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Post by phenix714 on Feb 27, 2017 6:03:50 GMT
Now that Moonlight is the BP winner, some thoughts: 1) Well, that should mitigate some of the La La Land backlash people already got started on. Which I'm at least happy about, a lot of the backlash struck me as really cynical and externally motivated rather than honestly addressing the film itself. 2) Huge boost for Moonlight's exposure, which is terrific but I'm afraid will also result in some backlash over this being a "political" win. I could also see it sadly being remembered more for the gigantic fuck-up with the BP presentation and being the movie that beat La La Land, which is unfortunate. 3) I wouldn't be surprised to see a million different thinkpieces and conspiracies on how this whole thing turned out. I can see it now: "the ending was a joke that the La La Land crew was in on," "since everyone assumed La La Land was the frontrunner people voted strategically to mess with the preferential ballot," "Ryan Gosling single-handedly saved Moonlight's chances just like he saved jazz," etc. Not sure I understand your last point, but I want to point out : Seb doesn't single handedly save Jazz. He is a metaphor for all the passionate artists who are doing the best they can to keep their dying artforms going.
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Post by michael128 on Feb 27, 2017 6:04:25 GMT
a quote from another forum
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Post by pendragon on Feb 27, 2017 6:04:37 GMT
I just don't see that happening. It's not that out of the realm of possibility for me to think it was a freak confluence of events and the people running the show were late on the draw because of the wild and unprecedented circumstances. I'm certain this is the case. Beatty's initial reaction seems to be befuddlement (but after Sean Penn did the same thing when he presented, people thought it was a joke). Unsure of what to do, as it would seem incredibly awkward to just stop in mid-presentation and say, "Um, we got the wrong envelope, guys," he showed it to Dunaway, ostensibly to let her know there was a problem, but Dunaway figured he probably wanted her to read it, and she read La La Land. Watching the clip again, it looks like it was the La La Land people who first discovered the mistake, so maybe it is real. Though where were the PwC people? Aren't they suppose to be waiting in the wings and correct any mistakes immediately?
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Post by The-Havok on Feb 27, 2017 6:04:40 GMT
Cabaret, Reds, Apollo 13, Brokeback Mountain, Gravity, Hillary Clinton, La La Land
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Post by avengingangel on Feb 27, 2017 6:05:02 GMT
Oscars so political is trending.
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Post by bing147 on Feb 27, 2017 6:05:23 GMT
Beatty did nothing wrong. Whatever producer handed them the wrong envelope messed up. Even Dunaway is an old woman with a million lights on her just reading what she can see. Nothing particularly wrong. That Beatty went back out there himself is a classy move.
I think it's also worth noting the reason it may have taken a bit longer to correct is that by design VERY few people know the actual winners. One of those few people would have needed to get to someone running the telecast to move them into action to stop it. Each person needed along the way likely has to be convinced for a moment that this is not a joke as well.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Feb 27, 2017 6:05:55 GMT
Now that Moonlight is the BP winner, some thoughts: 1) Well, that should mitigate some of the La La Land backlash people already got started on. Which I'm at least happy about, a lot of the backlash struck me as really cynical and externally motivated rather than honestly addressing the film itself. 2) Huge boost for Moonlight's exposure, which is terrific but I'm afraid will also result in some backlash over this being a "political" win. I could also see it sadly being remembered more for the gigantic fuck-up with the BP presentation and being the movie that beat La La Land, which is unfortunate. 3) I wouldn't be surprised to see a million different thinkpieces and conspiracies on how this whole thing turned out. I can see it now: "the ending was a joke that the La La Land crew was in on," "since everyone assumed La La Land was the frontrunner people voted strategically to mess with the preferential ballot," "Ryan Gosling single-handedly saved Moonlight's chances just like he saved jazz," etc. Not sure I understand your last point, but I want to point out : Seb doesn't single handedly save Jazz. He is a metaphor for all the passionate artists who are doing the best they can to keep their dying artforms going. I know that Seb doesn't single-handedly save jazz. Jazz isn't saved by the end of the film, period. It was a joke on how people have been saying that since the stupid backlash of La La Land started.
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Post by tenenbaumkingdom on Feb 27, 2017 6:07:53 GMT
God I love Albert Brooks. Albert Brooks is an American treasure.
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Post by forksforest on Feb 27, 2017 6:08:57 GMT
Agreed...that's why I'm finding it hard to be happy. I loved them both and early on, I wanted Moonlight to win between the two...but now it just feels like a purely political move, knowing how well loved La La Land has been. It feels like a repeat of 12YAS, except we knew 12YAS was more likely to win during that season. The thing I don't understand is, LLL is also a very political movie, maybe more than Moonlight. It stands against everything Trump represents. So, if they wanted to go political LLL would have been a very fitting choice as well. My feeling is La La Land just was a kind of divisive movie. It's not exactly new, a lot of people are meh about it and don't really get the dreamer/artist aspect, which is the emotional core of the movie. I don't agree that LLL is political, at all...or that it stands against anything. It's a movie about artists, ambitions/dreams...pretty simple in it's themes and not at all risky. I meant, political as in, fearing the backlash (about LLL being white-washed, lacking a bold message) and choosing Moonlight for its socially important message rather than choosing it because they genuinely preferred it as a film. If they had preferred Moonlight on its merits, then how did LLL sweep in literally every other award show? I guess I can't be too mad, at the end of the day, because I believed Moonlight deserved the BP award, I just don't feel like the Academy really agreed.
