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Post by countjohn on Dec 4, 2021 23:13:04 GMT
Holy shit is notre dame in now? Poor Brian Kelly is about to be like “awwww shucks I should’ve waited a few more weeks before bringing ma FAMilee down to the bayou”. Or is the committee gonna be lame and put bama at #4 even after they lose to Georgia? No way these two teams are playing each other back to back games even if they’re not in back to back weeks. Who else is left? Baylor? Don’t think they’ll get bumped up all the way from 9 to 4 even after beating Oklahoma state. Ohio state isn’t getting bumped up after not playing this week either No one wants to see notre dame get blown out in a playoff yet again tho. They are the Norwich City of the college football playoff Unfortunately if Bama wins there is no way both they and Georgia don't get in. If Bama loses it's ND. Really don't understand Kelly's thought process either, it has to just be about $$$. At ND he plays essentially a mid tier ACC schedule aside from maybe a tough game with USC if they're having a good year. At LSU he's got to win the SEC to get in and the boosters are insane and will throw a tantrum and get you fired over one bad year even if you won a national championship a couple years earlier. At ND he's got lifetime job security as long as he gets them to a major bowl every couple years with a soft schedule. I'd much rather have that job. That's why Riley left Okie ahead of the SEC move. He'd rather be the big fish in the small pond at USC instead of being in the SEC where you have like six blue blood programs fighting over one conference title and playoff spot. Plus even though I'm not a California guy at all I'd much rather live in LA than in the middle of nowhere in effing Oklahoma.
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Post by Joaquim on Dec 5, 2021 3:05:29 GMT
Alabama winning makes this a lot easier. Final rankings could be either…
1. Alabama 2. Michigan 3. Georgia 4. Cincinnati
Or…
1. Michigan 2. Alabama 3. Cincinnati 4. Georgia
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Post by getclutch on Dec 6, 2021 16:25:24 GMT
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Post by getclutch on Dec 22, 2021 19:23:28 GMT
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Post by Joaquim on Jan 1, 2022 5:17:21 GMT
Alabama vs Georgia again, I don’t even wanna watch this shit smh
College football overlords need to find a way to bring more parity to the sport. And I don’t mean nfl style parity, but just make the championship more interesting instead of it being a combination of Alabama/Georgia/Clemson/Ohio state every year. Look at European soccer. You got your Bayerns and your PSGs and Man City that dominate their leagues every year but when you get to the champions league it’s much more interesting. While it’s normal for one of the powerhouses to be in the final every year, you do get teams from outside the traditional heavyweights making runs most years and it keeps the competition fresh, exiting and just generally not boring like college football (Leipzig/Lyon semi finalists 19/20, Tottenham finalist 18/19, Roma semi finalist 17/18 etc etc). You can still have Alabama dominate the SEC every year, or Clemson dominate the ACC every year (except this year), or Ohio state dominate the Big Ten every year (except this year) same as how Bayern dominates the bundesliga every year, or how PSG dominates Ligue 1 every year (except last year), or how Manchester City now unfortunately dominates the prem league, but once it’s playoffs/champions league time you got other teams in the fray with a real chance
There’s already many similarities in how college football and European football are set up. The conferences being the individual domestic leagues, shit they make a fuss about “Europe’s big 5 leagues” well in college football you got the Power 5 conferences. The historic rivalries in college football, the hate between those teams, the fan spirit, just the overall college football atmosphere is probably the closest thing we have in American sports to replicating the soccer atmosphere over in Europe. Fucking make it work
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Post by countjohn on Jan 11, 2022 5:10:44 GMT
Congratulations to Georgia for winning and overcoming some serious refball in the sequence with the fumble. Haven't seen officials get so many separate things wrong on one call in a long time.
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Post by getclutch on Jan 29, 2022 21:40:24 GMT
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Post by getclutch on Feb 1, 2022 17:03:09 GMT
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Post by getclutch on Jul 21, 2022 16:33:13 GMT
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Post by Joaquim on Jan 1, 2023 1:40:24 GMT
TCU BEATS MICHIGAN!
Didn’t expect TCU to actually make it to the national championship but here we are
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Post by Brother Fease on Sept 3, 2023 14:00:09 GMT
Major upsets. Colorado beat TCU. Big win for Coach Prime. Wyoming beat Texas Tech. Texas State beat Baylor. And my Fighting Irish beat an FCS school. Their first FCS opponent ever. Not an upset, but ND is my team so they get a plug from me, when they win.
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Post by Joaquim on Dec 2, 2023 23:56:21 GMT
Someone should make a really good movie on the death of the pac-12
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Post by Joaquim on Dec 3, 2023 14:30:59 GMT
Can not wait to see who the committee pisses off in a couple hours. If they want maximum amount of butthurt just put Alabama in at Texas’s expense. If it’s FSU (go gators) being left out, do they even inform the ACC they’re ditching the conference?
