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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Apr 15, 2022 22:19:59 GMT
It is interesting that Mads mentions the first two films specifically instead of the original trilogy overall. I wonder if that means Indy 5 will be darker in tone, or at least not as reliant on humor as Last Crusade.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Apr 15, 2022 23:46:43 GMT
It is interesting that Mads mentions the first two films specifically instead of the original trilogy overall. I wonder if that means Indy 5 will be darker in tone, or at least not as reliant on humor as Last Crusade. I think my issue would be that, if it does go for a darker tone, that’s cool. But Temple of Doom is such an obnoxious, mean-spirited movie that any comparisons makes me wince.
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Post by countjohn on Apr 16, 2022 4:04:45 GMT
It is interesting that Mads mentions the first two films specifically instead of the original trilogy overall. I wonder if that means Indy 5 will be darker in tone, or at least not as reliant on humor as Last Crusade. I also was a little confused by that comparison because I wouldn't really compare Raiders and ToD like that. I'd say Raiders and Last Crusade are the ones that are the most similar to each other with ToD having a lot more distinctive elements (manic pace, horror movie elements, oriental setting, gross out humor, exc). Like Ryan I also hate Temple of Doom so that comparison being made does not increase my optimism level.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Apr 16, 2022 5:02:45 GMT
It is interesting that Mads mentions the first two films specifically instead of the original trilogy overall. I wonder if that means Indy 5 will be darker in tone, or at least not as reliant on humor as Last Crusade. I also was a little confused by that comparison because I wouldn't really compare Raiders and ToD like that. I'd say Raiders and Last Crusade are the ones that are the most similar to each other with ToD having a lot more distinctive elements (manic pace, horror movie elements, oriental setting, gross out humor, exc). Like Ryan I also hate Temple of Doom so that comparison being made does not increase my optimism level. Yeah, I agree that Raiders and Last Crusade are more similar. Perhaps Mads really means 1 and 3 and got the order of movies wrong... or he also hates Temple of Doom and just pretends it doesn't exist.
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Post by mhynson27 on Apr 16, 2022 5:46:02 GMT
Or he genuinely believes that there are only 2 films besides Skull. Mads strikes me as the kind of guy that doesn't really care all that much about the franchises that he's starring in.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Apr 16, 2022 6:49:34 GMT
Or he genuinely believes that there are only 2 films besides Skull. Mads strikes me as the kind of guy that doesn't really care all that much about the franchises that he's starring in. I suppose it's possible he only knows of two other films in the franchise, but it doesn't seem likely to me based on the full quote from the THR interview below. He seems genuinely passionate about the first film at least and knows enough to be aware of its artistic influences, so I think I'd expect someone who honestly claims that Raiders was a favorite of theirs would at least be aware of all the other films in the franchise, especially ones that have a relatively large pop-cultural footprint like Temple of Doom and Last Crusade, plus the fact that there are only three other films in the series (it's not like the Bond franchise where even a moderate Bond fan could be forgiven for forgetting that Octopussy exists out of 24 other films that span 7 decades). “[Raiders of the Lost Ark] was one of my favorite films, and it just oozed that golden period of serials from the 1940s — and that’s in the fifth film as well,” he says. “They’re going heavily back to the first and second film and getting that original feel, the original Indy, something dense and epic.”
Edit: Also, I just realized he refers to the new film as "the fifth film" in the full quote lol.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Apr 16, 2022 7:53:42 GMT
Actually, mulling over that full quote more, I think Mads could be referring to the way that Raiders and Temple of Doom resemble a full-blown 1930s Saturday serial more than Last Crusade, which somewhat deviates from that model (you could even argue that Temple of Doom feels more like a straight serial than Raiders). Mads's description of them as "dense and epic" to me suggests how Raiders and Doom in particular are packed with set pieces, one after another, so Mangold might be trying to recapture that feeling of a true serial - a framework that sort of became looser in the latter two films by an attempt at more emotionally-driven narrative arcs.
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Post by ibbi on Apr 16, 2022 14:38:20 GMT
Actually, mulling over that full quote more, I think Mads could be referring to the way that Raiders and Temple of Doom resemble a full-blown 1930s Saturday serial more than Last Crusade, which somewhat deviates from that model (you could even argue that Temple of Doom feels more like a straight serial than Raiders). Mads's description of them as "dense and epic" to me suggests how Raiders and Doom in particular are packed with set pieces, one after another, so Mangold might be trying to recapture that feeling of a true serial - a framework that sort of became looser in the latter two films by an attempt at more emotionally-driven narrative arcs. 100% agreed. The third film is not really at all like the previous two in that regard. Of course, the 4th film sort of tried to recapture something similar and failed miserably, so it's hardly a guarantee of any kind of quality.
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Post by speeders on Apr 16, 2022 15:05:47 GMT
Temple of Doom is my favorite so this actually makes me more excited
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Post by countjohn on May 1, 2022 2:15:40 GMT
It just randomly occurred to me today that the Indiana Jones films are only as good as whoever Indy's main companion is. Karen Allen and Sean Connery= good, Kate Capshaw and Shia LeBeouf........err, yeah
So I'm interested to see what the supporting characters here are like and who's going to be the main second lead. Probably gonna have to wait for the trailer.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on May 1, 2022 2:23:09 GMT
It just randomly occurred to me today that the Indiana Jones films are only as good as whoever Indy's main companion is. Karen Allen and Sean Connery= good, Kate Capshaw and Shia LeBeouf........err, yeah So I'm interested to see what the supporting characters here are like and who's going to be the main second lead. Probably gonna have to wait for the trailer. How dare you besmirch the good name of Short Round by excluding him! For shame!
