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Post by stephen on Feb 9, 2024 17:22:45 GMT
All very true comments, but we have an existing film and we can look at Spike's past collaborators to draw from, or throw names into the mix of actors who haven't yet worked with Washington or Lee and pitch them. For instance, I'd like to see Steven Yeun work with both of them.
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Post by finniussnrub on Feb 9, 2024 17:26:06 GMT
Yeun for Nakadai, Stanfield or Kaluuya for Yamazaki.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 9, 2024 17:32:32 GMT
Is Austin Butler currently booked to be shooting anything? He's promoting Dune 2 right now, but don't know when his next gig is. I feel like he's the guy right now that everyone in the industry wants to work with. The testimonials about his dedication from everyone he works with are taking on a life of it's own. He's obviously already got the Denzel connection, and it'd be a nice little story to play off for promoting the film.
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Post by stephen on Feb 9, 2024 17:35:27 GMT
Is Austin Butler currently booked to be shooting anything? He's promoting Dune 2 right now, but don't know when his next gig is. I feel like he's the guy right now that everyone in the industry wants to work with. The testimonials about his dedication from everyone he works with are taking on a life of it's own. He's obviously already got the Denzel connection, and it's be a nice little story to play off for promoting the film. He just booked the new Ari Aster Western with Phoenix and Stone.
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Post by stephen on Feb 9, 2024 17:37:26 GMT
Yeun for Nakadai, Stanfield or Kaluuya for Yamazaki. I was also thinking Keoghan for the Yamazaki role because, well, obviously.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 9, 2024 17:38:24 GMT
Is Austin Butler currently booked to be shooting anything? He's promoting Dune 2 right now, but don't know when his next gig is. I feel like he's the guy right now that everyone in the industry wants to work with. The testimonials about his dedication from everyone he works with are taking on a life of it's own. He's obviously already got the Denzel connection, and it's be a nice little story to play off for promoting the film. He just booked the new Ari Aster Western with Phoenix and Stone. Fair enough. When does that shoot though? There may still be a window for him to do Lee's film if say, the Aster film starts shooting in May or something.
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Post by futuretrunks on Feb 9, 2024 17:42:04 GMT
He just booked the new Ari Aster Western with Phoenix and Stone. Fair enough. When does that shoot though? There may still be a window for him to do Lee's film if say, the Aster film starts shooting in May or something. I think it starts on March 11.
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Post by stephen on Feb 9, 2024 17:42:13 GMT
He just booked the new Ari Aster Western with Phoenix and Stone. Fair enough. When does that shoot though? There may still be a window for him to do Lee's film if say, the Aster film starts shooting in May or something. I believe it's shooting in March through May.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 9, 2024 17:42:59 GMT
Fair enough. When does that shoot though? There may still be a window for him to do Lee's film if say, the Aster film starts shooting in May or something. I believe it's shooting in March through May. So he's out of consideration. Good to know.
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Post by finniussnrub on Feb 9, 2024 17:56:39 GMT
Yeun for Nakadai, Stanfield or Kaluuya for Yamazaki. I was also thinking Keoghan for the Yamazaki role because, well, obviously. Keoghan would kill the role but I would assume Lee would want to analyze the class disparity between two African American men, if he's a white guy I feel racism would probably factor into his motivation and would obscure the class theme.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Feb 9, 2024 18:08:17 GMT
Steven Yeun working with Spike and Denzel would be amazing, but I think the rumor is he’s tied to Jordan Peele’s next movie as a lead. Don’t know when that’s shooting though.
Edward Norton would be awesome. Perhaps a Jake Gyllenhall.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 9, 2024 18:13:01 GMT
Hmm....just had a thought. If Lee wanted to cast an actor who was currently having a moment and also keep some of the Asian flavor in his version:
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Post by stephen on Feb 9, 2024 18:20:49 GMT
Also, come on -- we need Paul Walter Hauser in this somewhere. He's worked with Spike twice already.
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Post by stephen on Feb 9, 2024 18:22:57 GMT
I was also thinking Keoghan for the Yamazaki role because, well, obviously. Keoghan would kill the role but I would assume Lee would want to analyze the class disparity between two African American men, if he's a white guy I feel racism would probably factor into his motivation and would obscure the class theme. While that's true, I think it would be a fascinating way for Lee to play with preconceived notions of race and make it more about class, to subvert expectations of his own prior work. It's a tricky tightrope to walk, but I'd find that to be interesting.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 9, 2024 18:28:04 GMT
Also, it's not like Lee is always compelled to use race as a motivation for white antagonists. Clive Owen and Christopher Plummer we're both Denzel's antagonists in Inside Man, and their wasn't even a hint that race or racism factored into their motivations.
