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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 28, 2021 14:40:00 GMT
Yeah, even if he would win a third one for Macbeth, DDL would still be considered the living GOAT. I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back in his late 60s or even early 70s to make one last final film with Scorsese or PTA just to prove that. I'm pretty sure DDL hasn't had a consensus lock on GOAT for a good minute, especially over Denzel, whose rep is at least level with DDL among peers and within the industry, and far greater among general audiences . We aren't in 2012 anymore  I don’t really care how many people are salty that I'm saying it, because it's pretty much the reality of things.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 28, 2021 14:46:55 GMT
Yeah, even if he would win a third one for Macbeth, DDL would still be considered the living GOAT. Respectfully, disagree but I get the idea. There is no ONE GOAT (my jokes on the subject aside - I might have overdone that joke too  ) particularly because many of the guys are working around material that could affect their ranking. ......... DePac are alive (and De Niro may win a 3rd next year ffs), Hackman is alive, Nicholson is too...........and so is Dustin Hoffman........not to mention Hopkins .......who is also, still breathing last I heard
DePac, Hackman, Nicholson (and maybe Dustin Hoffman?) - all ranked higher on my all time actor list than DDL & those guys with DDL ranked higher than Washington did ..... Now can Washington overtake some or even ALL of those guys ahead of him? Of course he can - he is still is working - it's possible ........who knows what he'll do next year..........or the year after......... |
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Post by flasuss on Sept 28, 2021 16:26:09 GMT
Meh, you're arguing a question that has no answer. Some people will say Brando is the GOAT, some will say De Niro, Pacino, Jack, DDL, Denzel, Olivier, some will say is Zac Efron or Taylor Lautner (the last group is made of idiots, though). It doesn't matter the slightest, because there's no objective answer.
I will say though not my pick for the GOAT by any means, Denzel has a strong case for the best currently working actor because the competition is either dead, retired or in the case of Pacino and De Niro, not in their prime for quite some time. Though even that would be entirely subjective.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 28, 2021 16:42:43 GMT
Meh, you're arguing a question that has no answer. Some people will say Brando is the GOAT, some will say De Niro, Pacino, Jack, DDL, Denzel, Olivier, some will say is Zac Efron or Taylor Lautner (the last group is made of idiots, though). It doesn't matter the slightest, because there's no objective answer. I will say though not my pick for the GOAT by any means, Denzel has a strong case for the best currently working actor because the competition is either dead, retired or in the case of Pacino and De Niro, not in their prime for quite some time. Though even that would be entirely subjective. ^ Exactly. One of the things that's so great about this year is you have 3 of the actors often called "the best working" actor have a chance for BA nods - Washington, Phoenix (maybe a slim chance now though), DiCap - AND that list doesn't even include Cooper - love him or hate him - who will have 5 nominations (or 6) in 10 years if nodded which no one else has over that period....... |
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Post by quetee on Sept 28, 2021 16:51:36 GMT
Meh, you're arguing a question that has no answer. Some people will say Brando is the GOAT, some will say De Niro, Pacino, Jack, DDL, Denzel, Olivier, some will say is Zac Efron or Taylor Lautner (the last group is made of idiots, though). It doesn't matter the slightest, because there's no objective answer. I will say though not my pick for the GOAT by any means, Denzel has a strong case for the best currently working actor because the competition is either dead, retired or in the case of Pacino and De Niro, not in their prime for quite some time. Though even that would be entirely subjective. I think we would be amazed at how many would say Zac Efron. LMAO. I think if you ask GP about greatest working actor, they would say either Denzel or Leo. |
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Sept 28, 2021 20:23:42 GMT
I get the argument for Smith, but I feel like the urgency to give Denzel his third will be stronger this year than in 2016, especially given how daring of a role this is. Also, part of me thinks that there will be those wanting to give him his third not just because of the performance itself + his narrative and level of respect, but also possibly as a "make-up" or "corrective" gesture after Affleck's win in 2016 post-MeToo.
Could be wrong of course, but that's just my feeling at the moment.
