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Post by Good God on Feb 18, 2020 11:16:54 GMT
How would you counter arguments that you yourself know are right? I know you're delusional, but your desperation is a dead giveaway that even you know that my arguments are right. You often use the Paul Muni example for why Day-Lewis could be forgotten. But even you must know that the real reason Muni is forgotten is because he had no lasting masterpieces that audiences would still watch 50 years later. A problem that Washington will likely end up sharing.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 18, 2020 11:23:00 GMT
None of this is to argue that Washington is not the best actor of all time. That is completely subjective, and it's perfectly fair to believe Washington is the best actor ever. Washington is a great actor, in my opinion, and you could do much worse than him. But when you're trying to convince everybody that most people will end up considering him the GOAT, which is far-fetched at best and delusional at worst, these are hard questions that you'll have to confront and answer. And they're also questions I don't expect to hear the answers to, because you don't have them. You'll once again be reduced to making shit up about DMs and mental illnesses and racism; none of which actually exist This is the post of the year so far - and I don't think we're going to be seeing any more threads like this one from him ever again actually. Literally ever - he just knows it - he was like a blind man in darkened room looking for a dark hat that was never there in the first place anyway. When you reply "Oh I can't read it, too long - sorry!" well then you just know:
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 18, 2020 11:24:35 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 18, 2020 11:27:19 GMT
Hanks, Newman, Lemmon, De Niro, Dustin Hoffman, Hackman, Pacino, PSH, Brando, Bridges, Duvall, Scott, Nicholson.
That's 13 American guys with better filmographies based on Oscar nodded films and stronger comedic triumphs too. I left out James Stewart, Spencer Tracy, DiCaprio, Phoenix, I'm being nice. He loses to ALL 13 of the ones in bold for filmography on Oscar nods. They all have BP winners or multiple nods - more than Denzel who only has 2 BP nods for example - even PSH has 3 and he died 20 years younger (!) - get it? All 13 have BAFTA nods too - get it? Look at the thread you're in - you ever see anyone here start a thread like this? Nope........only one guy does..........pupdurcs .......not me....not ray......get it? What I'm saying is quite normal, Denzel has just 2 BP nominees - and 0 hit comedies or major award recognition for a comedy or a comedic box-office blockbuster even. It matters a lot especially when all his generational peers have it - Hanks has it, Bridges has it, even older actors like De Niro have it, Nicholson has it - and almost all the other 13 greats except Duvall I guess............ if there's a thread anywhere that calls Denzel Washington "the best" well, the work does not actually objectively justify that lofty praise does it (?) Not to me it doesn't .......He's in the top 15 Americans of all-time imo - which is great..........and he may go higher too he still is in the game.`In our poll which included all actors in all countries he finished 13th. All I get is that we were gently and briefly talking about a podcast that I'm looking to listen when you suddently came to claim that the discussion should be moved in another thread like if you really care about the "layout" of a Joe Carnahan topic in a thread section that has like 7 topics living on respiratory support. The painful reality is that the title of that 122 episodes podcast was too much for you to accept, you probably started to have some spasms so you had to do/say something and luckily Ray came to give you some meat to work with, asking you a simple question (Are Pupducrs and fiosnasiob the same person ?) that deserved a simple answer but god no, you used it to go on another gratuitous anti GOAT-Denzel rant as you often do because you sadly can't do otherwise, it's too hard for you and worse than that you started to claim that our votes on the GOAT poll shouldn't matter to really assess Denzel rank, wtf ? Who the F you think you are ? This insane obsession you have toward Denzel make you exceed all the limits. And now you are even using the BAFTA nods, really ? Few months ago you openned a thread asking (and pretty much agreeing) if Denzel having 0 BAFTA nods was the biggest anomally, the biggest WTF is major awards history (and none could give another case anywhere close to it) and now you try to use this anomally, this injustice I would even say, against him ? Anything is good to try to desperatly dissmiss him. Margot Robbie getting 2 BAFTA nods this year, wow, she must be such a phenomenal actress, her work in the Tarantino...Falconetti would be jealous. Or using (for exemple as you say) the all time record Lemmon for Golden Globes, when it's Nicole Kidman Golden Globes doesn't really matters, they are just a bunch of star fu/kers but now in Denzel's case they should matter ? And Denzel has a good amound of GG nominations anyway, I guess if he had more they wouldn't really matter because they would be just a bunch of stars fuckers. Matters when it serve your case, doesn't really matter when it doesn't serve your case. In IMDB times, talking with you about Denzel was good sport, sometimes it was intense but fun and yeah overall good sport as I said but now you are too obsessed, too desperate, no limits, etc... At this point, your opinion on Denzel is to me, the least significant on all internet. Now go take your pills and try to stop being such a weirdo. Well said. Not much more to add to be honest.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 18, 2020 11:32:45 GMT
