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Post by countjohn on Mar 13, 2018 2:06:38 GMT
The problem with this is that he said "by far". I think saying anyone is "by far" the best living actor is generally just silly with all the talented people who are still alive.
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Post by cherry68 on Mar 13, 2018 6:15:34 GMT
pupdurcsProbably Carnahan realized that next time he'll try to hire an actor they'll be like, no thanks, I don't want to wipe floors in your premises... Anyway, who could not love Gary? 😍
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 31, 2020 8:42:57 GMT
@carnojoe Account suspended Twitter suspends accounts which violate the Twitter RulesDon't know if anybody actually follows this account and I make fun of it a lot but he really has melted down even more lately, not even for his batsh it movie opinions but for a kind of insane political bullying (to put it very mildly) in recent weeks - not an ordinary Twitter suspension ........scary stuff with Joe lately. Can't think of another celebrity that out of control as him on social media (?)
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Post by fiosnasiob on Feb 17, 2020 20:20:39 GMT
Has any of you guys been listening to this awesomely titled podcast ? They already reached Episode #122 and it has featured several comedians, actors and filmmakers as guest hosts. I always hesitated to start it, lack of time and maybe a lack of English skills (I prefer to see while listening things) but I want to start listening to some english podcasts while doing other stuffs from time to time, reviews are great and it's Denzel (and beyond)...so I might give it a try.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 17, 2020 20:50:02 GMT
Has any of you guys been listening to this awesomely titled podcast ? They already reached Episode #122 and it has featured several comedians, actors and filmmakers as guest hosts. I always hesitated to start it, lack of time and maybe a lack of English skills (I prefer to see while listening things) but I want to start listening to some english podcasts while doing other stuffs from time to time, reviews are great and it's Denzel (and beyond)...so I might give it a try. It's a great podcast. I've listened to about 75% of it, and they do indeed make a great case as to why Denzel should be considered the GOAT. It's tongue in cheek and irreverent....but there's no question they believe Washington should be regarded as the best actor of all time, and go to great lengths as to analyse why. They also covered how strong and diverse his filmography is, and sometimes dovetailed into more social and political matters that only had a tangential relation to Washington. The calibre of guests they got on was pretty exceptional. Vincent D'Onofrio was on one episode talking about how it was one of the most important moments of his career for Denzel to acknowledge him as an actor.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Feb 17, 2020 22:26:34 GMT
Thanks for your thoughts, sounds good. As for guests, I'm particularly interested by new Hollywood talents like Ryan Coogler and Ava DuVernay (especially) giving their views on all of this, I will probably start by their podcasts.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 17, 2020 22:33:57 GMT
Should today's new posts just be moved to the podcasts thread in Other? Doesn't matter but just sayin' this doesn't sound like anything related to Joe Carnahan?
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 17, 2020 22:38:26 GMT
Thanks for your thoughts, sounds good. As for guests, I'm particularly interested by new Hollywood talents like Ryan Coogler and Ava DuVernay (especially) giving their views on all of this, I will probably start by their podcasts. The podcast has started up recently again after a hiatus from the hosts where they went off to do other projects. I actually think Joe Caranhan would make a brilliant guest for the show as his opinions on Washington dovetail quite neatly into what they are analysing.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 17, 2020 22:55:01 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 17, 2020 23:01:01 GMT
Are Pupducrs and fiosnasiob the same person? You really want to start with me again after I humiliated you on the male/female actor chemistry thread? Lucky for you the mods deleted the exchange. You are either very brave or very stupid
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 17, 2020 23:04:14 GMT
Why is my conversation with fiosnasiob making people salty Fucking weird man!
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 17, 2020 23:18:12 GMT
Are Pupducrs and fiosnasiob the same person? Well they were 2 of Denzel's 3 "#1 votes" in our GOAT of all-time poll (he finished 13th, too high - take those votes out ........he'd be just right) - so if they are the same person that's sad ........ On the other hand I want to hear this podcast now because I'm REALLY curious if he's "the best actor ever period" how do they cover up that spotty filmography of his, his lack of comedic successes and um 0 BAFTA nods and you know Jack Lemmon for example has more than double the Golden Globe nods (22 to 9) so that has to be an amazing podcast to cover up those facts....... You ever hear an argument explaining those things in Denzel's favor from any of those people that voted him "#1"..........nope......and you never will because those things are big f'n gaps in his resume. They just "like" him.......that's all.
