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Post by Brother Fease on Nov 3, 2022 2:06:04 GMT
Just released today is the trailer for Avatar: Way of the Water, the sequel to the ground-breaking 2009 film Avatar. As I noted in the Black Panther 2 thread, the Academy rarely nominates sequels for Best Picture. The exceptions were The Godfather trilogy, the Lord of the Rings trilogy, Going My Way, The Silence of the Lambs, Mad Max: Fury Road, and Toy Story 3.
The original Avatar was a major awards player back in 2009 and 2010. It won Best Drama and Best Director at the Golden Globes over The Hurt Locker. The Academy nominated the movie for 9 Oscars. 3 of them turned into Oscar gold - Art Direction, Cinematography and Visual Effects.
Do you feel this is a pure technical contender or will it once again be up for Picture, Director and Film Editing?
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 3, 2022 3:05:45 GMT
Picture and a shit ton of techs
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Nov 3, 2022 5:16:54 GMT
a few techs
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Post by JangoB on Nov 3, 2022 8:48:58 GMT
Let's see...
I think it's getting in for BP unless its trashed or something - I can see it sweeping people away all over again. Of course it won't have the same level of hoopla around it as the first one but that success is something you can't quite replicate. Even part of it will be enough.
I can also totally see Cameron nominated again since the project is so vision-heavy. The gap between the two movies seems to be enough for the directors branch to appreciate the achievement all over again.
And then the techs:
VFX and Sound are a given (with the former locked to win);
Production Design seems like a strong possibility too with the new corners of Pandora being explored... although I wonder if it's too oceanic for the voters;
Editing is another reasonable option with the movie being a 3-hour blockbuster bound to have big epic action sequences;
Don't quite see Score at the moment but we'll have to wait and see how Simon Franglen does without James Horner - if there's enough new material there and if Franglen does something special with it, he should have a good chance;
And that brings us to Cinematography which I have most doubts about. On the one hand, I can definitely imagine the branch going gaga over the visuals and the technique behind them all over again. On the other hand, the novelty effect will certainly be lost this time around - not only because of the first film but also because of the numerous big CG-heavy spectacles that came after it. Plus the branch's tastes seem to have shifted a bit away from these CG movies after their sudden surge. At the moment I'll say that Carpenter won't be nominated.
So all in all my pre-season predictions for it are as follows: Picture, Director, Production Design, Editing, Sound, VFX.
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Post by Pavan on Nov 3, 2022 9:01:02 GMT
Sound and Vfx. Nothing more than that.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Nov 3, 2022 12:25:07 GMT
Picture and a shit ton of techs This |
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Post by Brother Fease on Nov 3, 2022 13:34:36 GMT
Picture and a shit ton of techs How are you feeling about James Cameron for Director and the editing team of Stephen E. Rivkin, David Brenner, John Refoua and James Cameron? Are those categories in play too? |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Nov 3, 2022 13:56:46 GMT
Picture and a shit ton of techs How are you feeling about James Cameron for Director and the editing team of Stephen E. Rivkin, David Brenner, John Refoua and James Cameron? Are those categories in play too? I know you didn’t ask me but I think it will be difficult for Cameron to crack the Director lineup. |
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 3, 2022 14:14:44 GMT
Picture and a shit ton of techs How are you feeling about James Cameron for Director and the editing team of Stephen E. Rivkin, David Brenner, John Refoua and James Cameron? Are those categories in play too? Editing is definitely in play, Cameron I have at 8th behind Spielberg, Daniels, Field, Chazelle, McDonagh, Östlund and Polley. |
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Post by stephen on Nov 3, 2022 14:56:50 GMT
I feel fairly confident in:
Picture
Cinematography
Production Design
Visual Effects