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Post by michael128 on Sept 28, 2021 20:44:30 GMT
Daniel Day Lewis is human garbage and I’m not sure why we haven’t erased his name from the internet yet.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Sept 28, 2021 20:46:51 GMT
Meh, you're arguing a question that has no answer. Some people will say Brando is the GOAT, some will say De Niro, Pacino, Jack, DDL, Denzel, Olivier, some will say is Zac Efron or Taylor Lautner (the last group is made of idiots, though). It doesn't matter the slightest, because there's no objective answer. I will say though not my pick for the GOAT by any means, Denzel has a strong case for the best currently working actor because the competition is either dead, retired or in the case of Pacino and De Niro, not in their prime for quite some time. Though even that would be entirely subjective. I think we would be amazed at how many would say Zac Efron. LMAO. I think if you ask GP about greatest working actor, they would say either Denzel or Leo. I'll tell you what though..if Jared Leto does his fucking thing in House of Gucci..we may have to start calling him the greatest working actor. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 28, 2021 21:12:44 GMT
I get the argument for Smith, but I feel like the urgency to give Denzel his third will be stronger this year than in 2016, especially given how daring of a role this is. Also, part of me thinks that there will be those wanting to give him his third not just because of the performance itself + his narrative and level of respect, but also possibly as a "make-up" or "corrective" gesture after Affleck's win in 2016 post-MeToo. Could be wrong of course, but that's just my feeling at the moment. ...............AND he has an advantage of it being his 4th nod since his last win and 20 years since it too - like I don't know the exact history but certainly that's Nicholson like level sh it - Jack's 3rd win was 4 nods away from his last win .........and 14 years..... I don't think he's a lock and he might not be #1 atm - but come on......he's in an almost perfect spot if you we're a betting man....... |
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 28, 2021 21:37:54 GMT
I think we would be amazed at how many would say Zac Efron. LMAO. I think if you ask GP about greatest working actor, they would say either Denzel or Leo. I'll tell you what though..if Jared Leto does his fucking thing in House of Gucci..we may have to start calling him the greatest working actor. Well, we all know who Jared Leto thinks is the GOAT!!! |
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Post by quetee on Sept 28, 2021 23:16:09 GMT
I think we would be amazed at how many would say Zac Efron. LMAO. I think if you ask GP about greatest working actor, they would say either Denzel or Leo. I'll tell you what though..if Jared Leto does his fucking thing in House of Gucci..we may have to start calling him the greatest working actor. Just watch, people will vote for Jeffrey Tambor. Haha. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Sept 30, 2021 15:48:34 GMT
I think we would be amazed at how many would say Zac Efron. LMAO. I think if you ask GP about greatest working actor, they would say either Denzel or Leo. I'll tell you what though..if Jared Leto does his fucking thing in House of Gucci..we may have to start calling him the greatest working actor. I feel like his performance in The Little Things, should have at least solidified him as the most consistent working "actor, actor", today. People may have their issues with Leto and yeah sure, but it's clear the man is a truly committed performer. |
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Post by stephen on Sept 30, 2021 15:54:16 GMT
I'll tell you what though..if Jared Leto does his fucking thing in House of Gucci..we may have to start calling him the greatest working actor. I feel like his performance in The Little Things, should have at least solidified him as the most consistent working "actor, actor", today. People may have their issues with Leto and yeah sure, but it's clear the man is a truly committed performer. This is the thing. Jared Leto is obviously our favorite whipping boy when it comes to the downside of method acting, but his work obviously does impress people, and the transformative aspect of acting is his bread-and-butter. People may not like it, but Leto's really doing his own thing and no one else has that same vibe. He's a unique unicorn in that respect, and while I think he's certainly not to everyone's tastes, he does appeal to some, and they seem to really like what he does. I mean, I'm rooting for him largely for the lulz, but even so, I do think he is a talented and compelling actor with a fascinating presence to watch on-screen. |
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Sept 30, 2021 17:25:26 GMT
Right now I will rank them…
1. Smith
2. Washington
3. Cumberpatch
4. Dinklage
Then after that I have no fucking clue. We are waiting to see in Cooper, DiCaprio and Driver and there is no way of knowing what order to put them in until the movies are seen. I’m personally rooting for a first time nomination for either Foster or Collins Jr.