Which is fine - everyone can like whoever they like .............but Denzel fans lose touch with reality over it .......
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 17, 2020 23:24:50 GMT
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Post by fiosnasiob on Feb 18, 2020 0:08:16 GMT
Pacinoyes, stop thinking that you are the grand master of acting discussions or that you have the official ranking list of actors at home, it's ridiculous. Our GOAT poll (that you use endlessy) is what it is, there is no "take those votes out ........he'd be just right", you need everything in these polls, the ones who dislike, the ones who are indifferents, the ones who like, the one who love, the ones who are hardcore fans, results came from all of this.
The thing is the same (but get so much worse now) since always, you can't stand when someone rank Denzel on the same level (or better) as your favorites, you CAN"T STAND IT to an absolutely insane, irrational degree now, it's waaaaay too much, it's disproportionate really. You actually rank him higher than many on here and yet we only have problems with you because you are the only one who doesn't act normally. It's like a matter of life and death for you to consistently tell people how he's not that good, otherwise it seems like you can't breathe. You can't accept and respect other opinion (well, THIS opinion) but sadly for you, there are a tons of people who rank Denzel as the GOAT, it is what it is and frankly, it shouldn't irritate you that much. There was a time where you were smart and wise about it but now...you don't give a s/it about being smart or being "too much" but honestly, you are just ridiculous at this point. I have been out of it for a moment and what I saw on these boards during the last 4 months or so, to me, you probably need a medical help.
And you perfectly know that Pupducrs and myself aren't the same person but as I say, at this point....you don't give a s/it. Your previous signature (I don't get the new one but I don't get a lot of thing coming from you these days) wasn't far from being real, I almost miss Pacinoyes from IMDB..
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 18, 2020 1:40:42 GMT
You actually rank him higher than many on here and yet we only have problems with you because you are the only one who doesn't act normally. Hanks, Newman, Lemmon, De Niro, Dustin Hoffman, Hackman, Pacino, PSH, Brando, Bridges, Duvall, Scott, Nicholson.
That's 13 American guys with better filmographies based on Oscar nodded films and stronger comedic triumphs too. I left out James Stewart, Spencer Tracy, DiCaprio, Phoenix, I'm being nice. He loses to ALL 13 of the ones in bold for filmography on Oscar nods. They all have BP winners or multiple nods - more than Denzel who only has 2 BP nods for example - even PSH has 3 and he died 20 years younger (!) - get it? All 13 have BAFTA nods too - get it? Look at the thread you're in - you ever see anyone here start a thread like this? Nope........only one guy does..........pupdurcs .......not me....not ray......get it? What I'm saying is quite normal, Denzel has just 2 BP nominees - and 0 hit comedies or major award recognition for a comedy or a comedic box-office blockbuster even. It matters a lot especially when all his generational peers have it - Hanks has it, Bridges has it, even older actors like De Niro have it, Nicholson has it - and almost all the other 13 greats except Duvall I guess............ if there's a thread anywhere that calls Denzel Washington "the best" well, the work does not actually objectively justify that lofty praise does it (?) Not to me it doesn't .......He's in the top 15 Americans of all-time imo - which is great..........and he may go higher too he still is in the game.`In our poll which included all actors in all countries he finished 13th.
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Post by quetee on Feb 18, 2020 3:58:58 GMT
I guess i dont understand this conversation. Anyway, exactly how many bp nods have there been over the course of Denzels's career with black leads? He has not had the same opportunity as his counterparts. Period.