How would you counter arguments that you yourself know are right? I know you're delusional, but your desperation is a dead giveaway that even you know that my arguments are right. You often use the Paul Muni example for why Day-Lewis could be forgotten. But even you must know that the real reason Muni is forgotten is because he had no lasting masterpieces that audiences would still watch 50 years later. A problem that Washington will likely end up sharing. You're being too kind - Muni had 2 BP in the same year and won BP for one of them. Washington can't compete with that - Muni was in more BP nominees than him too overall - when I say he has the worst BP filmography of any comparable actor, I really do mean "any"
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 18, 2020 11:47:27 GMT
As an aside, it's good to know the quality of an a actors filmography is decided by the amount of Best Picture nominated films they've been in. That's totally how cinephiles roll! I think someone should let Bradley Cooper know he's got a better filmography than Johnny Depp AND Denzel Washington. It's probably news to him as well, but BP nods clearly rule the day, and he's been in more than both Because those BP nods for those timeless classics like American Sniper and American Hustle totally outweigh those non-BP nominated duds that nobody remembers like Donnie Brasco, Ed Wood, Malcolm X, Glory, Training Day and Edward Scisccorhands.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Feb 18, 2020 11:50:38 GMT
And now you are even using the BAFTA nods, really ? Few months ago you openned a thread asking (and pretty much agreeing) if Denzel having 0 BAFTA nods was the biggest anomally, the biggest WTF is major awards history (and none could give another case anywhere close to it) and now you try to use this anomally, this injustice I would even say, against him ? And Denzel has a good amound of GG nominations anyway, I guess if he had more they wouldn't really matter because they would be just a bunch of stars fuckers. Matters when it serve your case, doesn't really matter when it doesn't serve your case.if you want me to argue "best" which is what this thread says well I don't think he is and have given FACTS that say why he is not in relation to - his weak overall filmography, his glaring lack of comedy, and some big award holes in his resume. He has other flaws but I didn't go into them, I just listed facts. You're welcome to argue those facts (which of course you can't, they're FACTS) or just say you like him better despite those facts - either is fine .....but don't lecture me when I'm just listing actual facts on the actual thread topic and I'm doing it as nicely as possible and said he's a top ~15 US film actor which I think is the biggest praise I've ever given him (?) I think we're done now............? I'm not arguing against those "facts", I'm arguing (and proving) about the way you dishonestly use them against Denzel to serve your cause. As for his filmo, I'm the first to say that it's weak for an actor of his caliber (but it's certainly not something I use to judge who is the best actor) but it's certainly not as awful as you claimed yesterday, that's you trying to make a big statement to piss off (mostly) Scrudpup (we all saw the circus of the last 4 months). But his overall filmo isn't weaker than someone like Ian McKellen, that you have called possibly the greatest living actor in the past or Glenn Close to whom you give utmost praises...but that's actress anyway. All in all, you just use these "facts" the way it serves you to dissmiss him in particular, nothing new under the sun. Yeah I think we're done, I exposed your completely disproportionate obsession and dishonesty well enough for this time and you picking a lone quote in what I say to try to save your a$$ won't change anything. Have an awful day and don't forget the red pills.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 18, 2020 12:04:53 GMT
No, not at all .......... Ian McKellen wouldn't be in Denzel Washington's league without McKellen's stage work - I was comparing Denzel's film work only obviously since it was about Oscar BP (wtf) - and Glenn Close who indeed is an actress not an actor (Um) - but she has been in THREE BP's off the top of my head anyway so he loses there too. Nice try/not really ........weakest filmography of any comparable male actor ever of his stature in films - indisputably, obviously, inarguably and speaking as a 'Zel fan ........sadly.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Feb 18, 2020 12:19:11 GMT
No, not at all .......... Ian McKellen wouldn't be in Denzel Washington's league without McKellen's stage work - I was comparing Denzel's film work only obviously since it was about Oscar BP (wtf) - and Glenn Close who indeed is an actress not an actor (Um) - but she has been in THREE BP's off the top of my head anyway so he loses there too. Nice try/not really ........weakest filmography of any comparable male actor ever of his stature in films - indisputably, obviously, inarguably and speaking as a 'Zel fan ........sadly. Stop acting dumb to try to save your a$$ again, it's about overall filmography quality not BP only (wtf). Many people would argue that Glory and Malcolm X deserved to have BP nods, does that would change the quality of the movie ? Does that would have make Denzel a better actor ? Stop being (acting) dumb for god's sake. And you have see THAT many not filmed stage works from Ian McKellen to call him "Possibly the greatest living actor" ?
