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Post by Sharbs on Oct 24, 2017 12:38:59 GMT
that's refreshing that someone else even qualifies as a lead in a DDL movie, as much as a like the DDL show
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Oct 24, 2017 16:08:58 GMT
Looks good, though it does seem a bit Oscar baity, and not really what I was expecting. Still Day Lewis looks great. Fashion, hey!
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Post by DeepArcher on Oct 24, 2017 16:41:17 GMT
Iiiiinteresting. She'd have a much better shot in supporting, so that almost seems odd. Also, why is PTA not on the FYC list for cinematography? That seems strange.
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Post by stephen on Oct 24, 2017 16:49:56 GMT
Iiiiinteresting. She'd have a much better shot in supporting, so that almost seems odd. Also, why is PTA not on the FYC list for cinematography? That seems strange. Is PTA part of the ASC? It might be a guild thing.
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Post by DeepArcher on Oct 24, 2017 16:53:20 GMT
Is PTA part of the ASC? It might be a guild thing. Ah, that would make sense.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Oct 24, 2017 16:54:28 GMT
YAY !!!!
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Post by quetee on Oct 24, 2017 17:01:51 GMT
Looks okay. Definitely best actress and supporting actress contender.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Oct 24, 2017 18:56:44 GMT
I said in another thread prior to this trailer being released that I can barely muster an iota of enthusiasm for this film and the trailer has changed nothing for me. If anything, my enthusiasm is even less based on the briefness of Lesley Manville, as she was the one thing I was enthused about. Still its Paul Thomas Anderson, with Lesley Manville and Daniel Day Lewis, so I'm hardly going to skip it.
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Post by sirjeremy on Oct 24, 2017 21:44:23 GMT
I think Manville has a substantial role, otherwise why is she billed next to DDL? If she's good enough I'd love it if she gets some recognition and as she campaigned seven years ago for Another Year, it's likely she'll campaign again.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Oct 24, 2017 22:19:06 GMT
The more I think about this trailer, the more I wonder if PTA could be exploring a more cerebral form of fetishism/S&M manifested in something like voyeurism... there's that shot of DDL staring intensely through a peep hole, and elsewhere it's noted that Krieps has barely looked at him all evening (perhaps teasing him by giving her attention to other men). Krieps mentions "games" and "rules," and there's that back-and-forth between Krieps and DDL, which seems to follow a set rhythm of "one-ups" until he shouts to stop. I think there could be a power play going on here, perhaps orchestrated by DDL's character, but in which Krieps is given dominance...
Just speculation of course.... I am addicted to this trailer.
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Post by bob-coppola on Oct 25, 2017 0:53:02 GMT
Gotta be honest, I'm not excited at all for this. I'm a huge PTA fan, but this one seems to be so bland and boring. Also, DDL is not winning his 4th Oscar, wake up! It's only a trailer, few clips. You have to see full movie to decide it as bland and boring And DDL will win! I will definetly give it a shot, I'm not giving up on this one. My love for PTA will bring me to the further places it can. I hope it 'll surprise me. And no, Oldman has in his bag, DDL would have to give birth to the second baby Jesus to steal his lightning this year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 21:30:30 GMT
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Post by CookiesNCream on Oct 27, 2017 23:24:30 GMT
Looks good. An Oscar material?
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Post by Mattsby on Nov 2, 2017 16:58:58 GMT
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Post by wonky on Nov 2, 2017 18:14:45 GMT
Also looks like they're still editing it, and he also clarifies the reports that he's serving as his own cinematographer (I think he's probably underselling his own expertise, but at the same time probably being honest when he says it's a stretch to say he was truly DP)
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Post by stephen on Nov 2, 2017 18:26:23 GMT
The premise that PTA is doing a Rebecca-esque suspense film triggered a Pavlovian response in me, to the point I need to get a new keyboard.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 23:22:38 GMT
Rebecca, eh? Now that is very interesting.
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Post by wilcinema on Nov 8, 2017 16:43:30 GMT
Mastroianni is living again through Daniel Day-Lewis in The Phantom Thread.
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Post by Lubezki on Nov 20, 2017 17:59:05 GMT
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Post by FrancescoAbides on Nov 20, 2017 18:34:56 GMT
Fuck, it looks absolutely gorgeous. Isn't Vicky Krieps a possible threat for Best Actress? who knows...
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Post by stephen on Nov 21, 2017 1:29:56 GMT
Fuck, it looks absolutely gorgeous. Isn't Vicky Krieps a possible threat for Best Actress? who knows... I think she’s definitely one to keep an eye on. Focus seems confident enough to run her in lead rather than going for the safe Supporting slot in a relatively weak field.