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Post by Good God on Feb 18, 2020 4:54:25 GMT
I guess i dont understand this conversation. Anyway, exactly how many bp nods have there been over the course of Denzels's career with black leads? He has not had the same opportunity as his counterparts. Period. Race has become a very convenient excuse for Denzel Washington apologists, but he even lags behind a lot of black actors (in many ways and not just by Best Picture nominations) when it comes to his filmography. - Sidney Poitier has been in 4 Best Picture nominees - Morgan Freeman has been in 4 Best Picture nominees - Forest Whitaker has been in 4 Best Picture nominees - Mahershala Ali has been in 4 Best Picture nominees - Laurence Fishburne has been in 3 Best Picture nominees - Samuel Jackson has been in 3 Best Picture nominees I think you'd agree that Washington has had better opportunities than all of those actors that have appeared in more Best Picture nominees. When even Daniel Kaluuya (who is less than half the age of Washington) matches him in terms of Best Picture nominees, you know race isn't a valid excuse.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 18, 2020 5:25:35 GMT
Pacinoyes, stop thinking that you are the grand master of acting discussions or that you have the official ranking list of actors at home, it's ridiculous. Our GOAT poll (that you use endlessy) is what it is, there is no "take those votes out ........he'd be just right", you need everything in these polls, the ones who dislike, the ones who are indifferents, the ones who like, the one who love, the ones who are hardcore fans, results came from all of this. The thing is the same (but get so much worse now) since always, you can't stand when someone rank Denzel on the same level (or better) as your favorites, you CAN"T STAND IT to an absolutely insane, irrational degree now, it's waaaaay too much, it's disproportionate really. You actually rank him higher than many on here and yet we only have problems with you because you are the only one who doesn't act normally. It's like a matter of life and death for you to consistently tell people how he's not that good, otherwise it seems like you can't breathe. You can't accept and respect other opinion (well, THIS opinion) but sadly for you, there are a tons of people who rank Denzel as the GOAT, it is what it is and frankly, it shouldn't irritate you that much. There was a time where you were smart and wise about it but now...you don't give a s/it about being smart or being "too much" but honestly, you are just ridiculous at this point. I have been out of it for a moment and what I saw on these boards during the last 4 months or so, to me, you probably need a medical help.
And you perfectly know that Pupducrs and myself aren't the same person but as I say, at this point....you don't give a s/it. Your previous signature (I don't get the new one but I don't get a lot of thing coming from you these days) wasn't far from being real, I almost miss Pacinoyes from IMDB.. The highlighted part of your statement is precisely why I don't waste my time debating him on this subject anymore. It's just hard to take seriously at this point. I've had several DM's from people who feel much the same, but don't want to make a scene about it or start any drama, which is understandable.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Feb 18, 2020 9:29:30 GMT
You actually rank him higher than many on here and yet we only have problems with you because you are the only one who doesn't act normally. Hanks, Newman, Lemmon, De Niro, Dustin Hoffman, Hackman, Pacino, PSH, Brando, Bridges, Duvall, Scott, Nicholson.