Editing
Sound
Cameron should by rights be in there as well, but I feel like Best Director is ripe for a shocking snub this year. It could be him.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Nov 3, 2022 16:04:53 GMT
How are you feeling about James Cameron for Director and the editing team of Stephen E. Rivkin, David Brenner, John Refoua and James Cameron? Are those categories in play too? Editing is definitely in play, Cameron I have at 7th behind Spielberg, Daniels, Field, Chazelle, Östlund and Polley. Best Director is SAVAGE this year. There are a couple other foriegn guys I could see sneaking in as well. Imagine if Scorcese had stayed this year... |
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Post by havok2 on Nov 4, 2022 18:34:14 GMT
Let's see... I think it's getting in for BP unless its trashed or something - I can see it sweeping people away all over again. Of course it won't have the same level of hoopla around it as the first one but that success is something you can't quite replicate. Even part of it will be enough. I can also totally see Cameron nominated again since the project is so vision-heavy. The gap between the two movies seems to be enough for the directors branch to appreciate the achievement all over again. And then the techs: VFX and Sound are a given (with the former locked to win); Production Design seems like a strong possibility too with the new corners of Pandora being explored... although I wonder if it's too oceanic for the voters; Editing is another reasonable option with the movie being a 3-hour blockbuster bound to have big epic action sequences; Don't quite see Score at the moment but we'll have to wait and see how Simon Franglen does without James Horner - if there's enough new material there and if Franglen does something special with it, he should have a good chance; And that brings us to Cinematography which I have most doubts about. On the one hand, I can definitely imagine the branch going gaga over the visuals and the technique behind them all over again. On the other hand, the novelty effect will certainly be lost this time around - not only because of the first film but also because of the numerous big CG-heavy spectacles that came after it. Plus the branch's tastes seem to have shifted a bit away from these CG movies after their sudden surge. At the moment I'll say that Carpenter won't be nominated. So all in all my pre-season predictions for it are as follows: Picture, Director, Production Design, Editing, Sound, VFX. All of this |
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Post by havok2 on Nov 4, 2022 18:35:00 GMT
How are you feeling about James Cameron for Director and the editing team of Stephen E. Rivkin, David Brenner, John Refoua and James Cameron? Are those categories in play too? Editing is definitely in play, Cameron I have at 7th behind Spielberg, Daniels, Field, Chazelle, Östlund and Polley. LMAO no one gonna vote for Polley when Jim Cameron has a movie this year. Even Bergman knew he is a juggernaut |
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Post by havok2 on Nov 4, 2022 18:35:24 GMT
Sound and Vfx. Nothing more than that. Still have time to change ur mind |
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Post by havok2 on Nov 4, 2022 18:38:53 GMT
Imagine doubting the KING of sequels? The Director of the two highest grossing films of all time at some point and a huge colossus in the Directing branch.
Even if Directing is packed, Cameron has statistical and industry wise support.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Nov 4, 2022 19:02:02 GMT
I know it's going to make a buttload of money and plenty of people will enjoy it but it won't have the same novelty that it did in 2009. Avatar was a worldwide phenomenon at the end of the 2010s and that overwhelmingly positive universal support propelled it to Oscar glory and a near BP win but this is going to live in the shadow of that first film and no one can convince me otherwise. I'm prepared to eat my words but I'm also dying on this hill until that happens. Revisiting the world of Pandora isn't going to have the same impact as discovering it for the first time with hitherto unknown VFX back in 2009. It was a total cinematic landmark and unlike anything anyone had ever seen. How can a sequel possibly live up to that? The novelty was so instrumental in Avatar's popularity back then and it's not novel anymore...
