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Post by quetee on Jan 12, 2020 23:33:37 GMT
They created new rules And it looks really bad that after twitter got all pissed about it and put them on blast, they changed background to show two black people winning. Sorry to me that was annoying. If they really thought it was no big deal just leave header alone but nope...rhey did they oh...but but i got a black friend card. That was tacky. Not really the ‘evidence’ I was looking for. You are not gonna get evidence in this type of business especially when what is the best performance is subjective. All you can do is look at behavior patterns when it comes to nods and something is off with them. It could also be an elitist attitude they have. Like I was saying earlier, how do you give Roma, which is a character driven story a win for best picture and you can't find one person to nominate in the film? For the past 20 years, that hasn't been the case. Their best picture winner has always had at least one nod and if Parasite wins bp then it is going to look off that you can give best film to these character driven movies but you can't find one actor to nominate from them.
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Post by Good God on Jan 12, 2020 23:44:40 GMT
You are not gonna get evidence in this type of business especially when what is the best performance is subjective. All you can do is look at behavior patterns when it comes to nods and something is off with them. It could also be an elitist attitude they have. Like I was saying earlier, how do you give Roma, which is a character driven story a win for best picture and you can't find one person to nominate in the film? For the past 20 years, that hasn't been the case. Their best picture winner has always had at least one nod and if Parasite wins bp then it is going to look off that you can give best film to these character driven movies but you can't find one actor to nominate from them. That's a matter of perspective, isn't it? You could instead say, "How can a movie without acting that is good enough to warrant a nomination be good enough to win Best Film? That hasn't happened in 20 years! They must really love Mexican films to do that!" I would have thought it would reflect well on BAFTA that they gave Best Film to a completely minority-driven movie like Roma instead of Green Book, but apparently not. SAG-AFTRA didn't nominate any individual actors from Roma or Parasite either. Do you think they're racist too? Or could it be that they're foreign language films and it's hard to pay full attention to the acting performances when you're reading subtitles?
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jan 12, 2020 23:54:00 GMT
Maybe because she's working in a fucking shop and doesn't wanna be there. You're making it sound like that's never happened to anyone else. It's happened to me. The simple fact is you clearly wanna be a victim. You have no right to tell me how I should feel about that incident. That is what happened and that gave her no right to treat the other person better. She worked in an upscale shop and should have treated each customer fairly. That's like saying Oprah was playing victim when some white lady wouldn't let her see the more expensive bag cause that woman thought she couldn't afford it. I have every right and I just told you that happened to me. You just want it to be a racist incident. Maybe it was but don't pretend to know what was going through that woman's head.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jan 13, 2020 0:00:52 GMT
Not really the ‘evidence’ I was looking for. how do you give Roma, which is a character driven story a win for best picture and you can't find one person to nominate in the film? Avatar at the Globes Roma at the Baftas Slumdog Millionaire at the Oscars Return of the King at the Oscars, Baftas and Globes Braveheart at the Oscars The Last Emperor at the Oscars
Probably a lot more that I can think of.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jan 13, 2020 0:26:57 GMT
I think the ask is, if reading rationally, more to provide some sort of rational reasoning why an awards body that for well over half a century has been repeatedly nominating non-white actors should have this hysterical outrage aimed at it because one year they ended up with a bunch of white nominees. If things can be done to broaden the scope of BAFTA voters then I for one am certainly not opposed to it. I just question why people have to make so big a deal out of so little a thing. Literally, one year and it's a god damn outrage. Also, again and again people are making this "I have a black friend" dismissal. What's the deal? Literally, one side is saying BAFTA has a race issue, the other side is saying BAFTA has (and they have, it's not a rumour or a theory) nominated people of numerous ethnicities over and over and over again for decades, and that's not an appropriate response... Why? Because they never nominated Washington and Freeman? Because in literally one year things got whitewashed? Can we get a level headed response to this? Why is pointing out that an institution being accused of discrimination has a long, long, long track record of being diverse to the point that we get laughable nominees like Freida Pinto not a legitimate counter point to this melodrama? Well, I don't understand how you give Parasite four nods like that and not one actor can score a nod? The same thing happened with Roma. I can understand if the movies were action packed and the characters were secondary but that is not the case with both of those films. I thought ROMA was a masterpiece and one of the Top 10 Films of the DECADE, but I wouldn't give it a single acting nomination either. It was a triumph of visual storytelling and filmmaking more than acting or even writing. PARASITE is an amazing film too, currently my #3 of last year though I still need to see 3 or 4 important films, but I'm not sure I give it any acting nods either. Maaaybe the Dad, but maybe not. Great ensemble, but no undeniably great performances and (again) really a triumph of storytelling/writing and directing more than acting. So, I feel those are weak examples. It's not common, but there are more than a few examples I can give even just this century alone of the best film of the year not having any performances worthy of nominations.