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Post by countjohn on Dec 4, 2023 5:02:45 GMT
FSU not making it is some major bullshit. If they find a way to beat Georgia and UT or Bama win the playoff you could have a split championship again which the entire purpose of the playoff was to avoid. If you have 3 undefeated P5's and the other two champs played each other the choice should be a no brainer.
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Post by Joaquim on Dec 5, 2023 20:11:52 GMT
I have no sympathy for FSU, it really couldn’t have happened to a nicer school Gets even better when they contradicted their own logic in this decision by giving Liberty the G5 NY6 spot
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Post by Brother Fease on Dec 6, 2023 22:53:53 GMT
Not so fast guys. I have a different viewpoint.
I do feel bad for Florida State's players, coaches and their fans. They went 13-0 and beat 11 P5 opponents. That's no easy feat and deserved an opportunity to win a National Championship. The system did indeed screw them. But here the thing: the villain of the story is not the selection committee.
About 11 years ago, the college football big wigs decided to move from 2 teams to 4 teams, and have a selection committee pick the playoff teams. The committee was specifically instructed to pick the four best teams, not the four teams that deserved it the most or ran the table. In other words, the system wanted the selection process to be subjective rather than objective and handcuff the committee to just four teams.
It is important to understand that college football has 10 conferences, 133 schools, 5 Power Five Conference Champions, Notre Dame, Army, and schools finishing the season with between 12 to 13 wins and 0 to 1 losses. Having them pick just four is grossly unfair and puts them in an impossible position.
These "big wigs" as I call them had the opportunity to push for a 6 team playoff. They had the opportunity to move toward 8 or 12. But decided that was too much for them. The ACC Commissioner for example, voted against expanding to 12 teams for the 2023 college football season, and now is complaining that the ACC Champion has to play in the Orange Bowl rather than the Rose or Sugar. Give me a break. Why pick a system that is completely subjective and then complain that the "wrong teams" got in?
I for one agree with their top 8, only in a different order. I would have gone Washington, Michigan, Texas, Alabama, and then Florida State. FSU is #5, not because they lost Jordan Travis, but due to SOS factors. Enter Colley Matrix (one of the old BCS Computers):
1. Washington - 11th best schedule 2. Michigan - 32nd best schedule 3. Texas - 6th best schedule 4. Alabama - 7th best schedule 5. Florida State - 69th best schedule
Texas and Alabama played better competition, if you look at both SOS numbers and number of FBS opponents with a winning record. Texas and Alabama played 7 teams with a winning record. Florida State played 5.
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Post by countjohn on Dec 7, 2023 5:09:06 GMT
I for one agree with their top 8, only in a different order. I would have gone Washington, Michigan, Texas, Alabama, and then Florida State. FSU is #5, not because they lost Jordan Travis, but due to SOS factors. Enter Colley Matrix (one of the old BCS Computers): 1. Washington - 11th best schedule 2. Michigan - 32nd best schedule 3. Texas - 6th best schedule 4. Alabama - 7th best schedule 5. Florida State - 69th best schedule Texas and Alabama played better competition, if you look at both SOS numbers and number of FBS opponents with a winning record. Texas and Alabama played 7 teams with a winning record. Florida State played 5. No other sport on the planet works like this. In the NFL, MLB, or NBA a team with a worse record does not make the playoffs ahead of a team with a better record because a committee decides they have better strength of schedule, margin of victory or whatever else. And FSU's strength of record is statistically better than Alabama's, which is really the relevant thing here. Meaning it's more likely a team could go 12-1 on Alabama's schedule than that they could go undefeated on FSU's. You can be the worst team in the country and have the no. 1 strength of schedule, that doesn't inherently mean anything.
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Post by Brother Fease on Dec 7, 2023 8:33:41 GMT
I for one agree with their top 8, only in a different order. I would have gone Washington, Michigan, Texas, Alabama, and then Florida State. FSU is #5, not because they lost Jordan Travis, but due to SOS factors. Enter Colley Matrix (one of the old BCS Computers): 1. Washington - 11th best schedule 2. Michigan - 32nd best schedule 3. Texas - 6th best schedule 4. Alabama - 7th best schedule 5. Florida State - 69th best schedule Texas and Alabama played better competition, if you look at both SOS numbers and number of FBS opponents with a winning record. Texas and Alabama played 7 teams with a winning record. Florida State played 5. No other sport on the planet works like this. In the NFL, MLB, or NBA a team with a worse record does not make the playoffs ahead of a team with a better record because a committee decides they have better strength of schedule, margin of victory or whatever else. And FSU's strength of record is statistically better than Alabama's, which is really the relevant thing here. Meaning it's more likely a team could go 12-1 on Alabama's schedule than that they could go undefeated on FSU's. You can be the worst team in the country and have the no. 1 strength of schedule, that doesn't inherently mean anything. No other sport leaves out conference champions or equivalent. College football is a beauty competition. It is equivalent to figure skating and boxing. There are computer algorithms that have FSU 3rd and there are others that have them outside the top 4, like Colley Matrix, Massey and Sagarin. I think you are referencing ESPN, which was never a BCS computer formula. SOS was a main problem.
