly since there are things Johnson sets up early on that are meant to pay off towards the end, but I walked out of the theater greatly satisfied.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Dec 15, 2017 16:08:43 GMT
One specific thing that bothered me: what, Holdo couldn't just tell Poe that the First Order fleet wasn't looking for the transports and they'd be able to get away discreetly? There's no reason to treat that as a secret when he's setting up for a damn mutiny.
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 15, 2017 16:29:55 GMT
- I don't really care to compare or rank Star Wars films so I'm not going to here. I'll just say this movie is incredibly different from The Force Awakens and I can see a lot of people who were meh on that one enjoying this more, as well as people who loved TFA to feel like this was a bit of a comedown. I want to give this a second viewing before I finalize my thoughts on it, particularly since there are things Johnson sets up early on that are meant to pay off towards the end, but I walked out of the theater greatly satisfied. God, I hope so. I still haven't gotten the vomit taste out of my mouth from that one. Does it rely on coincidence and CRISIS to push each plot point forward the way TFA does? I mean the sense that things are never allowed to develop, never allowed to let the characters make decisions because something is trying to kill them, gotta run! Are they allowed to make decisions that actually matter, allowed to grow as people that make their own way instead of being railroaded into the plot?
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Dec 15, 2017 18:14:53 GMT
Also, considering the sheer amount of stuff Johnson thought up for this film, how come Looper spent half of its time sitting around on a damn farm just waiting for stuff to happen?
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Post by jakesully on Dec 15, 2017 22:02:15 GMT
HATED it. Even worse than The Force Awakens. I am now convinced that Disney pays off critics. I can't believe I got my hopes up for this one . Shame on me
3.5/10
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Post by cheesecake on Dec 15, 2017 22:41:24 GMT
but try to keep spoilers hush-hush for the time being. I came in here to read your thoughts but got this instead. Oh well, I have no interest in seeing it anyway.
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