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Post by Brother Fease on Aug 10, 2022 12:00:00 GMT
Back in 2019, the Academy nominated Black Panther for 7 Oscars, including best picture. It ended up winning 3 Oscars for Original Score, Costume Design and Production Design. What do you think the prospects for Black Panther: Wakanda Forever? We have seen sequels getting nominated for best picture before. Most notably would be The Godfather trilogy, the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and the two Going My Way films. If the Academy expanded its Best Picture line-up in the 80s and 90s, The Color of Money and Toy Story might have joined that list. The Silence of the Lambs and Mad Max: Fury Road were sequels, but their original didn't garner any awards attention. On the flip side, we saw Rocky, Star Wars and Indiana Jones going the opposite way.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Aug 10, 2022 13:04:30 GMT
I think it’s certainly in play for costumes, production design, sound, visual effects, and maybe score or song (if it has a good original, not sure). As for BP, I think that will be a tougher nom, as I think Top Gun is getting nominated and am unsure how many populous choices the Academy will embrace. Certainly possible both get in a field of 10 though.
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Post by stephen on Aug 10, 2022 13:38:34 GMT
I don't think it's going to be anywhere near the phenomenon the first film was, but I think tech nods are still very much in play. Costumes, Production Design, maybe Sound.
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Post by JangoB on Aug 10, 2022 14:05:37 GMT
I think it has as good a shot as the first one. The emotional baggage alone is enough for this to be received in a special way. Plus (and this is subjective but still) the trailer makes it look like a much better and grander visual experience than the first one. If that title is to be trusted it'll explore the world of Wakanda more which'll give it more chances to get nominations in the Production Design and Costume Design categories (especially with Scorsese potentially switching to 2023). I'm sure the VFX will be very good too, especially after the crap the first one caught on that front, so I'm expecting a nomination there as well. If Ludwig manages to expand the familiar themes and to create some new ones instead of repeating himself a nomination for Score could very much happen too. Then there're also techs like Makeup and Sound.
That leaves us with Best Picture which I think can definitely happen. The movie's bound to be huge and if its reception is strong enough then I don't see why not. I'm actually not that sold on Maverick's chances for a BP nom (although I would love for it to happen) because it lacks the zeitgeisty elements and the diversity factor - things that seem highly important to the Academy these days. Wakanda, on the other hand, will absolutely have those bonuses on its side. At the same time Maverick can definitely get in purely on the wings (sorry) of its immense popularity and Wakanda may take a hit because there's another water-heavy sequel to a huge BP-nominated blockbuster coming out after it. Will there be enough room in the Oscar ten for Maverick, Wakanda AND Avatar? I'm not sure. It'll be interesting to see how the blockbuster game will unfold. That's assuming that any of them become awardsy movies at all.
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Post by mhynson27 on Aug 10, 2022 14:15:52 GMT
Yeah, just some techs.
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Post by speeders on Aug 10, 2022 14:19:16 GMT
Visual effects, costumes, production Design.
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Post by flasuss on Aug 10, 2022 14:46:40 GMT
Some techs, but the film seems way too crowded to be able to make as much of an impact critically as the first one. Plus, the lead actor in their campaign was Boseman, who was universally liked, while the closest to a lead now it's a nutjob anti-vaxxer.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Aug 10, 2022 14:48:29 GMT
I think it has as good a shot as the first one. The emotional baggage alone is enough for this to be received in a special way. Plus (and this is subjective but still) the trailer makes it look like a much better and grander visual experience than the first one. If that title is to be trusted it'll explore the world of Wakanda more which'll give it more chances to get nominations in the Production Design and Costume Design categories (especially with Scorsese potentially switching to 2023). I'm sure the VFX will be very good too, especially after the crap the first one caught on that front, so I'm expecting a nomination there as well. If Ludwig manages to expand the familiar themes and to create some new ones instead of repeating himself a nomination for Score could very much happen too. Then there're also techs like Makeup and Sound. That leaves us with Best Picture which I think can definitely happen. The movie's bound to be huge and