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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 28, 2021 0:50:39 GMT
Mira Sorvino - At First Sight
She was awesome from 1994-1998. I think the movie that took her down was At First Sight with Val Kilmer in 1999. It wasn't the cultural impacting film like City of Angels was. The first attempt at making Sorvino appear like a sweetheart failed, that movie was lame, nobody fell for it. And the 00s generation young bloods just rose and pushed Sorvino to the back starting in the next year. I don't remember her getting any good parts after that. She had a nice run and was famous in the late 90s...Mighty Aphrodite, Norma Jean and Marilyn, Romy and Michele's High School Reunion, and The Replacement Killers which was a fun movie that the audience mostly liked because of the stardom of Chow Yun-Fat. But nobody liked At First Sight. I think if she were just a little bit more famous in 1995, she would've cast in Leaving Las Vegas and be the first to win 2 Oscars in one night. She would've perfect for that role, even over Elisabeth Shue imo. But she wasn't famous enough in 1995 having only Barcelona that made much impression on industry experts to be billed as first in line for a major role. This is very interesting. Because I initially could never exactly pinpoint why Mira Sorvino's star declined. She won a deserving Oscar. Made an absolute cult classic in Romy And Michele's High School Reunion. She had talent, presence, charm, likability and was an Oscar winner. It was a mystery. She should have stayed A-list for as long as someone like Reese Witherspoon, imho. But at the same time, Sorvino herself has pinpointed Harvey Weinstein as the primary reason her career began to decline. She declined his advances, and she started finding out she wasn't able to get cast in certain films where Weinstein had an influence. Peter Jackson admitted that he was interested in casting both Sorvino and Ashley Judd for Lord Of The Rings, but was told by Weinstein that they were both a "nightmare" to work with. So he stopped considering them. That shit actually makes me angry. Harvey really fucked up some careers. www.theguardian.com/film/2017/dec/15/peter-jackson-harvey-weinstein-ashley-judd-mira-sorvinoI don't think we'll ever know what actually happened with Harvey and Sorvino. Or Gwyneth Paltrow. Or lots of people. But I just remember 2000 and 2001 being huge turning point years. The teen entertainment world was into Sorvino in 1999. She was well known, and presented at the VMAs. But by 2000 and 2001, lots of people's minds were on things like Britney Spears and LOTR. LOTR might've made a difference, yeah. But I dunno.... did Liv Tyler make much career headway after LOTR? But maybe Weinstein was more into Renee Zellweger by 2001.... lol. I think she was probably the one that derailed Sorvino's (and lots of others') career more than anyone else because she won pretty much everything in the early 00s and just replaced the 90s stars.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 28, 2021 1:01:07 GMT
Cara Delevingne and Halle Berry are not equivalent. The reason Delevingne could be hurt so badly by "Razzie worthy performance" notices was because she was so early in her career and not established. By the time Catwoman rolled around, Berry was a 15 year industry veteran who had already won an Oscar and an Emmy. It hurt her short term, but it was nothing she couldn't recover from. Berry"s main issue was always a lack of quality vehicles available for black actresses, not Catwoman being shit. Swordfish and Gothika may have made money or got press attention, but I wouldn't call them good movies Berry was still easily the most in demand black actress in the industry after Catwoman. She still had the X-Men movies. She was still being cast opposite major leading men like Bruce Willis. She was being cast oppposite Benicio Del Toro in prestige projects. She was still being cast opposite megastars like Tom Hanks as the female lead in Cloud Atlas, a big budget studio picture . The Call, in which she was the only star, was a box office hit. Her most recent roles was as the lead opposite Daniel Craig in the indie-drama Kings, and as the female lead opposite Keanu Reeves in John Wick 3.To me, the woman has more or less stayed in the "permanent A-list" realm since Catwoman. Even if the projects don't work, she only works on significant projects with significant stars and A-listers. And usually as the main female star. All the more impressive considering she is in her mid-50's. It's not like she is now playing someone's Mom on a CW show. Yeah Berry's an interesting case. She actually was kinda pushed off the a-list after Perfect Stranger tanked, partially owning to her bad movies choices, and also probably a lack of good scripts coming her way, but also she's been making quite a rebound in recent years. Most of her most wide-released movies do well, even that crappy looking Kidnap movie she was in overperformed opening weekend given it was from a third-rate distributor. Yeah, it was impressive how Berry opened Kidnap all by herself to over a 10 million dollar opening weekend in 2017 (it opened higher than Detroit, a much better reviewed, promoted and bigger budgeted studio film). A movie with shitty reviews, but people still showed up for Halle Berry because she remained a major star. That's why I compare her to JLo. Both of them have still managed to mostly maintain the appearance of A-list status, despite making mostly forgettable movies. And Berry maintaining her audience appeal feels more impressive, since she doesn't have a singing career to supplement her.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 28, 2021 1:05:15 GMT
Yeah Berry's an interesting case. She actually was kinda pushed off the a-list after Perfect Stranger tanked, partially owning to her bad movies choices, and also probably a lack of good scripts coming her way, but also she's been making quite a rebound in recent years. Most of her most wide-released movies do well, even that crappy looking Kidnap movie she was in overperformed opening weekend given it was from a third-rate distributor. Yeah, it was impressive how Berry opened Kidnap all by herself to over a 10 million dollar opening weekend in 2017 (it opened higher than Detroit, a much better reviewed, promoted and bigger budgeted studio film). A movie with shitty reviews, but people still showed up for Halle Berry because she remains a major star. That's why I compare her to JLo. Both of them have still managed to maintain the appearance of A-list status, despite making mostly forgettable movies. And Berry maintaining her audience appeal feels more impressive, since she doesn't have a singing career to supplement her. Berry has a mostly very loyal audience that clearly likes to show up and see her "take charge and action". It's really not too incomparable to somebody like Denzel for example, just on a smaller scale.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 28, 2021 1:08:24 GMT
Another interesting discussion around this, is when actors more or less loses their leading man, theatrical status because of one role or one film. Some of the actors I listed may have or already have had comebacks, but this one film was a literally a cap on their earlier career.