That's 13 American guys with better filmographies based on Oscar nodded films and stronger comedic triumphs too. I left out James Stewart, Spencer Tracy, DiCaprio, Phoenix, I'm being nice. He loses to ALL 13 of the ones in bold for filmography on Oscar nods. They all have BP winners or multiple nods - more than Denzel who only has 2 BP nods for example - even PSH has 3 and he died 20 years younger (!) - get it? All 13 have BAFTA nods too - get it? Look at the thread you're in - you ever see anyone here start a thread like this? Nope........only one guy does..........pupdurcs .......not me....not ray......get it? What I'm saying is quite normal, Denzel has just 2 BP nominees - and 0 hit comedies or major award recognition for a comedy or a comedic box-office blockbuster even. It matters a lot especially when all his generational peers have it - Hanks has it, Bridges has it, even older actors like De Niro have it, Nicholson has it - and almost all the other 13 greats except Duvall I guess............ if there's a thread anywhere that calls Denzel Washington "the best" well, the work does not actually objectively justify that lofty praise does it (?) Not to me it doesn't .......He's in the top 15 Americans of all-time imo - which is great..........and he may go higher too he still is in the game.`In our poll which included all actors in all countries he finished 13th. All I get is that we were gently and briefly talking about a podcast that I'm looking to listen when you suddently came to claim that the discussion should be moved in another thread like if you really care about the "layout" of a Joe Carnahan topic in a thread section that has like 7 topics living on respiratory support. The painful reality is that the title of that 122 episodes podcast was too much for you to accept, you probably started to have some spasms so you had to do/say something and luckily Ray came to give you some meat to work with, asking you a simple question (Are Pupducrs and fiosnasiob the same person ?) that deserved a simple answer but god no, you used it to go on another gratuitous anti GOAT-Denzel rant as you often do because you sadly can't do otherwise, it's too hard for you and worse than that you started to claim that our votes on the GOAT poll shouldn't matter to really assess Denzel rank, wtf ? Who the F you think you are ? This insane obsession you have toward Denzel make you exceed all the limits. And now you are even using the BAFTA nods, really ? Few months ago you openned a thread asking (and pretty much agreeing) if Denzel having 0 BAFTA nods was the biggest anomally, the biggest WTF is major awards history (and none could give another case anywhere close to it) and now you try to use this anomally, this injustice I would even say, against him ? Anything is good to try to desperatly dissmiss him. Margot Robbie getting 2 BAFTA nods this year, wow, she must be such a phenomenal actress, her work in the Tarantino...Falconetti would be jealous. Or using (for exemple as you say) the all time record Lemmon for Golden Globes, when it's Nicole Kidman Golden Globes doesn't really matters, they are just a bunch of star fu/kers but now in Denzel's case they should matter ? And Denzel has a good amound of GG nominations anyway, I guess if he had more they wouldn't really matter because they would be just a bunch of stars fuckers. Matters when it serve your case, doesn't really matter when it doesn't serve your case. In IMDB times, talking with you about Denzel was good sport, sometimes it was intense but fun and yeah overall good sport as I said but now you are too obsessed, too desperate, no limits, etc... At this point, your opinion on Denzel is to me, the least significant on all internet. Now go take your pills and try to stop being such a weirdo.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 18, 2020 9:44:40 GMT
I guess i dont understand this conversation. Anyway, exactly how many bp nods have there been over the course of Denzels's career with black leads? He has not had the same opportunity as his counterparts. Period. Race has become a very convenient excuse for Denzel Washington apologists, but he even lags behind a lot of black actors (in many ways and not just by Best Picture nominations) when it comes to his filmography. - Sidney Poitier has been in 4 Best Picture nominees - Morgan Freeman has been in 4 Best Picture nominees - Forest Whitaker has been in 4 Best Picture nominees - Mahershala Ali has been in 4 Best Picture nominees - Laurence Fishburne has been in 3 Best Picture nominees - Samuel Jackson has been in 3 Best Picture nominees I think you'd agree that Washington has had better opportunities than all of those actors that have appeared in more Best Picture nominees. When even Daniel Kaluuya (who is less than half the age of Washington) matches him in terms of Best Picture nominees, you know race isn't a valid excuse. Yes and think of this also: Denzel Washington's son is extremely likely to be in 2 BP nominees - as a lead in both - after 2020 and he's made like 5 movies in his career - that equals his father's total. Think of that for a minute - 'Zel's filmography is obviously weak .........he can improve it sure - he can maybe be in 5 in the next 5 years who knows? - but right now, it's a huge, obvious gap in his career and its a big reason why he doesn't get BAFTA nods too. The misrepresentation of his career is hilarious and somewhat offensive - he can be a marvelous actor AND be black (I think he is) but he's not THAT marvelous an actor and it's not because he's black......see above.....
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Post by Good God on Feb 18, 2020 9:58:00 GMT
Poop Scrud has dedicated his life to stanning Washington and disparaging all the actors he perceives as "competition" to Washington, and he gets his posts liked by a certain someone. People respond to those ubiquitous arguments and offer counterpoints and their arguments are shot down and called mentally ill. Certain Washington stans need to get their heads out of their asses.
