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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 28, 2021 13:31:54 GMT
"He made a film the next year called Come See The Paradise, which also flopped and was a 20th Century Fox release. He was the only major star in that. The guy had limited appeal but kept getting chances."No. I covered this already. He did not keep on getting chances actually - it was the same chance: Come See The Paradise was made in the EXACT period that GBOF was opening - not "a year later" actually - but in the Summer of 1989 when the expectation was he'd be a big star off of GBOF itself - that's why he got this movie...... This started filming in August so he could do publicity for GBOF - released June 30th - 1989 - so that's another thing - it had a cushy Summer date too!  As I said that's quite a 1-2 punch of losering - an under 20 million dollar budget - that again lost money - a bigger flop but without the commercial upside of GBOF either so he wasn't a star and he couldn't carry a prestige pic.....he did not get a lead alone, ever, that's is correct - until 13 years later maybe - but that's in a different way anyway......after his peak years were long over. Ymmv |
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 28, 2021 13:38:23 GMT
You ignored the fact that every film he did after The Big Easy up until Great Balls Of Fire lost money. He was not a draw. And he was not percieved as a generational talent. Just a charismatic guy with a shit eating grin. Great Balls Of Fire just lost more money than all the other films he made that lost money....and his career kept on trucking.
He had one modest success in 1986 and milked it for a 20 year + career as a leading man, despite audiences being completely apathetic to him. That isn't derailment. It's failing upwards.
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Post by LaraQ on Mar 28, 2021 13:39:39 GMT
The Love Guru pretty much killed Mike Myer's career stone dead.
Abduction ended Taylor Lautner's burgeoning movie stardom before it had barely begun.
The one,two punch of Cutthroat Island and The Long Kiss Goodnight pretty much ended Geena Davis's career as a leading lady.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 28, 2021 13:59:17 GMT
He had one modest success in 1986 and milked it for a 20 year + career as a leading man, despite audiences being completely apathetic to him. That isn't derailment. It's failing upwards. Well, like I said it earlier it depends how you see it for everyone mentioned in this thread: * Prior to GBOF he was co-starring with an Oscar winner with multiple nods (Lange) - he was in a few movies that turned a small profit as a co-star - he was young and in his peak - and afterwards, he didn't get a solo lead for over a decade - he lost a decade + and everything that his career had been building towards. * His career upside looked a lot better pre-1989 than it did after, whatever you want to call it, to me.........it's obvious derailment. * Lot of hype.....lots of magazine covers, lots of TV appearances...........As Jerry Lee himself said - um, utterly wrongly: He was born to play me,” Lewis said of the film’s leading man. “And playin’ me in this film is gonna make him into one hell of a damn star.”
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Post by JangoB on Mar 28, 2021 14:00:11 GMT
There was a period when Rob Schneider had a tryout run as a Happy Madison lead and had his own little streak of projects but Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo (and his reaction to its reception) quickly ended all that.
Let's all remember how huge he once was!