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Post by DeepArcher on Nov 21, 2017 2:03:37 GMT
Is this Greenwood's score? If so,
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Post by morton on Nov 21, 2017 2:13:55 GMT
Fuck, it looks absolutely gorgeous. Isn't Vicky Krieps a possible threat for Best Actress? who knows... Fuck, it looks absolutely gorgeous. Isn't Vicky Krieps a possible threat for Best Actress? who knows... I think she’s definitely one to keep an eye on. Focus seems confident enough to run her in lead rather than going for the safe Supporting slot in a relatively weak field. Yes, I've been thinking about bumping Darkest Hour and putting this in, instead since I don't know if Focus could get two films in, and Darkest Hour aside from Oldman doesn't seem as strong as I thought it was going to be. I still think Oldman wins though maybe like a Crazy Heart or The Last King of Scotland situation where he's in a film that isn't nominated for Best Picture but still wins Best Actor. I've also been thinking about kicking Sally Hawkins out to make room for Vicky Krieps. I think that Streep and McDormand are safely in. Then, I think Ronan is because Lady Bird seems like a top 5 film now, and she's been getting a lot of praise. Plus, she adds youth to the category. Then, I have Robbie in, and while I think Robbie is probably the most vulnerable, I think she's in because because she's probably campaigning the hardest of any of the possible nominees in this category, has the deglam factor, could possibly win the C/M Globe, produced her own film, and I feel that as part of her being an "it" girl means that the industry would love for her to get a "welcome to the club" nomination, the sooner the better. I know Hawkins has a baity role, great reviews, could possibly win some big critics' awards, and The Shape of Water could possibly be a top 3 picture or maybe even more, but if Krieps and Phantom Thread are real contenders, I think that Krieps and Hawkins might be in the same niche which I think would put Hawkins at a disadvantage. Both are foreign actresses that aren't quite "it" girls and aren't veterans like Charlotte Rampling or Isabelle Huppert either. Assuming Krieps is also a contender for those big critic wins, they would also either be in contention or possibly both won big critics awards, but if Krieps is actually able to do the impossible of upstaging DDL in his final film performance, I just think that's a great narrative and a path for her to get her first nomination. Plus, no offense to Sally Hawkins, but assuming that Phantom Thread is great and her Krieps's performance gets raves, if she wants that kind of career path, I could see her being like Penelope Cruz or Marion Cotillard as being the "hot" actress with an accent who is in high demand. Also I have heard different things about Hawkins's performance, and I'm not quite sure what to think. I know on paper it seems highly baity, and several people have said that. However, I've also seen detractors of the film say that she doesn't really do all that much other than fucking a fish. So I know she's mute which is usually Oscar catnip, but The Shape of Water doesn't seem as highbrow as The Piano or have the advantage of Woody Allen directing/writing it back before there the level of controversy surrounding him that there is now. Further, there seems to some revisionism going on not here but elsewhere. I remember last year I thought Adams might be vulnerable because she was in a genre film, and everyone that is claiming that there's no way Hawkins misses, said that about Adams last year, even though this year they're saying that they thought Adams might be vulnerable because her role wasn't emotional enough and she didn't have any Oscar moments. Adams seemed to have a lot more going for her too imo. Arrival was a hit, and I don't think The Shape of Water will get close to making $100 million domestically. She won one of the few top prizes that Huppert didn't win, and she was also nominated at SAG which she's not quite as popular at as she is at AMPAS. She's a five time nominee. On the other hand, I feel right now Hawkins is doing the minimum of campaigning. Her costar, Octavia Spencer, who seemed like she might be an easy coattail nomination has been MIA on the campaign trail as well which feels weird because I feel like she's usually out there if she senses she has any chance at all. I'm not sure about either of Shannon or Jenkins getting in now because it seems that they might have a Ruffalo and Keaton situation where they have the potential to cancel each other out. I know Ruffalo did make it in, but Spotlight was also the Best Picture winner, and I think he's more liked overall than Keaton. With Shannon and Jenkins, I feel that they're both well liked, so that doesn't help in trying to figure out who has the advantage. Anyway since it might miss in Supporting Actress and Supporting Actor now, maybe it misses SAG Ensemble, and is a contributing factor to Hawkins's perhaps being vulnerable. Hawkins was nominated before, but I feel that part of her nomination was a make up nomination for when she was snubbed for Happy-Go-Lucky, and I feel that could make Hawkins vulnerable since she won't have her snub working in her favor this time. I don't know if Krieps will campaign, but if she does, I think she might sneak in. Again Robbie seems more likely to miss on paper, imo, but I don't think anyone expected Adams to miss out last year to Ruth Negga. Or for Emma Thompson to miss out despite hitting all the precursors.
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Post by stephen on Nov 21, 2017 2:40:18 GMT
I think Darkest Hour is still the safer bet for Picture and possibly some techs like Cinematography, Costume Design and Score, but it seems to be pretty much the Gary Oldman Show, and I don’t know if I can see Mendelsohn or Scott Thomas getting anything more than coattail BAFTA love, unless the film really over-performs. I wouldn’t kick out Hawkins just yet. Her film has yet to hit wide release and as I think it is going to be a heavy-hitter, and with Fox Searchlight seemingly calming down on Emma Stone and ramping up for McDormand, I can see them getting her in to help bolster The Shape of Water’s chances overall. McDormand is in, Streep is probably in, and Robbie’s gaining steam. Ronan is also very much in the mix. That’s four slots spoken for right there. I’d pencil Hawkins in for the tentative fifth slot right now, but she is by no means a sure thing and I can see the film doing well without her (i.e. more love goes to Guillermo rather than the cast). But Krieps is the big question mark. Daniel Day-Lewis may very well take up much of the narrative, what with it being his swan song and just being DDL in general, but they felt comfortable running Krieps and Manville in separate categories. That tells me that Manville may have enough juice to be a contender in her own right, and they don’t want to risk splitting support between Manville and Krieps in Supporting Actress, where they could easily get away with pushing Krieps because she’s a newbie and double nominees do very well here historically. Krieps could wind up missing out while her co-stars get in, due to the denseness of the category, but the film is being screened for SAG and Focus’s only other horse in the race is Judi Dench, whose film did well at the B.O. but may not have legs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 5:50:05 GMT
motherfucker this looks sensational <3 <3 <3 People are really sleeping on it. Now that the graphic rumors this film had earlier are out, Darkest Hour being the baitier player from Focus is pretty much the only barrier for it, and even that one is not the one with the locky-lock reviews. If this performs well critically, even akin to your average PTA film, and no one botches the campaign here, I could easily see Focus shifting it's campaign focus ( ) to this. Even if it does come off as cold, it does seem much more approachable than PTA's last two films (in comparison). And in that case it would have a good lot of circumstances similar to The Revenant (bar the crazy production for that, but this being DDL's swan song could just as well add up for that)
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