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Post by stephen on Feb 9, 2024 18:32:36 GMT
Also, it's not like Lee is always compelled to use race as a motivation for white antagonists. Clive Owen and Christopher Plummer we're both Denzel's antagonists in Inside Man, and their wasn't even a hint that race or racism factored into their motivations. I mean, Plummer was working with the Nazis so there was a whole other factor there, and Washington wasn't the target of Owen's scheme but was instead the investigator brought in. It's a different setup here, where Washington (assuming he's the Mifune role) is actively targeted.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 9, 2024 18:43:44 GMT
Also, it's not like Lee is always compelled to use race as a motivation for white antagonists. Clive Owen and Christopher Plummer we're both Denzel's antagonists in Inside Man, and their wasn't even a hint that race or racism factored into their motivations. I mean, Plummer was working with the Nazis so there was a whole other factor there, and Washington wasn't the target of Owen's scheme but was instead the investigator brought in. It's a different setup here, where Washington (assuming he's the Mifune role) is actively targeted. Points taken, but I feel like Lee could easily have thrown in some racial motivations in Inside Man, especially with so many white characters doing shady shit. Even Jodie Foster has a slightly antagonistic relationship with Denzel as well, and it would have been super easy to play Foster's character as a racist Karen, and that's why she thought she was so much smarter than this black cop. But he didn't go there at all. I think because he wanted to make a genre piece and not bog it down with his bigger themes. He could very easily do something similar in this film, even with the different set-up.
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Post by stephen on Feb 9, 2024 18:49:10 GMT
I mean, Plummer was working with the Nazis so there was a whole other factor there, and Washington wasn't the target of Owen's scheme but was instead the investigator brought in. It's a different setup here, where Washington (assuming he's the Mifune role) is actively targeted. Points taken, but I feel like Lee could easily have thrown in some racial motivations in Inside Man, especially with so many white characters doing shady shit. Even Jodie Foster has a slightly antagonistic relationship with Denzel as well, and it would have been super easy to play Foster's character as a racist Karen, and that's why she thought she was so much smarter than this black cop. But he didn't go there at all. I think because he wanted to make a genre piece and not bog it down with his bigger themes. He could very easily do something similar in this film, even with the different set-up. Oh, I agree that he could do something where race isn't a factor here. But obviously the optics of a white guy targeting a black man does carry its own baggage. That's why I would hope that if Lee goes for that dynamic in his casting, he changes it up to play with audience expectations (and maybe in-universe ones as well) to make race completely superfluous to the motive.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 9, 2024 19:11:53 GMT
Interesting take regarding Mifune/Denzel. I feel like Denzel's been credibily compared to a lot of iconic actors though.
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Post by finniussnrub on Feb 9, 2024 19:13:42 GMT
Also, it's not like Lee is always compelled to use race as a motivation for white antagonists. Clive Owen and Christopher Plummer we're both Denzel's antagonists in Inside Man, and their wasn't even a hint that race or racism factored into their motivations. I mean, Plummer was working with the Nazis so there was a whole other factor there, and Washington wasn't the target of Owen's scheme but was instead the investigator brought in. It's a different setup here, where Washington (assuming he's the Mifune role) is actively targeted. Additionally Lee didn't write Inside Man.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 9, 2024 19:16:26 GMT
I mean, Plummer was working with the Nazis so there was a whole other factor there, and Washington wasn't the target of Owen's scheme but was instead the investigator brought in. It's a different setup here, where Washington (assuming he's the Mifune role) is actively targeted. Additionally Lee didn't write Inside Man. At Lee's level, does that matter? He can ask for rewrites and even just a change of a line or two (or even just a word) that could completely change how we see a character's motivation. Just have Foster or Plummer say the N-word once, for example and we have to completely reexamine their motivations. He chose not to.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Feb 9, 2024 19:52:53 GMT
Wonder if Lee will reunite with Matthew Libatique as his DP for this one.
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Post by countjohn on Feb 9, 2024 20:33:48 GMT
Has it been confirmed that Denzel is in the Mifune role? Could just as easily see him playing the cop with another big star as the businessman and that seems more like his wheelhouse anyway.
The casting for the psycho at the end is interesting, hadn't thought of that. Would love to see Norton do it and tap into the Primal Fear energy as an older man and Melton doing his monotone thing from May December again would be an interesting choice since pup mentioned both of them.
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Post by finniussnrub on Feb 9, 2024 20:56:33 GMT
Additionally Lee didn't write Inside Man. At Lee's level, does that matter? He can ask for rewrites and even just a change of a line or two (or even just a word) that could completely change how we see a character's motivation. Just have Foster or Plummer say the N-word once, for example and we have to completely reexamine their motivations. He chose not to. Well in this instance, given that Lee could've re-written the script and chose to direct it, I imagine he liked the core of the original screenplay which was the focus on the heist/hostage situation. Adding race heavily would've changed the film considerably from largely an entertaining thriller to something else. However, even so I would say where you probably do see Lee's influence is the racial profiling of the Sikh hostage and the Grand Theft Auto type game, so race is still in the film even if it isn't the focal point.
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Post by finniussnrub on Feb 9, 2024 20:58:26 GMT
Also, come on -- we need Paul Walter Hauser in this somewhere. He's worked with Spike twice already. I'd love him to play one of the police, but this time have him play one of the smartest guys in the room.
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