Michael Keaton gave up mainstream Hollywood after Jack Frost, and a couple of flops. Aside from a couple of films like White Noise (which wasn't even marketed as a Keaton film, but a horror movie released in the doldrums of January), he wouldn't make a proper comeback until Birdman.
Chevy Chase's leading man comedy career came crashing down with Vegas Vacation.
Similarly, Hollywood was done with Dan Aykroyd as a funny man headliner for good after The Blues Brothers 2000.
And both Nicolas Cage and John Cusack saw their theatrical leading man careers die in 2012 with Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance, and The Raven. With Cage this was a last-minute attempt to stay relevant while facing tax issues and a couple of flops prior. Meanwhile as far as Cusack was concerned, I just assume his alleged angry behavior did him in, because he was just coming off two hits when The Raven tanked in theaters.
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Post by morton on Mar 28, 2021 1:48:49 GMT
Another interesting discussion around this, is when actors more or less loses their leading man . theatrical status because of one role or one film. Some of the actors I listed may have or already have had comebacks, but this one film was a literally a cap on their earlier career. Michael Keaton gave up mainstream Hollywood after Jack Frost, and a couple of flops. Aside from a couple of films like White Noise (which wasn't even marketed as a Keaton film, but horror movie released in the doldrums of January), he wouldn't make a proper comeback until Birdman. Chevy Chase's leading man comedy career came crashing down with Vegas Vacation. Similarly, Hollywood was done with Dan Aykroyd as a funny man headliner for good after The Blues Brothers 2000. And both Nicolas Cage and John Cusack saw their theatrical leading man careers die in 2012 with Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance, and The Raven. With Cage this was a last-minute attempt to stay relevant while facing tax issues and a couple of flops prior. Meanwhile as far as Cusack was concerned, I just assume his alleged angry behavior did him in, because he was just coming off two hits when The Raven tanked in theaters. I think Kevin Costner’s career couldn’t survive both Waterworld and The Postman. Arnie’s was another casualty of Batman and Robin, but I think his real problems started with The Last Action Hero because it was so hyped as being incredibly funny and “smart” at least for an action film but no one cared. He still had success, but I feel that’s when things started to go south for him. Not sure when Bruce Willis’s was because he had a lot of up and downs over his career, and even had a big movie in 2000 with Unbreakable, but after that it seemed like audiences were just over him for the most part. Maybe that was a case of his attitude finally catching up with him too. As much as I dislike Kevin Smith, Willis does seem like he could be a nightmare to work with if wants to be. Then there are the lower tier action stars who eventually fell off like Steven Seagal and Jean-Claude Van Damme among others. I feel like Vin Diesel could easily be in this category, but he was smart enough to be in the so far unstoppable Fast and the Furious series. No wonder he got pissed at Dwayne Johnson for Johnson trying to do the same thing. I wouldn’t want any competition for my main meal ticket either lol. If I were him I’d be all paranoid having voodoo dolls and what not of Johnson, Cena, Statham, the younger Eastwood, etc. so they’d get away from his franchise. Further this kind of thing happens a lot to male comedians. I guess because it’s either a case of diminishing returns with their big budget films for the most part or an Itchy and Scratchy type of thing where they don’t stop being funny, but the audience just gets tired of them. I suspect it’s a mixture. Like you mentioned Chevy Chase and Dan Aykroyd, and there was Jim Carrey, Vince Vaughn, Will Ferrell, Jack Black, Ben Stiller, Seth Rogen, Michael Cera, etc. over the years who all were big or seemed poised to be big, and then had a string of disappointments.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 28, 2021 1:55:45 GMT