If you don't like hearing opposing arguments, stop inundating this forum with thread topics about what every single nobody has ever said about Washington. PTA has called De Niro the best actor around and DiCaprio has basically called him the greatest actor ever, but you don't see people making threads about those quotes and writing passages dissing Pacino and Nicholson to try and prop up De Niro. And yet there is a dedicated thread about how Washington shits over everybody else because Blow Barnaman said so. Poop Scrud is literally the only poster that does this shit, and that's exactly why people are even making arguments against Washington. Is there any other poster on this forum posting this obsessively about another actor? Nope. Is there any other poster that constantly disparages a lot of this board's favorite actors like De Niro, Pacino, Hanks, and DiCaprio? Nope. So why is anybody surprised that Poop Scrud is the only poster that gets blowback for his nonsense? Pacinoyes used to diss De Niro on the regular to try and prop up Pacino, and I had similar exchanges with him back on IMDb. If Ray was making thread after thread about how Nicholson is the GOAT and that he shits all over De Niro and Day-Lewis, he'd be getting blowback too. This isn't complicated.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 18, 2020 10:08:50 GMT
And now you are even using the BAFTA nods, really ? Few months ago you openned a thread asking (and pretty much agreeing) if Denzel having 0 BAFTA nods was the biggest anomally, the biggest WTF is major awards history (and none could give another case anywhere close to it) and now you try to use this anomally, this injustice I would even say, against him ? And Denzel has a good amound of GG nominations anyway, I guess if he had more they wouldn't really matter because they would be just a bunch of stars fuckers. Matters when it serve your case, doesn't really matter when it doesn't serve your case.if you want me to argue "best" which is what this thread says well I don't think he is and have given FACTS that say why he is not in relation to - his weak overall filmography, his glaring lack of comedy, and some big award holes in his resume. He has other flaws but I didn't go into them, I just listed facts. You're welcome to argue those facts (which of course you can't, they're FACTS) or just say you like him better despite those facts - either is fine .....but don't lecture me when I'm just listing actual facts on the actual thread topic and I'm doing it as nicely as possible and said he's a top ~15 US film actor which I think is the biggest praise I've ever given him (?) I think we're done now............?
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 18, 2020 10:23:42 GMT
Poop Scrud has dedicated his life to stanning Washington and disparaging all the actors he perceives as "competition" to Washington, and he gets his posts liked by a certain someone. People respond to those ubiquitous arguments and offer counterpoints and their arguments are shot down and called mentally ill. Certain Washington stans need to get their heads out of their asses. If you don't like hearing opposing arguments, stop inundating this forum with thread topics about what every single nobody has ever said about Washington. PTA has called De Niro the best actor around and DiCaprio has basically called him the greatest actor ever, but you don't see people making threads about those quotes and writing passages dissing Pacino and Nicholson to try and prop up De Niro. And yet there is a dedicated thread about how Washington shits over everybody else because Blow Barnaman said so. Poop Scrud is literally the only poster that does this shit, and that's exactly why people are even making arguments against Washington. Is there any other poster on this forum posting this obsessively about another actor? Nope. Is there any other poster that constantly disparages a lot of this board's favorite actors like De Niro, Pacino, Hanks, and DiCaprio? Nope. So why is anybody surprised that Poop Scrud is the only poster that gets blowback for his nonsense? Pacinoyes used to diss De Niro on the regular to try and prop up Pacino, and I had similar exchanges with him back on IMDb. If Ray was making thread after thread about how Nicholson is the GOAT and that he shits all over De Niro and Day-Lewis, he'd be getting blowback too. This isn't complicated. You and Pacinoyes (who posts about Pacino as often, if not more than I post about Denzel, by the by. Good for him) are the only posters obsessed with what I think about or say about Denzel to what I consider to be a massively unhealthy degree. Two people running after me for years on end for posting about my favorite actor isn't "blowback". It's stalking (to be fair, I only consider you to be a full blown stalker. Pacinoyes was fairly normal once and has become bizarrely unhinged recently for some reason). I think you both have mental health problems that fixate on either myself or Washington, but it is what it is. I'm not a shrink, so it aint my problem. I think even you know the optics of how bad this is starting to look, hence your frenzied defense of the indefensible. But people are not blind or dumb. People see exactly what's going on....I'm happy to sit back and let you and Pacinoyes keep self-destructing on this ( though I actually think you may be capable of stopping this behavior, not sure if Pac can). It's car-crash viewing, and I've got a front row seat with the popcorn