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 18, 2020 12:40:01 GMT
Stop acting dumb to try to save your a$$ again, it's about overall filmography quality not BP only (wtf). Many people would argue that Glory and Malcolm X deserved to have BP nods, does that would change the quality of the movie ? Does that would have make Denzel a better actor ? Stop being (acting) dumb for god's sake. And you have see THAT many not filmed stage works from Ian McKellen to call him "Possibly the greatest living actor" ? I already answered this - here are the 13 or more but let's be nice and say 13 American actors who beat him in BP filmography and who are of his stature in movies - he may be a better actor than some, he maybe be worse than some imo - but below is the fact I already posted. Ian McKellen is not of Denzel Washington's film stature - he may be a better actor but he's not........Gary Oldman isn't of his stature either and he may be a better actor too. That's an entirely different argument to what was said. Stop moving the goal posts - the fact here - and it is a fact - is that he has only 2 BP nominees - the least of any of these 13 - this fact and his relative failure at comedy really are huge weak points in assessing him. How many times do I have to repeat it? It doesn't make me happy to say it, but I live in the real world not this fantasy world of Denzel Washington is the greatest actor ever period BS ........his career does not warrant that lofty praise. Ymmv. Hanks, Newman, Lemmon, De Niro, Dustin Hoffman, Hackman, Pacino, PSH, Brando, Bridges, Duvall, Scott, Nicholson.
That's 13 American guys with better filmographies based on Oscar nodded films and stronger comedic triumphs too. I left out James Stewart, Spencer Tracy, DiCaprio, Phoenix, I'm being nice.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Feb 18, 2020 12:51:52 GMT
As an aside, it's good to know the quality of an a actors filmography is decided by the amount of Best Picture nominated films they've been in. That's totally how cinephiles roll! I think someone should let Bradley Cooper know he's got a better filmography than Johnny Depp AND Denzel Washington. It's probably news to him as well, but BP nods clearly rule the day, and he's been in more than both Because those BP nods for those timeless classics like American Sniper and American Hustle totally outweigh those non-BP nominated duds that nobody remembers like Donnie Brasco, Ed Wood, Malcolm X, Glory, Training Day and Edward Scisccorhands.
Don’t forget he needs a comedy blockbuster as well.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 18, 2020 12:51:59 GMT
No, not at all .......... Ian McKellen wouldn't be in Denzel Washington's league without McKellen's stage work - I was comparing Denzel's film work only obviously since it was about Oscar BP (wtf) - and Glenn Close who indeed is an actress not an actor (Um) - but she has been in THREE BP's off the top of my head anyway so he loses there too. Nice try/not really ........weakest filmography of any comparable male actor ever of his stature in films - indisputably, obviously, inarguably and speaking as a 'Zel fan ........sadly. Stop acting dumb to try to save your a$$ again, it's about overall filmography quality not BP only (wtf). Many people would argue that Glory and Malcolm X deserved to have BP nods, does that would change the quality of the movie ? Does that would have make Denzel a better actor ? Stop being (acting) dumb for god's sake. And you have see THAT many not filmed stage works from Ian McKellen to call him "Possibly the greatest living actor" ? I know it's awful tempting to answer back, and it's up to you, but I think you should maybe stop entertaining this guy for now. You made your points very well, everyone knows exactly what's going on. As you said, his opinion on this doesn't matter and isn't particularly credible anymore. No need to keep giving it oxygen.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 18, 2020 12:56:27 GMT
I know it's awful tempting to answer back, and it's up to you, but I think you should maybe stop entertaining this guy for now. You made your points very well, everyone knows exactly what's going on. As you said, his opinion on this doesn't matter and isn't particularly credible anymore. No need to keep giving it oxygen.Opinion wasn't given here, only facts - 2 BP nominees the least of any male actor of his stature - if we were arguing opinion I could list several more but his filmography and comedy are merely facts - as of February 18th 2020 and at the age of 65 after a 30+ year film career. That's "what's going on"........