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 28, 2021 14:46:57 GMT
You ignored the fact that every film he did after The Big Easy up until Great Balls Of Fire lost money. He was not a draw. And he was not percieved as a generational talent. Just a charismatic guy with a shit eating grin. Great Balls Of Fire just lost more money than all the other films he made that lost money....and his career kept on trucking. He had one modest success in 1986 and milked it for a 20 year + career as a leading man, despite audiences being completely apathetic to him. That isn't derailment. It's failing upwards. Yeah, Quaid is really a special case, and probably more sympathetic of "white male privilege" status in Hollywood, then anything else. I guess I could understand mentioning Great Balls of Fire as maybe derailing his career as far as Oscary type roles are concerned (I remember somebody pointing it out as a flop that could have ended his career for good), but the dude kept chugging along for decades despite that. And it’s not like his career was only full of flops. It’s just that often he was not the reason to see those movies. Many of his biggest hits’ post 1989, were either carried more by a co-star ( Postcards from The Edge, Something to Talk About), or were ensemble pictures ( Any Given Sunday, Traffic, Vantage Point), and then there were things like Frequency (a WOM Hit), The Day After Tomorrow (disaster flick), family pictures like The Rookie, and The Parent Trap, and critical acclaimed hits such as Far from Heaven, and In Good Company, among others. In a way it’s not too dissimilar to a career like Christian Slater or even to a lesser degree Ryan Reynolds pre- Deadpool, just without the constant barrage of bombs, and more spread out successes that could lead to a career as a direct to video / DVD star. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 28, 2021 14:53:12 GMT
You ignored the fact that every film he did after The Big Easy up until Great Balls Of Fire lost money. He was not a draw. And he was not percieved as a generational talent. Just a charismatic guy with a shit eating grin. Great Balls Of Fire just lost more money than all the other films he made that lost money....and his career kept on trucking. He had one modest success in 1986 and milked it for a 20 year + career as a leading man, despite audiences being completely apathetic to him. That isn't derailment. It's failing upwards. And it’s not like his career was only full of flops. It’s just that often he was not the reason to see those movies. Many of his biggest hits’ post 1989, were either carried more by his a co-star ( Postcards from The Edge, Something to Talk About), Exactly right - because post-89 - 2002 that's where he was marginalized to co-starring or support roles fora decade +.......he was never the reason to see ANY movie.................nobody thought that until 1989 came along however ......... |
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 28, 2021 15:00:46 GMT
You ignored the fact that every film he did after The Big Easy up until Great Balls Of Fire lost money. He was not a draw. And he was not percieved as a generational talent. Just a charismatic guy with a shit eating grin. Great Balls Of Fire just lost more money than all the other films he made that lost money....and his career kept on trucking. He had one modest success in 1986 and milked it for a 20 year + career as a leading man, despite audiences being completely apathetic to him. That isn't derailment. It's failing upwards. Yeah, Quaid is really a special case, and probably more sympathetic of "white male privilege" status in Hollywood, then anything else. I guess I could understand mentioning Great Balls of Fire as maybe derailing his career as far as Oscary type roles are concerned (I remember somebody pointing it out as a flop that could have ended his career for good), but the dude kept chugging along for decades despite that. Bingo, you got it in one. And since he was never an Oscary critical darling type actor to begin with, it's not like he lost anything he already had some sort of God given right to. His career kept chugging along and he kept getting bigger opportunities than his track record arguably merited. He was never a draw. All his films directly after The Big Easy (despite almost all having high profile co-stars) showed that, as they were all money losers. For a guy who was never a draw and never regarded as a generational talent, I think he had an extremely impressive career and was percieved as a "star" for decades. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 28, 2021 15:21:21 GMT
Yeah, Quaid is really a special case, and probably more sympathetic of "white male privilege" status in Hollywood, then anything else. I guess I could understand mentioning Great Balls of Fire as maybe derailing his career as far as Oscary type roles are concerned (I remember somebody pointing it out as a flop that could have ended his career for good), but the dude kept chugging along for decades despite that. Bingo, you got it in one. And since he was never an Oscary critical darling type actor to begin with, it's not like he lost anything he already had some sort of God given right to. His career kept chugging along and he kept getting bigger opportunities than his track record arguably merited. He was never a draw. All his films directly after The Big Easy (despite almost all having high profile co-stars) showed that, as they were all money losers. For a guy who was never a draw and never regarded as a generational talent, I think he had an extremely impressive career and was percieved as a "star" for decades. Yup, a very special case. If anything he was in more hits in the last decade then he ever was in the 80's. |
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Post by speeders on Mar 28, 2021 15:23:19 GMT
Of those that haven't been mentioned...
Lindsay Lohan's 2007 two-punch (in the groin) "Georgia Rule" and "I Know Who Killed Me".