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Post by Christ_Ian_Bale on Feb 27, 2017 6:09:19 GMT
I don't know what made my night more, the BP surprise or reading the progression of the last few pages of this thread.
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Post by atn on Feb 27, 2017 6:12:08 GMT
I don't know what made my night more, the BP surprise or reading the progression of the last few pages of this thread. thread of the decade material
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Post by tonyz on Feb 27, 2017 6:12:40 GMT
La La Land should have won. Moonlight is a political win.
BUT I DON"T FUCKING CARE THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER!!!!
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Post by tonyz on Feb 27, 2017 6:13:01 GMT
I don't know what made my night more, the BP surprise or reading the progression of the last few pages of this thread. thread of the decade material Imagine this on IMDB...
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Post by Ghost on Feb 27, 2017 6:13:43 GMT
That's what happens when you don't nominate the best picture of the year, Silence.
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Post by phenix714 on Feb 27, 2017 6:18:13 GMT
It all boils down to miscommunication between the two. Just like the rest of us she interpreted his behavior as building suspense for the obvious winner so she barely even read the card and thought he was asking her to go ahead and jusy say it.
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Post by Kirk-Picard on Feb 27, 2017 6:18:18 GMT
They skipped an overrated movie to reward one of the most overrated movie of the year
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Post by phenix714 on Feb 27, 2017 6:28:48 GMT
The thing I don't understand is, LLL is also a very political movie, maybe more than Moonlight. It stands against everything Trump represents. So, if they wanted to go political LLL would have been a very fitting choice as well. My feeling is La La Land just was a kind of divisive movie. It's not exactly new, a lot of people are meh about it and don't really get the dreamer/artist aspect, which is the emotional core of the movie. I don't agree that LLL is political, at all...or that it stands against anything. It's a movie about artists, ambitions/dreams...pretty simple in it's themes and not at all risky. I meant, political as in, fearing the backlash (about LLL being white-washed, lacking a bold message) and choosing Moonlight for its socially important message rather than choosing it because they genuinely preferred it as a film. If they had preferred Moonlight on its merits, then how did LLL sweep in literally every other award show? I guess I can't be too mad, at the end of the day, because I believed Moonlight deserved the BP award, I just don't feel like the Academy really agreed. It's about dreamers, artists and rebels, which is the polar opposite of Trump, who is all about hate, fear and materialism. Many people have theorized even that the reason La La Land is so popular is because Trump just got president and it is pretty much the perfect anti Trump movie. To illustrate this, just imagine if every American had attended a screening of La La Land the evening before the election. Trump would never have gotten elected.
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Post by hitchcockblonde on Feb 27, 2017 6:33:57 GMT
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Post by The-Havok on Feb 27, 2017 6:36:26 GMT
I don't agree that LLL is political, at all...or that it stands against anything. It's a movie about artists, ambitions/dreams...pretty simple in it's themes and not at all risky. I meant, political as in, fearing the backlash (about LLL being white-washed, lacking a bold message) and choosing Moonlight for its socially important message rather than choosing it because they genuinely preferred it as a film. If they had preferred Moonlight on its merits, then how did LLL sweep in literally every other award show? I guess I can't be too mad, at the end of the day, because I believed Moonlight deserved the BP award, I just don't feel like the Academy really agreed. It's about dreamers, artists and rebels, which is the polar opposite of Trump, who is all about hate, fear and materialism. Many people have theorized even that the reason La La Land is so popular is because Trump just got president and it is pretty much the perfect anti Trump movie. To illustrate this, just imagine if every American had attended a screening of La La Land the evening before the election. Trump would never have gotten elected. That last sentence is probably the most moronic thing I've ever seen online. Incoming butthurt snark
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Post by atn on Feb 27, 2017 6:37:18 GMT
How many jokes about this do they have to make next year?
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Post by phenix714 on Feb 27, 2017 6:37:38 GMT
You don't think movies can have a psychological impact on people ?
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Post by Kirk-Picard on Feb 27, 2017 6:41:13 GMT
You don't think movies can have a psychological impact on people ? 6/14 It equalled All About Eve's record
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Post by The-Havok on Feb 27, 2017 6:42:23 GMT
Sure. Not on that level and considering the almost infinite possibilities of half of the American population being divisive about it.
I mean the fact that it lost an hour ago might tell you something
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Post by tonyz on Feb 27, 2017 6:44:23 GMT
That's what happens when you don't nominate the best picture of the year, Silence. Hahaha! It's revenge!
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 27, 2017 6:44:45 GMT
Sure. Not on that level and considering the almost infinite possibilities of half of the American population being divisive about it. I mean the fact that it lost an hour ago might tell you something Half the population? Where did you get that stat?
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