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Post by Billy_Costigan on Dec 15, 2017 23:54:49 GMT
Haven't seen it yet, but audiences seem to be hating on it. The 56% audience score is pretty rough. That's worse than all of the prequels.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Dec 16, 2017 0:17:29 GMT
Haven't seen it yet, but audiences seem to be hating on it. The 56% audience score is pretty rough. That's worse than all of the prequels.And I genuinely can’t fathom why. Were they not expecting it to be so dark? (Unlikely. Nowadays, everybody watching Empire knows what they’re in for, so clearly they can take it.) Was it out of protest for the Fox buyout? (If so, that’s not the film’s fault! That’s just diminishing and unfair.) Was it leftover scorn from the Trumpies? (Really doubt that, because Rogue One, the inspiration for the #DropStarWars movement, still has an 87. Although it’s worth noting I skimmed through the audience reviews section, where the first entry had “obvious political agenda” shoehorned as one of its criticisms, and there are several like that which blast the film, but don’t give any constructive reasoning as to why, essentially parroting things *other* people are saying. And they’re blatantly spoiling major reveals without any regard, which certainly doesn’t aid their integrity. So if you haven’t seen it, *DO NOT* read that section.) Or maybe audiences really did just not like it, and they’re making that clear. (Heh, this is Rotten Tomatoes we’re talking about. Worse films get higher audience ratings all the time.) I mean, there’s nothing wrong with disliking it. I disagree and argue with people all the time over stuff like this, and we still get on, but this is a real headscratcher, and I don’t understand why it didn’t sit well.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Dec 16, 2017 0:27:03 GMT
Third year in a row of underwhelming Star Wars experiences...
There are scenes in The Last Jedi that are better than anything in The Force Awakens, but overall it's just not as consistently engaging (and I'm not even that big a fan of TFA). The sequences that don't involve Rey, Kylo, or Luke are honestly a huge bore and mostly feel like obligatory filler. It's like we started out with this new ensemble of characters in TFA, but then the filmmakers couldn't think of interesting things to do with some of them for this film, but knew that a whole movie couldn't just be focused on Rey, Kylo, and Luke. I just don't find Finn or Poe to be interesting characters, so I wasn't invested at all in any of their scenes, and I kept waiting for them to get back to the Rey/Kylo/Luke storyline because that's the only part of the movie that I gave a shit about.
ESB - 10/10 ANH - 8/10 RotJ - 7/10 TFA - 7/10 TLJ - 6.5/10 R1 - 6/10 RotS - 5/10 TPM - 4/10 AotC - 3/10
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Post by Feesy on Dec 16, 2017 0:47:55 GMT
Haven't seen it yet, but audiences seem to be hating on it. The 56% audience score is pretty rough. That's worse than all of the prequels.And I genuinely can’t fathom why. Were they not expecting it to be so dark? (Unlikely. Nowadays, everybody watching Empire knows what they’re in for, so clearly they can take it.) Was it out of protest for the Fox buyout? (If so, that’s not the film’s fault! That’s just diminishing and unfair.) Was it leftover scorn from the Trumpies? (Really doubt that, because Rogue One, the inspiration for the #DropStarWars movement, still has an 87. Although it’s worth noting I skimmed through the audience reviews section, where the first entry had “obvious political agenda” shoehorned as one of its criticisms, and there are several like that which blast the film, but don’t give any constructive reasoning as to why, essentially parroting things *other* people are saying. And they’re blatantly spoiling major reveals without any regard, which certainly doesn’t aid their integrity. So if you haven’t seen it, *DO NOT* read that section.) Or maybe audiences really did just not like it, and they’re making that clear. (Heh, this is Rotten Tomatoes we’re talking about. Worse films get higher audience ratings all the time.) I mean, there’s nothing wrong with disliking it. I disagree and argue with people all the time over stuff like this, and we still get on, but this is a real headscratcher, and I don’t understand why it didn’t sit well. Agree, man. It has me scratching my head.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Dec 16, 2017 1:11:12 GMT
Haven't seen it yet, but audiences seem to be hating on it. The 56% audience score is pretty rough. That's worse than all of the prequels.And I genuinely can’t fathom why. Were they not expecting it to be so dark? (Unlikely. Nowadays, everybody watching Empire knows what they’re in for, so clearly they can take it.) Was it out of protest for the Fox buyout? (If so, that’s not the film’s fault! That’s just diminishing and unfair.) Was it leftover scorn from the Trumpies? (Really doubt that, because Rogue One, the inspiration for the #DropStarWars movement, still has an 87. Although it’s worth noting I skimmed through the audience reviews section, where the first entry had “obvious political agenda” shoehorned as one of its criticisms, and there are several like that which blast the film, but don’t give any constructive reasoning as to why, essentially parroting things *other* people are saying. And they’re blatantly spoiling major reveals without any regard, which certainly doesn’t aid their integrity. So if you haven’t seen it, *DO NOT* read that section.) Or maybe audiences really did just not like it, and they’re making that clear. (Heh, this is Rotten Tomatoes we’re talking about. Worse films get higher audience ratings all the time.) I mean, there’s nothing wrong with disliking it. I disagree and argue with people all the time over stuff like this, and we still get on, but this is a real headscratcher, and I don’t understand why it didn’t sit well. Some criticisms I understand (the stuff that doesn't involve Rey/Luke/Kylo isn't as strong), some have to do with things I thought were gonna be divisive (that one Leia scene), and others seem to have to do with people being upset at changes in the Star Wars formula/characters (which is ironic since that's the polar opposite of the criticism that TFA played things too safe). I also think some of it is just knee-jerk reactions: usually when are faced with something unfamiliar and strange, a person's first reaction is one of discomfort (for example, I have friends who didn't know how to feel about some movies immediately after watching them and then a week later realized they really liked it). I've heard and read contemporaneous reviews of Empire that were similar in that regard.