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 18, 2020 12:57:52 GMT
I apologise for turning you into this
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 18, 2020 13:05:53 GMT
Because those BP nods for those timeless classics like American Sniper and American Hustle totally outweigh those non-BP nominated duds that nobody remembers like Donnie Brasco, Ed Wood, Malcolm X, Glory, Training Day and Edward Scisccorhands.
Don’t forget he needs a comedy blockbuster as well. I see now we're equating Bradley Cooper an actor not listed in the 13 - an actor with half the work and still in the peak of his career and yet who doubled Washington's BP totals in 1 decade - to Denzel Washington? He's closer to Cooper's filmography than he is to say Paul Newman or Jack Nicholson.......... and Cooper doubled him already with 4 BP's and tops him in comedy too with SLP alone. The question is not is Denzel Washington a better actor than Bradley Cooper - the question is why does his weak filmography and lesser comedy work not stand up to actors who are arguably equally great or even greater than him? Still waiting.......
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 18, 2020 13:08:57 GMT
Why these three Denzel Fanatics came at the same time? Very suspicious Sad to see that you"ve turned into a pacinoyes ball-licker/back-up dancer, just because I busted your balls the other day. It wasn't personal kid. Get over it. I've never respected you (no offense). Frankly, I don't think you are particularly intelligent. But I always gave you credit for at least being your own man, as stupid as that man may be. It's sad to see the only admirable quality I thought you had....disappear. Come back Ray. Be your own man again. I have faith in you. You can do it.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 18, 2020 13:12:21 GMT
Why these three Denzel Fanatics came at the same time? Very suspicious It's the same 3 who voted him #1 which is fine but those 3 just can't say "You know pacinoyes - that's interesting, I never looked at his weaknesses before" Never looking at his weaknesses - and there's a bunch more if we brought opinion into it - is why Joe Carnahan can call him "the greatest living actor when a whole lot of actors are "living" and that's why this thread is so hilariously wrong ................I mean - it's THIS guys fault:
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 18, 2020 13:17:09 GMT
Why these three Denzel Fanatics came at the same time? Very suspicious I've never respected you (no offense). Frankly, I don't think you are particularly intelligent. But I always gave you credit for at least being your own man, as stupid as that man may be. It's sad to see the only admirable quality I thought you had....disappear. That's ok, we'll always your mushy feelings from 2017:
February 27, 2017 at 12:06 : distain (pupdurcs) posted on Gold Derby:
“God I miss people like pacinoyes”
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 18, 2020 13:23:36 GMT
It is, what it is.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 18, 2020 13:36:30 GMT
and what it is, is severe mental illness I guess: "Denzel wins Fandango moviegoer Oscar poll" - thread topic started by "distain" on Gold Derby - aka pupdurcs on Feb 21 2017.We really don't want to go down this path .........next up: "Distain" posting The Oscars faked the wrong BP being announced to deflect attention from Affleck stealing the Oscar from Denzel. Everyone remember that? Yeah..........that actually happened.........shudder.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 18, 2020 13:42:25 GMT
and what it is, is severe mental illness I guess: "Denzel wins Fandango moviegoer Oscar poll" - thread topic started by "distain" on Gold Derby - aka pupdurcs on Feb 21 2017.We really don't want to go down this path .........next up: "Distain" posting The Oscars faked the wrong BP being announced to deflect attention from Affleck stealing the Oscar from Denzel. Everyone remember that? Yeah..........that actually happened.........shudder. Mmmm....tasty, slurpy balls!!!