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Post by quetee on Jan 13, 2020 1:05:07 GMT
You have no right to tell me how I should feel about that incident. That is what happened and that gave her no right to treat the other person better. She worked in an upscale shop and should have treated each customer fairly. That's like saying Oprah was playing victim when some white lady wouldn't let her see the more expensive bag cause that woman thought she couldn't afford it. I have every right and I just told you that happened to me. You just want it to be a racist incident. Maybe it was but don't pretend to know what was going through that woman's head. it was a racist incident. End of story.
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Post by quetee on Jan 13, 2020 1:08:01 GMT
how do you give Roma, which is a character driven story a win for best picture and you can't find one person to nominate in the film? Avatar at the Globes Roma at the Baftas Slumdog Millionaire at the Oscars Return of the King at the Oscars, Baftas and Globes Braveheart at the Oscars The Last Emperor at the Oscars
Probably a lot more that I can think of.
most of those movies are not quite character driven films and the ones that are not action spectacles...um the ones you listed the actors were Asian.
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Post by quetee on Jan 13, 2020 1:12:13 GMT
Well, I don't understand how you give Parasite four nods like that and not one actor can score a nod? The same thing happened with Roma. I can understand if the movies were action packed and the characters were secondary but that is not the case with both of those films. I thought ROMA was a masterpiece and one of the Top 10 Films of the DECADE, but I wouldn't give it a single acting nomination either. It was a triumph of visual storytelling and filmmaking more than acting or even writing. PARASITE is an amazing film too, currently my #3 of last year though I still need to see 3 or 4 important films, but I'm not sure I give it any acting nods either. Maaaybe the Dad, but maybe not. Great ensemble, but no undeniably great performances and (again) really a triumph of storytelling/writing and directing more than acting. So, I feel those are weak examples. It's not common, but there are more than a few examples I can give even just this century alone of the best film of the year not having any performances worthy of nominations. there have been plenty of times where someone scored a nod for something lightweight. Look at Margot Robbie. If she gets in for Once...what the hell would even be her clip...
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jan 13, 2020 1:16:30 GMT
Avatar at the Globes Roma at the Baftas Slumdog Millionaire at the Oscars Return of the King at the Oscars, Baftas and Globes Braveheart at the Oscars The Last Emperor at the Oscars
Probably a lot more that I can think of.
most of those movies are not quite character driven films and the ones that are not action spectacles...um the ones you listed the actors were Asian. And? There are more that I can't think of. You have zero proof that they're racist yet you want to label them as such because that's what you do.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jan 13, 2020 1:17:49 GMT
I have every right and I just told you that happened to me. You just want it to be a racist incident. Maybe it was but don't pretend to know what was going through that woman's head. it was a racist incident. End of story. Yet you don't acknowledge that something similar happened to me. Was that a racist incident?
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Post by erickeitel on Jan 13, 2020 1:27:37 GMT
it was a racist incident. End of story. Yet you don't acknowledge that something similar happened to me. Was that a racist incident? The woman probably looked at you that way because you're you.
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Post by quetee on Jan 13, 2020 1:48:14 GMT
it was a racist incident. End of story. Yet you don't acknowledge that something similar happened to me. Was that a racist incident? I described in detail my incident. You said something similar happened. What happened? I'm not a mind reader.
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Post by quetee on Jan 13, 2020 1:52:48 GMT
most of those movies are not quite character driven films and the ones that are not action spectacles...um the ones you listed the actors were Asian. And? There are more that I can't think of. You have zero proof that they're racist yet you want to label them as such because that's what you do. Like I said before.....you can't prove racist when it comes to subjective. We are talking about performance s for Pete sake. We are not talking about incidents where companies give black people wrong test and that is the proof. So I point it out who cares just like you are always talking shitabout how something is not. I also see that you failed to comment on how I said they could be simply elitist assholes.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jan 13, 2020 2:25:38 GMT
Yet you don't acknowledge that something similar happened to me. Was that a racist incident? The woman probably looked at you that way because you're you. Gorgeous
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jan 13, 2020 2:27:34 GMT
Yet you don't acknowledge that something similar happened to me. Was that a racist incident? I described in detail my incident. You said something similar happened. What happened? I'm not a mind reader. A fella working at a till serving someone woman ahead being polite and smiley and then it comes to me and it's blank face and nothing. Except I don't take it personally.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jan 13, 2020 2:29:28 GMT
And? There are more that I can't think of. You have zero proof that they're racist yet you want to label them as such because that's what you do. Like I said before.....you can't prove racist when it comes to subjective. We are talking about performance s for Pete sake. We are not talking about incidents where companies give black people wrong test and that is the proof. So I point it out who cares just like you are always talking shitabout how something is not. I also see that you failed to comment on how I said they could be simply elitist assholes. What does elitism have to do with anything and what tests? You're talking absolute babble?
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 13, 2020 14:16:13 GMT
Looks like she'll definitely perform at the Oscars, though😂
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