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Post by Film Socialism on Dec 16, 2017 1:20:46 GMT
>low audience score
count me in
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Dec 16, 2017 3:05:41 GMT
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Post by Feesy on Dec 16, 2017 3:33:29 GMT
Some non-spoiler The Last Jedi thoughts from me (Disney haters beware, I’m going to praise it and Disney didn’t pay me either!!! 😜).
It’s definitely not perfect. To start with a mild criticism, the first half meanders to me. There’s a story thread that does come into play to the main plot, but it doesn’t work very well. I didn’t hate it but it was by far the least interesting aspect of the film despite an actor showing up that I loved seeing. I’ll kind of piggy-back YouTube critic Chris Stuckmann’s thoughts in saying that it kind of halts the pacing. But on to the positives...
Star Wars’ action has almost always been great with the Saga all the way through. The Last Jedi provides some of the finest sequences in the entire saga for me and still maintains the emotional weight. It’s not just flashy stuff, there’s more at work underneath the surface. To add on, the cinematography and production design are absolutely fantastic, Oscar-worthy stuff.
The acting is on point as well, boasting Hamill’s best performance as Luke and Driver making for a villain becoming more memorable because of the depth and being a bad ass. Fischer is great and Johnson makes a bold decision regarding her character that I did not expect. Oscar Isaac gets more screen time as Poe and shines as well to no surprise. Ridley does great work as Rey, as well. If I had a weak link, it would be Laura Dern who felt a little out of place.
The story hits some familiar notes of previous Star Wars films but definitely offers enough surprises to enjoy. One thing I took away was that the story even asks Rey to let go of the past and create your own legacy. Is this kind of a wink at the people claiming that The Force Awakens relied too much on nostalgia? Maybe. Either way, this film offers more than great action adventure.
Overall, I’d give The Last Jedi an 8.5/10. Not perfect but there isn’t a perfect a perfect Star Wars movie anyway. It’s weird to hear some people are flat out hating it, I’m really curious why that is.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Dec 16, 2017 4:31:54 GMT
Well. What a crazy day today has been. I’d intended to make some time where I could properly sit down and form my thoughts together, but last minute errands and some non-stop unexpected distractions just kept me away until a little while ago.
But really, that time away was really fortunate in allowing me to better digest what the movie gave me. I’m far from solidified as I’ll need to see this again, but one word Best describes my first impressions: satisfaction.
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Post by jakesully on Dec 16, 2017 15:40:19 GMT
Domhnall Gleeson is so damn bad in these Star Wars films. And I normally like him in everything else too. I'll try and add some more of my thoughts below on why I was massively disappointed The final conflict was such a rip off imo . The huge build up to the show down between Kylo Ren & Skywalker was a MASSIVE disappoint. I wanted to see a big light saber fight . In fairness, Hamill was quite good but wasn't really given that much to do. I wanted to see out there kicking ass! Also, I was disappointed that Rose character got a lot more screen time and took away screen time from Poe. Her character was like some annoying SJW. Couldn't stand her
Del Toro with such a tiny role...LAME!
last but not least, the ending. Probably the cheesiest Star Wars ending out of all of them. So fucking stupid. Welp. Most likely I'll be skipping Episode IX in theaters all together . And won't even bother with the Solo film either (which sounds like a huge cluster fuck)
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Post by Pavan on Dec 16, 2017 17:07:31 GMT
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Post by Miles Morales on Dec 16, 2017 18:21:45 GMT
I friggin' loved it. Amazing action, gorgeous visual style and imagery, great acting, terrific direction, stunning production design and visual effects and pretty good humour. Most importantly, it is filled to the brim with so much heart and hope. It perfectly captures the essence of Star Wars. A few flaws hold it back from being on the same level as Empire and A New Hope. Still, it absolutely floored me. Easily my third favourite Star Wars film and my favourite moviegoing experience of the year.
A very strong 9.5/10. Might even go up to 10/10 in the future.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Dec 16, 2017 18:35:34 GMT
The TFA criticisms go well beyond them simply playing it safe (more like them outright plagiarizing A New Hope, for one).
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Post by evilbliss on Dec 16, 2017 18:37:58 GMT
I can't even remember what happened. It was so boring, and so lame. I'm done with these.