if its reception is strong enough then I don't see why not. I'm actually not that sold on Maverick's chances for a BP nom (although I would love for it to happen) because it lacks the zeitgeisty elements and the diversity factor - things that seem highly important to the Academy these days. Wakanda, on the other hand, will absolutely have those bonuses on its side. At the same time Maverick can definitely get in purely on the wings (sorry) of its immense popularity and Wakanda may take a hit because there's another water-heavy sequel to a huge BP-nominated blockbuster coming out after it. Will there be enough room in the Oscar ten for Maverick, Wakanda AND Avatar? I'm not sure. It'll be interesting to see how the blockbuster game will unfold. That's assuming that any of them become awardsy movies at all. I find it interesting you are not sold on Top Gun as I personally feel it is as close to a lock for a BP nom as something can be at this point. |
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Post by JangoB on Aug 10, 2022 15:18:53 GMT
I think it has as good a shot as the first one. The emotional baggage alone is enough for this to be received in a special way. Plus (and this is subjective but still) the trailer makes it look like a much better and grander visual experience than the first one. If that title is to be trusted it'll explore the world of Wakanda more which'll give it more chances to get nominations in the Production Design and Costume Design categories (especially with Scorsese potentially switching to 2023). I'm sure the VFX will be very good too, especially after the crap the first one caught on that front, so I'm expecting a nomination there as well. If Ludwig manages to expand the familiar themes and to create some new ones instead of repeating himself a nomination for Score could very much happen too. Then there're also techs like Makeup and Sound. That leaves us with Best Picture which I think can definitely happen. The movie's bound to be huge and if its reception is strong enough then I don't see why not. I'm actually not that sold on Maverick's chances for a BP nom (although I would love for it to happen) because it lacks the zeitgeisty elements and the diversity factor - things that seem highly important to the Academy these days. Wakanda, on the other hand, will absolutely have those bonuses on its side. At the same time Maverick can definitely get in purely on the wings (sorry) of its immense popularity and Wakanda may take a hit because there's another water-heavy sequel to a huge BP-nominated blockbuster coming out after it. Will there be enough room in the Oscar ten for Maverick, Wakanda AND Avatar? I'm not sure. It'll be interesting to see how the blockbuster game will unfold. That's assuming that any of them become awardsy movies at all. I find it interesting you are not sold on Top Gun as I personally feel it is as close to a lock for a BP nom as something can be at this point. I dunno, it's just such a purely entertaining blockbuster (without any big messages, 'relevant' issues and so on) that I think it might end up not being taken seriously by some voters aside from the techs. But at the same time it's such a popular movie that it can definitely get in. I sure hope it does happen as a contender though! I'm just not feeling it as a lock now. Particularly with a couple of other big blockbusters coming up later in the year. |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 10, 2022 16:27:52 GMT
Flower Moon and Rustin both getting pushed leaves definite openings. I don't see why it can't get in just like the first, and it has more emotional baggage going into it than the first so one could argue it'll be even better-positioned. Just going off the hype from the teaser, it's clear lots of people are going to be very excited about this one and for deeper & more sentimental reasons than they were for the Spider-Man flick. I think it's happening. This is going to be their last chance to honor Boseman.
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Post by stephen on Aug 10, 2022 23:29:46 GMT
Flower Moon and Rustin both getting pushed leaves definite openings. I don't see why it can't get in just like the first, and it has more emotional baggage going into it than the first so one could argue it'll be even better-positioned. Just going off the hype from the teaser, it's clear lots of people are going to be very excited about this one and for deeper & more sentimental reasons than they were for the Spider-Man flick. I think it's happening. This is going to be their last chance to honor Boseman. Is it really honoring Boseman, though? They had their big moment already. Yeah, Wakanda Forever itself will obviously pay tribute to him, but I don't think voters are going to be thinking about that aspect of it too much when voting. It's not like he'd get any kind of individual recognition. |
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Post by Brother Fease on Aug 11, 2022 10:21:31 GMT
This will definitely be a technical player. Not sure about picture.