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Post by fiosnasiob on Feb 18, 2020 13:46:34 GMT
Stop acting dumb to try to save your a$$ again, it's about overall filmography quality not BP only (wtf). Many people would argue that Glory and Malcolm X deserved to have BP nods, does that would change the quality of the movie ? Does that would have make Denzel a better actor ? Stop being (acting) dumb for god's sake. And you have see THAT many not filmed stage works from Ian McKellen to call him "Possibly the greatest living actor" ? I already answered this - here are the 13 or more but let's be nice and say 13 American actors who beat him in BP filmography and who are of his stature in movies - he may be a better actor than some, he maybe be worse than some imo - but below is the fact I already posted. Ian McKellen is not of Denzel Washington's film stature - he may be a better actor but he's not........Gary Oldman isn't of his stature either and he may be a better actor too. That's an entirely different argument to what was said. Stop moving the goal posts - the fact here - and it is a fact - is that he has only 2 BP nominees - the least of any of these 13 - this fact and his relative failure at comedy really are huge weak points in assessing him. How many times do I have to repeat it? It doesn't make me happy to say it, but I live in the real world not this fantasy world of Denzel Washington is the greatest actor ever period BS ........his career does not warrant that lofty praise. Ymmv. Hanks, Newman, Lemmon, De Niro, Dustin Hoffman, Hackman, Pacino, PSH, Brando, Bridges, Duvall, Scott, Nicholson.
That's 13 American guys with better filmographies based on Oscar nodded films and stronger comedic triumphs too. I left out James Stewart, Spencer Tracy, DiCaprio, Phoenix, I'm being nice.You simply can't even answer about things that you have affirmed before because it will looks awfully contradictory to what you try to claim today and your bias toward Denzel will be even more evident (and it's already shinning bright like a diamond). I exposed your BS on BAFTA, Globes and now on filmography and you are fooling anybody here, this filmography thing is a relatively new thing for you as the obsessed weirdo than you are is always trying to find a new angle to dismiss Mr Washington. Pupdurc, don't worry, I had some time to waste today, I'm fine and I'm done anyway. I exposed this moron the way he needed, all he got is But but b....ut they have more BP !!!! (he has done well for himself on comedy, hell, even on Shakespearean comedy, Much Ado...) Pacinoyes of early imdb time would roll his eyes as such a pathetic defense to assess who's the best ACTOR, that's the reality. Time is not good on everybody... Done.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 18, 2020 14:01:20 GMT
Pacinoyes of early imdb time would roll his eyes as such a pathetic defense to assess who's the best ACTOR, that's the reality. Time is not good on everybody... Done. pacinoyes of early imdb time said the exact same thing actually - you just don't remember it. I've always said I assess actors by a series of checklists - you don't have to have all of them - no actor is perfect - but when you're missing big, obvious things completely, it sticks out. He's hindered by filmography, comedic work and 1 major award entirely ..........that's pretty obvious, he has other things in his favor and he's a top 15 all-time American - at least as a star ("greatest" as opposed to "best") - and he may go even higher as he gets older but that's 30+ years of film and he's 65 years old........it's not a small sample size.........not sure how much nicer I can be to him. To be nicer is to live in a fantasy world............your world.
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Post by TerryMontana on Feb 18, 2020 14:06:32 GMT
I usually disagree with Pupdurcs, especially with his opinion that Denzel is the goat but I don't think he has such a weak filmography.
Imo he's not even the greatest of his era and there are some actors of his age that have much better films (Hanks, Harris, Bridges) but his filmography is quite good. Movies such as Glory, Malcolm X, Hurricane, Philadelphia, Training Day, Inside Man, Flight, Cry Freedom... You don't call that weak. BP Oscar or no BP Oscar.
Certainly I can't even start comparing them with films other actors have made, older in age or even deceased ones but his filmography is quite strong imo.
And of course his acting skills are great.
Just my opinion, don't mind me. Keep doing what you doing...
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 18, 2020 14:12:53 GMT
I usually disagree with Pupdurcs, especially with his opinion that Denzel is the goat but I don't think he has such a weak filmography. Imo he's not even the greatest of his era and there are some actors of his age that have much better films (Hanks, Harris, Bridges) but his filmography is quite good. Movies such as Glory, Malcolm X, Hurricane, Philadelphia, Training Day, Inside Man, Flight, Cry Freedom... You don't call that weak. BP Oscar or no BP Oscar. Certainly I can't even start comparing them with films other actors have made, older in age or even deceased ones but his filmography is quite strong imo. And of course his acting skills are great. Just my opinion, don't mind me. Keep doing what you doing... Thanks....I think The whole "awful filmography" thing is such a weird counterintuitive angle to go with to delegitimise him, but desperate times call for desperate measures I guess. When you are on a crusade, you'll say any old shit and hope it sticks
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