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 1, 2022 2:33:48 GMT
It just randomly occurred to me today that the Indiana Jones films are only as good as whoever Indy's main companion is. Karen Allen and Sean Connery= good, Kate Capshaw and Shia LeBeouf........err, yeah So I'm interested to see what the supporting characters here are like and who's going to be the main second lead. Probably gonna have to wait for the trailer. How dare you besmirch the good name of Short Round by excluding him! For shame! Okie Dokie Mr Fish, but Short Round’s annoying as fuck! Okay, not as annoying as Willie (NO ONE will ever be), but still
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 1, 2022 2:36:59 GMT
It just randomly occurred to me today that the Indiana Jones films are only as good as whoever Indy's main companion is. Karen Allen and Sean Connery= good, Kate Capshaw and Shia LeBeouf........err, yeah So I'm interested to see what the supporting characters here are like and who's going to be the main second lead. Probably gonna have to wait for the trailer. I’d at least argue that Mutt was what Willie should have been. But yeah, I really hope the supporting cast stacks up
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on May 1, 2022 2:51:16 GMT
It just randomly occurred to me today that the Indiana Jones films are only as good as whoever Indy's main companion is. Karen Allen and Sean Connery= good, Kate Capshaw and Shia LeBeouf........err, yeah So I'm interested to see what the supporting characters here are like and who's going to be the main second lead. Probably gonna have to wait for the trailer. Phoebe Waller-Bridge is the female lead.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on May 1, 2022 2:53:24 GMT
I understand people hating Willie, but I've never found Short Round annoying and have always loved him.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 1, 2022 4:11:44 GMT
I understand people hating Willie, but I've never found Short Round annoying and have always loved him. For me, it really is all down to the speech. His dialogue isn’t in yellowface territory, but it’s kind of a symptom of the general stereotyping within that movie.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on May 1, 2022 5:08:35 GMT
I understand people hating Willie, but I've never found Short Round annoying and have always loved him. For me, it really is all down to the speech. His dialogue isn’t in yellowface territory, but it’s kind of a symptom of the general stereotyping within that movie. True, I can see some of the stereotyping putting you off the character. "Feels like I'm stepping on fortune cookies" is one bit of dialogue that makes me cringe every time I watch the bugs scene. I still enjoy the Spielbergian parent/child dynamic he and Indy have that inflects their more collegial relationship, the fact that he's like a young Indy and looks up to him (though Indy is clearly not the best influence on him ), and I think he just has a lot of funny moments that make him feel like an authentic kid ("It wasn't me! It's her!"). On paper, the idea of giving Indiana Jones a kid sidekick sounds awful, but somehow it works (for me at least).
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Post by countjohn on May 1, 2022 6:28:03 GMT
It just randomly occurred to me today that the Indiana Jones films are only as good as whoever Indy's main companion is. Karen Allen and Sean Connery= good, Kate Capshaw and Shia LeBeouf........err, yeah So I'm interested to see what the supporting characters here are like and who's going to be the main second lead. Probably gonna have to wait for the trailer. Phoebe Waller-Bridge is the female lead. That's what I thought, even if the "long lost daughter" rumors aren't true it will likely be a paternal thing which could be interesting to see. Maybe a bit of an inversion of Last Crusade. I understand people hating Willie, but I've never found Short Round annoying and have always loved him. I would not say I "love" Short Round but he's fine, although Capshaw was clearly intended as the second lead so I mentioned her. Might have been borderline watchable if you just take Willie out of it altogether and make it just about Indy and Short Round.
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Post by wonky on May 21, 2022 19:40:48 GMT
John Williams is 90 years old and writing his fifth Indiana Jones score "right now," per one of his album producers at the end of this podcast
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on May 26, 2022 19:54:12 GMT
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Post by countjohn on May 26, 2022 20:28:09 GMT
If they shoot the entire movie with him in profile like that we can just pretend he's not 80 years old.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jul 28, 2022 17:14:53 GMT
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Sept 3, 2022 22:08:37 GMT
John Williams just premiered part of the score at the Hollywood Bowl!!!
“Helena's Theme” for Phoebe Waller-Bridge's character (you can hear references to Marion's Theme).
This is about as old school as it gets... structurally, harmonically, and also the style of string playing (more portamento than is typical today, closer to studio-era playing). Whenever a director gives JW an excuse to tap into his roots as a jazz arranger and pianist, we should be happy.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Sept 11, 2022 21:35:02 GMT
John Rhys-Davies is now listed on the film's IMDb page. Sallah!
Also, apparently PWB is playing Indy's goddaughter... could she be a Brody?
The trailer was shown at the D23 Expo, so hopefully it'll drop online soon...
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Post by quetee on Sept 12, 2022 16:38:57 GMT
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