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Post by quetee on Aug 11, 2022 14:20:24 GMT
This will definitely be a technical player. Not sure about picture. Not picture. Angela looks strong here. I mean seeing as she got robbed last time...  |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 11, 2022 19:44:51 GMT
Flower Moon and Rustin both getting pushed leaves definite openings. I don't see why it can't get in just like the first, and it has more emotional baggage going into it than the first so one could argue it'll be even better-positioned. Just going off the hype from the teaser, it's clear lots of people are going to be very excited about this one and for deeper & more sentimental reasons than they were for the Spider-Man flick. I think it's happening. This is going to be their last chance to honor Boseman. Is it really honoring Boseman, though? They had their big moment already. Yeah, Wakanda Forever itself will obviously pay tribute to him, but I don't think voters are going to be thinking about that aspect of it too much when voting. It's not like he'd get any kind of individual recognition. obviously not honoring him personally but saluting his legacy which is intrinsically tied to Black Panther. And if the eventual film plays up the Boseman tribute as much as the teaser does, that connection is going to be unavoidable. It seems obvious that this isn't going to be just another MCU film or even just another well-liked MCU film. People are going to be bringing serious emotional baggage to it looking for the kind of catharsis the teaser is, well... teasing. And if the movie successfully provides that catharsis I think it's going to hit hard for a lot of viewers. |
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Post by stabcaesar on Aug 17, 2022 4:15:23 GMT
Some techs, but the film seems way too crowded to be able to make as much of an impact critically as the first one. Plus, the lead actor in their campaign was Boseman, who was universally liked, while the closest to a lead now it's a nutjob anti-vaxxer. Agreed, though I could see them minimising her participation in the campaign and let Angela Bassett do the heavy lifting. Not picture. Angela looks strong here. I mean seeing as she got robbed last time... Not saying it would happen but I would not be surprised if Bassett gets a supporting nod for this. Grieving mother + respected actress + immensely popular film is a very strong combo. |
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Post by Brother Fease on Nov 9, 2022 12:01:18 GMT
Update time:
Rotten Tomatoes - 87% approval
Broadcast Film Critics - 82/100
IMDB - 7.3/10
Based on what I am hearing, the movie is good, solid. Just not as good as the original. It's a technical achievement and Angela Bassett is great.
What do you think the movie will get nominated for? Will Angela Bassett get into the Supporting Actress category?
Below is a video of two L.A Film Critics discussing the film. Enjoy.
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Post by JangoB on Nov 9, 2022 13:29:33 GMT
What do you think the movie will get nominated for? Will Angela Bassett get into the Supporting Actress category? At this point I'd say Production Design, Costume Design, Song, VFX. Maybe Makeup and Sound. Maaaaybe Score. And I really don't see Bassett making it. Seems like comic book movies need a truly 'Holy Shit' performance to get acting recognition which doesn't seem to be the case here. |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Nov 9, 2022 17:40:52 GMT
I've slumped on its BP chances lately but techs should still be a sure thing. It looks like a lock for costumes and prod. design with Babylon being its only competition, VFX seems like a solid bet, and it could possibly get in for sound and song too.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Nov 9, 2022 18:58:19 GMT
I've slumped on its BP chances lately but techs should still be a sure thing. It looks like a lock for costumes and prod. design with Babylon being its only competition, VFX seems like a solid bet, and it could possibly get in for sound and song too. I feel the same way about that that you do for Avatar. I feel like those could happen (costume design for sure), but I do wonder if the “will the same trick work twice” thinking could factor into here. |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Nov 9, 2022 20:17:13 GMT
I've slumped on its BP chances lately but techs should still be a sure thing. It looks like a lock for costumes and prod. design with Babylon being its only competition, VFX seems like a solid bet, and it could possibly get in for sound and song too. I feel the same way about that that you do for Avatar. I feel like those could happen (costume design for sure), but I do wonder if the “will the same trick work twice” thinking could factor into here. you mean will the Academy like Avatar's VFX so much they nominate it for three categories again? Yeah that's question of the hour. I'd argue all the other 2009 prod. design nominees will likely pale in comparison to Babylon and Black Panther 2, and Avatar might've won in 2009 but so did Black Panther in 2018. |
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Nov 9, 2022 20:59:58 GMT
I feel the same way about that that you do for Avatar. I feel like those could happen (costume design for sure), but I do wonder if the “will the same trick work twice” thinking could factor into here. you mean will the Academy like Avatar's VFX so much they nominate it for three categories again? Yeah that's question of the hour. I'd argue all the other 2009 prod. design nominees will likely pale in comparison to Babylon and Black Panther 2, and Avatar might've won in 2009 but so did Black Panther in 2018. No. What I meant was will Black Panther be seen as “been there, done that,” and get shut out of Production Design for example (I’m not sure how much “new” they’ll be adding to Wakanda). Cause I know you had that sneaking suspicion for Avatar, but maybe BP falls in the same camp as well |
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