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 28, 2021 15:23:59 GMT
And it’s not like his career was only full of flops. It’s just that often he was not the reason to see those movies. Many of his biggest hits’ post 1989, were either carried more by his a co-star ( Postcards from The Edge, Something to Talk About), Exactly right - because post-89 - 2002 that's where he was marginalized to co-starring or support roles fora decade +.......he was never the reason to see ANY movie.................nobody thought that until 1989 came along however ......... I mean he was the lead of a lot of those movies too including Dragonheart, you're not wrong though that he did do a lot of co-starring, and or playing second fiddle to bigger named actresses. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 28, 2021 15:34:37 GMT
Exactly right - because post-89 - 2002 that's where he was marginalized to co-starring or support roles fora decade +.......he was never the reason to see ANY movie.................nobody thought that until 1989 came along however ......... I mean he was the lead of a lot of those movies too including Dragonheart, you're not wrong though that he did do a lot of co-starring, and or playing second fiddle to bigger named actresses. He was mostly co-starring with stars equal to or bigger than him from The Big Easy onwards in 1986. It wasn't a development that happened after 1989 (and he still could barely buy a hit ): The Big Easy co-starred with Ellen Barkin Innerspace- Co-starred with Martin Short and Meg Ryan D.O.A-Co-starred with Meg Ryan Everybody's All-American- Co-starred with Jessica Lange Suspect- Co-starred with Cher Great Balls Of Fire- Co-starred with Winona Ryder All money losers or flops except for The Big Easy. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 28, 2021 15:38:57 GMT
I mean he was the lead of a lot of those movies too including Dragonheart, you're not wrong though that he did do a lot of co-starring, and or playing second fiddle to bigger named actresses. He was mostly co-starring with stars equal to or bigger than him from The Big Easy onwards in 1986. It wasn't a development that happened after 1989 (and he still could barely buy a hit ): The Big Easy co-starred with Ellen Barkin Innerspace- Co-starred with Martin Short and Meg Ryan D.O.A-Co-starred with Meg Ryan Everybody's All-American- Co-starred with Jessica Lange Suspect- Co-starred with Cher Great Balls Of Fire- Co-starred with Winona Ryder All money losers or flops except for The Big Easy. was a released couple of months before The Big Easy, but yeah. Almost all of them did make consistent numbers at least, but this dude had a bad "opening at #3" streak, too expensive budget problem, for a while there.  |
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 28, 2021 15:50:21 GMT
I mean he was the lead of a lot of those movies too including Dragonheart, you're not wrong though that he did do a lot of co-starring, and or playing second fiddle to bigger named actresses. He was mostly co-starring with stars equal to or bigger than him from The Big Easy onwards in 1986. It wasn't a development that happened after 1989 (and he still could barely buy a hit ): The Big Easy co-starred with Ellen Barkin Innerspace- Co-starred with Martin Short and Meg Ryan D.O.A-Co-starred with Meg Ryan Everybody's All-American- Co-starred with Jessica Lange Suspect- Co-starred with Cher Great Balls Of Fire- Co-starred with Winona Ryder All money losers or flops except for The Big Easy.  - Innnerspace made a little money, so did Suspect - just check Wikipedia.......... GBOF was the one film where he was seen as THE lead not a co-star even though Winona was in it - she was hardly his "co-star" - that's her 5th or 6th film period iirc. See poster, below. That's exactly why GBOF was the derailment for him - his one lead, his most notable failure that fell on his shoulders, no acting lead for 13 years and he loses his peak years. It's not the GBOF was a "new development" (?) - it's that it wasn't a hit as expected to give him lead roles .......he had a career - not the career that was anticipated.  |
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 28, 2021 16:00:56 GMT
Do you man. You seem really sold on this notion that Dennis Quaid was some burgeoning box office megastar/multiple Oscar winning actor, who tragically lost all that when Great Balls Of Fire flopped.