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 4, 2022 22:35:43 GMT
Editing is definitely in play, Cameron I have at 7th behind Spielberg, Daniels, Field, Chazelle, Östlund and Polley. LMAO no one gonna vote for Polley when Jim Cameron has a movie this year. Even Bergman knew he is a juggernaut Ok. |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Nov 5, 2022 0:44:08 GMT
I know it's going to make a buttload of money and plenty of people will enjoy it but it won't have the same novelty that it did in 2009. Avatar was a worldwide phenomenon at the end of the 2010s and that overwhelmingly positive universal support propelled it to Oscar glory and a near BP win but this is going to live in the shadow of that first film and no one can convince me otherwise. I'm prepared to eat my words but I'm also dying on this hill until that happens. Revisiting the world of Pandora isn't going to have the same impact as discovering it for the first time with hitherto unknown VFX back in 2009. It was a total cinematic landmark and unlike anything anyone had ever seen. How can a sequel possibly live up to that? The novelty was so instrumental in Avatar's popularity back then and it's not novel anymore... I think this and Top Gun 2 will both be majorly embraced within the industry as a kinda “anti-marvel”blockbuster which will only propel them when combined with their massive commercial appeal. |
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Nov 5, 2022 3:05:49 GMT
I know it's going to make a buttload of money and plenty of people will enjoy it but it won't have the same novelty that it did in 2009. Avatar was a worldwide phenomenon at the end of the 2010s and that overwhelmingly positive universal support propelled it to Oscar glory and a near BP win but this is going to live in the shadow of that first film and no one can convince me otherwise. I'm prepared to eat my words but I'm also dying on this hill until that happens. Revisiting the world of Pandora isn't going to have the same impact as discovering it for the first time with hitherto unknown VFX back in 2009. It was a total cinematic landmark and unlike anything anyone had ever seen. How can a sequel possibly live up to that? The novelty was so instrumental in Avatar's popularity back then and it's not novel anymore... I’m kind of in the same boat, and I can understand all of this viewpoint (and honestly, Avatar ain’t no T2). I think it very well could be a case of not being able to capture lightning in a bottle. Buuuuttt… to give it the benefit of the doubt, because we’re already established in the world of Pandora, and we’re getting to discover new locations, new cultures, and a more deliberately lean into the sci-fi elements, we’re in uncharted territory now. Perhaps Avatar could have been a stepping stone to bigger things in the sequels. A necessary evil for grander things. Even if we’ve already been here, I still think there’s room for it to wow us. For it to completely upend those expectations. I mean, Cameron is still writing it, and for all we know, it could just be doing familiar things all over again, and the story again takes a backseat to the effects. But the man knows how to work a sequel, and other writers helping him does give me hope. Im still not brave enough to call it for Picture yet, but I could see it making a big splash in the techs: Cinematography, Production Design, VFX, Sound, Editing |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Nov 6, 2022 3:45:50 GMT
I think this and Top Gun 2 will both be majorly embraced within the industry as a kinda “anti-marvel”blockbuster which will only propel them when combined with their massive commercial appeal. that's a fair point but there will be other blockbuster contenders too. I think Elvis is being underestimated and Woman King makes a strong case too as far as big budget non-Marvel actioners go (and represents the kind of diversity voters are looking for these days). Avatar 2 is an unknown quantity IMO. Will it make as much money, will it feel as fresh, are viewers going to be over it? I don't know. |
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Post by Brother Fease on Dec 7, 2022 23:20:21 GMT
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Post by rhodoraonline on Dec 7, 2022 23:32:54 GMT
Avatar is about to steal Maverick's thunder is what I'm saying  |
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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 7, 2022 23:36:36 GMT
Avatar is about to steal Maverick's thunder is what I'm saying That's not clear yet. Maverick was at best projected to make a bunch of nominations, and maybe a tech win or four. I don't think it was ever winning visual effects. Could still win Editing and Sound techs over Avatar and EEAAO and sneak a nom for Cruise in Best Actor. |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 7, 2022 23:49:20 GMT
Best Picture
Best Director
Best Cinematography
Best Film Editing
Best VFX
Best Sound
Score and song are possible too.
I still don't buy the production design nom. There are too many contenders with actual sets in 2022 for them to nominate Avatar's VFX for three categories like they did in 2009. Cinematography is easier to conflate with how a film looks in general so I think it gets in there and knocks out Deaks or Friend.
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Post by JangoB on Dec 8, 2022 0:22:02 GMT
Best Picture Best Director Best Cinematography Best Film Editing Best VFX Best Sound Score and song are possible too. I still don't buy the production design nom. There are too many contenders with actual sets in 2022 for them to nominate Avatar's VFX for three categories like they did in 2009. Cinematography is easier to conflate with how a film looks in general so I think it gets in there and knocks out Deaks or Friend. Are there that many big contenders though? I'm having a bit of a hard time coming up with 5 predictions in this category that I'd be fully happy with tbh. But even with that in mind The Way of Water doesn't seem like a fringe contender to me - I think the designers will absolutely admire the new realms explored here. The fantastical underwater worlds will be more than enough for them to nominate it. I believe it can even win. Cinematography remains one of the most interesting questions of the season for me - how will the branch react to the work here? Will it be seen as the same thing that's already been rewarded in the first one or will they just forget all that and cream in their pants over the visuals once more? Not that there aren't innovations here with the 3D underwater performance capture photography being the new cool thing. Very curious to find out what happens. Some of the shots certainly look spectacular, even if they are completely CG.  |
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