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Post by quetee on Sept 30, 2021 17:32:57 GMT
Right now I will rank them… 1. Smith 2. Washington 3. Cumberpatch 4. Dinklage Then after that I have no fucking clue. We are waiting to see in Cooper, DiCaprio and Driver and there is no way of knowing what order to put them in until the movies are seen. I’m personally rooting for a first time nomination for either Foster or Collins Jr. Well, Peter would be first time also. |
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Sept 30, 2021 18:03:23 GMT
Right now I will rank them… 1. Smith 2. Washington 3. Cumberpatch 4. Dinklage Then after that I have no fucking clue. We are waiting to see in Cooper, DiCaprio and Driver and there is no way of knowing what order to put them in until the movies are seen. I’m personally rooting for a first time nomination for either Foster or Collins Jr. Well, Peter would be first time also. *another. Better? Dude you knew what I meant. |
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 30, 2021 23:14:47 GMT
Nothing has swayed me yet from the Top 5 I've been going with most of the year:
Cooper
Cumberbatch
DiCaprio
Smith
Washington
It just feels right. We don't always need to have a first time nominee.
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Post by flasuss on Oct 1, 2021 0:07:04 GMT
Nothing as swayed me yet from the Top 5 I've been going with most of the year: Cooper Cumberbatch DiCaprio Smith Washington It just feels right. We don't always need to have a first time nominee. Maybe, but 5 big movie stars nominated? I don't buy it. |
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Post by mhynson27 on Oct 1, 2021 0:21:00 GMT
Nothing as swayed me yet from the Top 5 I've been going with most of the year: Cooper Cumberbatch DiCaprio Smith Washington It just feels right. We don't always need to have a first time nominee. Maybe, but 5 big movie stars nominated? I don't buy it. I don't think their celebrity stature really has any barring on whether we should predict them or not, they're just the 5 in the best position right now. Who's your predicted 5? |
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Post by franklin on Oct 1, 2021 11:36:52 GMT
1. Will Smith (King Richard)
2. Denzel Washington (The Tragedy of Macbeth)
3. Benedict Cumberbatch (The Power of The Dog)
4. Leonardo DiCaprio (Don't Look Up)
5. Jamie Dornan (Belfast) *
*= If he's campaigned in Lead
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Post by flasuss on Oct 1, 2021 19:44:08 GMT
Maybe, but 5 big movie stars nominated? I don't buy it. I don't think their celebrity stature really has any barring on whether we should predict them or not, they're just the 5 in the best position right now. Who's your predicted 5? I could see either Cooper or Di Caprio missing altogether (well, actually, at this stage I can see anyone doing so) with someone like Dornan or Dinkage, or both, getting in. Not to mention a spoiler- not that many people were predicting Riz Ahmed last year. |
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Post by mhynson27 on Oct 1, 2021 23:23:13 GMT
I don't think their celebrity stature really has any barring on whether we should predict them or not, they're just the 5 in the best position right now. Who's your predicted 5? I could see either Cooper or Di Caprio missing altogether (well, actually, at this stage I can see anyone doing so) with someone like Dornan or Dinkage, or both, getting in. Not to mention a spoiler- not that many people were predicting Riz Ahmed last year. I do agree that Dornan could be a spoiler, but I still doubt they'll push him Lead. I could be misremembering, but I feel like quite a few people were predicting Ahmed at this point, it's not like there were many other options. Cumberbatch, Washington and Smith is an insanely comfortable Top 3, and I don't think there's really any point arguing that. If we then look at DiCaprio and Cooper, they are two absolute Academy favourites, one being directed by McKay, and the other del Toro in Searchlight's #1 (both who got 3 acting noms with their last films). Dinklage is in a Joe Wright musical that won't even be MGM's #1. |
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Post by mhynson27 on Oct 4, 2021 22:49:06 GMT
Had no chance of an Oscar nom anyway, but Foster will be competing at the Emmy's now instead.
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Post by stephen on Oct 4, 2021 22:50:29 GMT
Hey now, HBO getting a campaign for Ben Foster is a worthy consolation prize. Better him to be an Emmy winner than snubbed at the Oscars.
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Post by Mattsby on Oct 4, 2021 23:30:10 GMT
HBO makes sense with Levinson's whole productivity with them. And maybe some Emmy action for Ben Foster, even Krieps who's pretty good - btw stephen Foster technically already a winner - Daytime Emmy for Bang Bang You're Dead ! |
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