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Post by countjohn on Dec 17, 2017 0:06:04 GMT
Yeah, it's hardly a perfect film but I don't see how you could prefer TFA unless you just want cookie-cutter rehashes of the old films. I'll post a mini-review in this thread soon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 0:30:07 GMT
I friggin' loved it. Amazing action, gorgeous visual style and imagery, great acting, terrific direction, stunning production design and visual effects and pretty good humour. Most importantly, it is filled to the brim with so much heart and hope. It perfectly captures the essence of Star Wars. A few flaws hold it back from being on the same level as Empire and A New Hope. Still, it absolutely floored me. Easily my third favourite Star Wars film and my favourite moviegoing experience of the year. A very strong 9.5/10. Might even go up to 10/10 in the future. How does it compare to ‘The Force Awakens’?
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Post by ibbi on Dec 17, 2017 0:43:48 GMT
The TFA criticisms go well beyond them simply playing it safe (more like them outright plagiarizing A New Hope, for one). People are talking about how this one was so much more out there, but it did the EXACT SAME THING people criticized Force Awakens for, just lifting whole chunks of story out of the original films. Can't wait to see the new really fat alien with the god tier laugh they come up with for episode 9.
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Post by countjohn on Dec 17, 2017 0:46:13 GMT
I thought it was a pretty huge improvement over both TFA and Rogue One and probably the 3rd best SW movie. I'd give it a solid 8/10 Hamill is surprisingly good as a brooding Luke Skywalker and the scenes with he and Rey work really well, it was probably his best performance as Luke Skywalker. The throne room sequence is one of the best action scenes in the SW franchise and the larger segment as a whole is really well done and builds tension tremendously well, as does Luke's final confrontation with Kylo. The greater emphasis on Snoke was also a welcome change and gave the film a real villain as opposed to just being stuck with Kylo in the first film. The John Williams score was very good and a big improvement over his score for TFA. Here when themes were reused it was in very good contexts, like using the Han/Leia love theme from Empire in some important moments between Leia/Kylo I think that's one of Williams's most effective pieces of score and pretty underrated considering it doesn't get singled out that much. After seeing the film I really wish they were just handing Rian Johnson the third film as well seeing as how he did such a good job with this. The casino themed planet immediately became one of the most interesting Star Wars worlds (unlike the generic planets in TFA). The throne room set was also outstanding and felt like a classic Ken Adams villain lair. There were a few flaws. The "mission control" plotline with Finn/Leia/Oscar Isaac/Laura Dern was dull and I always wanted to go back to Luke and Rey when those scenes would come on. The narrative was a bit jumbled on the whole but I can forgive that because it did so well with character and tension. There was also some pseudo-philosophical nonsense being passed off as profundity, but that's par for the course for Star Wars. My expectations for this were actually pretty low coming in, so I may be going a bit easy on it on the first viewing, we'll see what I think on a rewatch. I just like that in an era of safe cookie-cutter blockbusters someone finally went for it a little bit and took a few chances and gave the audience some surprises. This movie just has way more "soul" than TFA/Rogue One (or the MCU) for lack of a better word, so it resonated better with me.
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Post by chris3 on Dec 17, 2017 1:27:02 GMT
I don't understand the criticisms at all. This movie, to me, is TEN TIMES better than Force Awakens (and I liked Force; hated Rogue One though) and unquestionably the best Star Wars film since Empire. It was everything I wanted and more, and probably the most well-shot Star Wars movie ever. 10/10
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Post by Miles Morales on Dec 17, 2017 3:35:27 GMT
I friggin' loved it. Amazing action, gorgeous visual style and imagery, great acting, terrific direction, stunning production design and visual effects and pretty good humour. Most importantly, it is filled to the brim with so much heart and hope. It perfectly captures the essence of Star Wars. A few flaws hold it back from being on the same level as Empire and A New Hope. Still, it absolutely floored me. Easily my third favourite Star Wars film and my favourite moviegoing experience of the year. A very strong 9.5/10. Might even go up to 10/10 in the future. How does it compare to ‘The Force Awakens’? It's better than TFA. More unique and more entertaining, even.
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Post by atn on Dec 17, 2017 4:58:50 GMT
what the fuck was that
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Dec 17, 2017 17:55:33 GMT
Really want to see the film again because I love what it did to deepen the mythology and expand the characters, but I have some real problems with the Finn/Rose subplot and the fact that entire subplot could have been avoid if Holdo just clues Poe in on why they're abandoning ship since there's no reason not to given how hotheaded everyone knows he is. And I'm not entire able to reconcile how I feel about the movie overall because of how disparate my thoughts are about the pieces that make it up.
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Post by atn on Dec 17, 2017 19:26:37 GMT
Really want to see the film again because I love what it did to deepen the mythology and expand the characters, but I have some real problems with the Finn/Rose subplot and the fact that entire subplot could have been avoid if Holdo just clues Poe in on why they're abandoning ship since there's no reason not to given how hotheaded everyone knows he is. And I'm not entire able to reconcile how I feel about the movie overall because of how disparate my thoughts are about the pieces that make it up. they could've just avoided the Leia/Finn/Poe/Rose plot entirely. just have them start the film hiding at the planet already. the film loses literally nothing. well, other than the hour and a half of excurciatingly boring shit
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