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Post by Good God on Feb 18, 2020 10:54:39 GMT
You and Pacinoyes (who posts about Pacino as often, if not more than I post about Denzel, by the by. Good for him) are the only posters obsessed with what I think about or say about Denzel to what I consider to be a massively unhealthy degree. Two people running after me for years on end for posting about my favorite actor isn't "blowback". It's stalking (to be fair, I only consider you to be a full blown stalker. Pacinoyes was fairly normal once and has become bizarrely unhinged recently for some reason). I think you both have mental health problems that fixate on either myself or Washington, but it is what it is. I'm not a shrink, so it aint my problem. I think even you know the optics of how bad this is starting to look, hence your frenzied defense of the indefensible. But people are not blind or dumb. People see exactly what's going on....I'm happy to sit back and let you and Pacinoyes keep self-destructing on this ( though I actually think you are capable of stopping this behavior, not sure if Pac can). It's car-crash viewing, and I've got a front row seat with the popcorn. Repeating your lies and delusions won't make them true. And talking about imaginary DMs that everybody knows you're not getting isn't convincing anybody either. The real reason you won't engage in actual discussion is because you know you don't have a leg to stand on. If you did, you would actually respond to some of the counterarguments like: 1. Did Joe Carnahan call Washington the GOAT? Nope. He called him "our greatest living actor". How exactly does that help Washington's argument for being generally considered the GOAT? 2. Did you ever actually watch Washington perform on Stage? Nope. So how do you even know he's a good stage actor? Based on what other people are telling you? By that reasoning, you don't have to watch any Films to judge an actor or director either. You can just go by reviews and awards for Film too. 3. How many actual GOAT contenders (by general consensus) are there without at least one movie generally regarded as an absolute masterpiece? Zero is how many. What exactly is going to make Washington the exception 50 years from now when none of his movies (so far, anyway, because this could still change) goes down as an all-time masterpiece and people just don't watch his movies as much anymore because they'd much rather watch GOAT movies like On the Waterfront, The Godfather, The Godfather II, Raging Bull, and Taxi Driver? What's Washington's answer to those movies? Man on Fire and Fences? Even Day-Lewis and Hanks (who will both also never be generally regarded the GOAT) have things like There Will Be Blood and Forrest Gump. 4. What exactly does Washington have over someone like De Niro or even Hoffman? Movie Stardom? So does Newman. Oscar Nominations? So does Newman. If movie stardom and Oscars made someone a greater actor by general perception, you'd have to concede that George Clooney will go down as a greater actor than Kirk Douglas. Stage? People 50 years from now aren't going to give a shit about performances they will never even watch. You'd have to be some level of crazy to call someone a great stage actor without even watching them on stage, and not everyone is a crazy Washington stan like you are. Even if they did get that crazy, the craziness would benefit Laurence Olivier, who is considered the God of stage acting. None of this is to argue that Washington is not the best actor of all time. That is completely subjective, and it's perfectly fair to believe Washington is the best actor ever. Washington is a great actor, in my opinion, and you could do much worse than him. But when you're trying to convince everybody that most people will end up considering him the GOAT, which is far-fetched at best and delusional at worst, these are hard questions that you'll have to confront and answer. And they're also questions I don't expect to hear the answers to, because you don't have them. You'll once again be reduced to making shit up about DMs and mental illnesses and racism; none of which actually exist
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 18, 2020 10:59:44 GMT
That was far too long a post, considering I'm not going to respond to any of your points I'm not interested in any Denzel related debates with you and your equally unhinged friend. You are both toxic on this subject and it wastes everyones time.The last post was a courtesy. We are done here.
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