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Post by Joaquim on Dec 7, 2023 14:35:27 GMT
The 4 team playoff wasn’t just doomed from the start, it effectively killed the PAC-12. How are you gonna have a 4 team playoff with 5 power conferences? The PAC-12 got left out 6 years in a row and everyone fucking bailed. I guess that conference was a victim of its own competitiveness
FSU is probably plotting a move away from the ACC as we speak, and idk how Cal and Stanford in that conference is gonna work out. Maybe expanding the playoff field will slow down the pace of these super conferences forming but that train already left the station the moment Oklahoma and Texas joined the SEC. I mean shit, the two semifinals this year are technically already two Big Ten vs SEC matchups
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Post by Joaquim on Dec 7, 2023 14:40:56 GMT
Anyway, if you go undefeated and win your conference you automatically deserve a spot in the playoff so naturally the four teams should’ve been 1. Michigan 2. Washington 3. FSU 4. Liberty before anyone takes this post too seriously, this is a joke
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Post by Brother Fease on Dec 7, 2023 23:01:27 GMT
The 4 team playoff wasn’t just doomed from the start, it effectively killed the PAC-12. How are you gonna have a 4 team playoff with 5 power conferences? The PAC-12 got left out 6 years in a row and everyone fucking bailed. I guess that conference was a victim of its own competitiveness FSU is probably plotting a move away from the ACC as we speak, and idk how Cal and Stanford in that conference is gonna work out. Maybe expanding the playoff field will slow down the pace of these super conferences forming but that train already left the station the moment Oklahoma and Texas joined the SEC. I mean shit, the two semifinals this year are technically already two Big Ten vs SEC matchups It seems like that was the feature, not the bug. The system created these "super conferences" and somehow wants us to believe that California and Stanford are somehow on the Atlantic Coast.
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Post by Joaquim on Dec 8, 2023 23:45:27 GMT
I disagree, I find this to be very funny and should be in the internet hall of fame
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Post by urbanpatrician on Dec 9, 2023 9:01:35 GMT
The fact that anyone still watches College Football anymore..... and the NBA.
From From '97-'02.... College Football was one of my favorite sports. Ranked even ahead of the NFL for me, at least after the retirement of Elway, Young, Sanders, Marino I jumped ship to watching college football. Now you can't buy that shit for real anymore. The Pac 2 is not to be taken seriously, college sports is never gonna be the same anymore with the once Pac 12 teams playing in the same conference as Atlantic teams.... and that goes for other sports I like to watch besides football. Basketball, baseball, softball, women's soccer, and volleyball. The conferences all seem doomed to disintegrate. Who wants to watch college sports with no conference barriers. There are also other sports to consider too for people who don't just solely watch football.
The playoff configuration at the end of the year can be fun to figure out and debate. It's the only part of the year that's actually interesting and fun to talk about. I think this year is probably the most controversial ever.... and the only time probbaly there was any real controversy. But I can't get past this conference disintegration business. And it's not that interesting to watch anymore. It's dominated by the same 4 or 5 elite coaches. Alabama, Ohio St., Georgia, and Michigan are just gonna keep reverberating around until Harbaugh wins a championship. Half the top current NFL QBs have never played in a National title game (Mahomes, Allen, Dak, and Jackson some of the examples). #1 overall picks doesn't have the same value anymore. No more Peyton Manning or Michael Vick types. I dont even consider Joe Burrow or Trevor Lawrence to be like Manning or Vick.
This being said, I feel like this year's playoff selections were the right call. Those were who I would've chosen, in the same exact order. You need an elite win... and the Top 4 teams all have that. FSU's schedule was weak, their best win was LSU. While there aren't any complaints from Georgia - who accepted their verdict, I think they were also fairly left out. Their best win was Missouri and they lost the conference title to Alabama. They were #1, but they fell to #6. I dunno if there should be a system in place to mitigate such a precipitous fall after just one week, but their resume is not that strong if you don't go undefeated.
And the cherry on top of that is the Playoffs on New Year's Day. I'm not giving up New Year's Day to watch college football.
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Post by Joaquim on Dec 9, 2023 23:38:55 GMT
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Post by Brother Fease on Dec 16, 2023 22:53:46 GMT
Bowl season. What games are you looking forward to? Currently watching the Cure Bowl.
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