I counter that he was never a draw, mostly made films that flopped or lost money and was mostly a professional co-star before GBOF and was never percieved as a generational talent or a critical darling. Yet he still managed to be considered a "star" for another decade and a half after GBOF.
The guy, imho, overperformed in his career by maintaining stardom for so long, without ever really being a draw or a critical darling actor. So yeah, agree to disagree and time to move on.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 28, 2021 16:14:57 GMT
Eddie Murphy with Norbit and Meet Dave is another clear example. He wasn't seen as an asset anymore. was to Eddie Murphy what Jon Avnet was to Al Pacino - the first movie is a disaster so, hey let's team up again almost immediately afterwards! Bastard!  |
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Post by jakesully on Mar 28, 2021 16:38:09 GMT
Boyd Holbrook in The Predator Hot off of his great performance in 2 seasons of the hit Netflix show Narcos and then in the massive hit film Logan, I sincerely thought he was destined for greatness/ A-List status but imo because of The Predator bombing big time at the box office (and panned by audiences & film critics) I think it side tracked his once promising career as a true leading man. Thanks a lot Shane Black. Still can't believe how badly he botched that film. But on the bright side, I think Boyd can rebound big time (I know I'll be rooting for him as I think he is very talented/still relatively young and has movie star looks) He'll be fine.  |
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 29, 2021 0:31:45 GMT
I mean he was never going to be a huge star in film, but Topher Grace playing Venom in Spider Man 3 DEFINITELY stopped whatever career momentum he had in its tracks.
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Post by getclutch on Aug 24, 2021 20:04:12 GMT
I expected so much from Emmy Rossum in the early 2000's. The Poseidon remake was no use. No idea why she even did Dragonball Evolution. So sad. I am glad she is still working today.  |
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Post by getclutch on Aug 24, 2021 20:07:00 GMT
Michael Keaton gave up mainstream Hollywood after Jack Frost, and a couple of flops. Aside from a couple of films like White Noise (which wasn't even marketed as a Keaton film, but a horror movie released in the doldrums of January), he wouldn't make a proper comeback until Birdman. A major reason why nothing went well for him the following decade. So glad he has recovered. |
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Post by michael128 on Aug 24, 2021 20:31:28 GMT
Michael Fassbender's 2016 really did him no favors: Assassin's Creed failed, nobody but me saw The Light Between Oceans, what the hell even is Trespass Against Us (I've seen it apparently but remember absolutely nothing about it), and X-Men: Apocalypse was a mixed bag at best. Since then he worked with Malick (in a film that's quite solid but few people really discuss), Scott again (to vastly diminishing returns from their previous outing), and the coup de grace: The Snowman. He's got a few things on his upcoming docket that might dig him out of his (harry) hole, but Jesus, that was a rough period. Isn't he a father now though? I thought that's why he was slowing down. I don't really see those roles as the career "derailing" type. They just weren't super successful. |
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Post by michael128 on Aug 24, 2021 20:36:00 GMT
Defending Your Life was the beginning of Meryl Streep's longest Oscar drought.
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Post by michael128 on Aug 24, 2021 20:39:16 GMT
Say it with me: Never. Again.
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Post by franklin on Aug 24, 2021 21:07:23 GMT
Hilary Swank after The Black Dahlia and Amelia.
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Post by futuretrunks on Aug 25, 2021 1:08:21 GMT
The Love Guru pretty much killed Mike Myer's career stone dead. Abduction ended Taylor Lautner's burgeoning movie stardom before it had barely begun. The one,two punch of Cutthroat Island and The Long Kiss Goodnight pretty much ended Geena Davis's career as a leading lady. I feell like Mike Myers ended his own career. The Love Guru failed, but what stopped him from doing another Austin Powers, or some other movie? |
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- Innnerspace made a little money, so did Suspect - just check Wikipedia..........GBOF was the one film where he was seen as THE lead not a co-star even though Winona was in it - she was hardly his "co-star" - that's her 5th or 6th film period iirc. See poster, below.