Another interesting discussion around this, is when actors more or less loses their leading man . theatrical status because of one role or one film. Some of the actors I listed may have or already have had comebacks, but this one film was a literally a cap on their earlier career. Michael Keaton gave up mainstream Hollywood after Jack Frost, and a couple of flops. Aside from a couple of films like White Noise (which wasn't even marketed as a Keaton film, but horror movie released in the doldrums of January), he wouldn't make a proper comeback until Birdman. Chevy Chase's leading man comedy career came crashing down with Vegas Vacation. Similarly, Hollywood was done with Dan Aykroyd as a funny man headliner for good after The Blues Brothers 2000. And both Nicolas Cage and John Cusack saw their theatrical leading man careers die in 2012 with Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance, and The Raven. With Cage this was a last-minute attempt to stay relevant while facing tax issues and a couple of flops prior. Meanwhile as far as Cusack was concerned, I just assume his alleged angry behavior did him in, because he was just coming off two hits when The Raven tanked in theaters. I think Kevin Costner’s career couldn’t survive both Waterworld and The Postman. Arnie’s was another casualty of Batman and Robin, but I think his real problems started with The Last Action Hero because it was so hyped as being incredibly funny and “smart” at least for an action film but no one cared. He still had success, but I feel that’s when things started to go south for him. Not sure when Bruce Willis’s was because he had a lot of up and downs over his career, and even had a big movie in 2000 with Unbreakable, but after that it seemed like audiences were just over him for the most part. Maybe that was a case of his attitude finally catching up with him too. As much as I dislike Kevin Smith, Willis does seem like he could be a nightmare to work with if wants to be. Then there are the lower tier action stars who eventually fell off like Steven Seagal and Jean-Claude Van Damme among others. I feel like Vin Diesel could easily be in this category, but he was smart enough to be in the so far unstoppable Fast and the Furious series. No wonder he got pissed at Dwayne Johnson for Johnson trying to do the same thing. I wouldn’t want any competition for my main meal ticket either lol. If I were him I’d be all paranoid having voodoo dolls and what not of Johnson, Cena, Statham, the younger Eastwood, etc. so they’d get away from his franchise. Further this kind of thing happens a lot to male comedians. I guess because it’s either a case of diminishing returns where their big budget films for the most part or an Itchy and Scratchy type of thing where they don’t stop being funny, but the audience just gets tired of them. I suspect it’s a mixture. Like you mentioned Chevy Chase and Dan Aykroyd, and there was Jim Carrey, Vince Vaughn, Will Ferrell, Jack Black, Ben Stiller, Seth Rogen, Michael Cera, etc. over the years who all were big or seemed poised to be big, and then had a string of disappointments. Costner's career definitely took a hit because of Waterworld and subsequently The Postman, but I feel like at least he's been able to carve out a niche of mostly lower budgeted films that do well with his "older dad audience". Arnold's decline more or less was confirmed with Batman & Robin, but his career was always going to take a beating, mostly because while I love the dude's movie, once he turned 50, he was seen as a bit passe and old, and could no longer believable look as tough as he once did. But what probably hurt him, and guys like Seagal, Van Damme, and Stallone was the rise of the retable action hero. You know your Cage, your Travolta, your Reeves. People could be believable action heroes, and didn't need to look like abnormal bodybuilders. Speed is an especially influential film in that regard. As for comedians, absolutely. A comedian is probably the kind of actor / performer that has a shelf date, usually about a decade at most, and then there films tend to see diminishing returns after. Some comedians can survive, and mostly play to an older audience, while others mostly work sporadically like in the case of Carrey.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Mar 28, 2021 3:23:50 GMT
Another interesting discussion around this, is when actors more or less loses their leading man . theatrical status because of one role or one film. Some of the actors I listed may have or already have had comebacks, but this one film was a literally a cap on their earlier career. Michael Keaton gave up mainstream Hollywood after Jack Frost, and a couple of flops. Aside from a couple of films like White Noise (which wasn't even marketed as a Keaton film, but horror movie released in the doldrums of January), he wouldn't make a proper comeback until Birdman. Chevy Chase's leading man comedy career came crashing down with Vegas Vacation. Similarly, Hollywood was done with Dan Aykroyd as a funny man headliner for good after The Blues Brothers 2000. And both Nicolas Cage and John Cusack saw their theatrical leading man careers die in 2012 with Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance, and The Raven. With Cage this was a last-minute attempt to stay relevant while facing tax issues and a couple of flops prior. Meanwhile as far as Cusack was concerned, I just assume his alleged angry behavior did him in, because he was just coming off two hits when The Raven tanked in theaters. Special shutout to my man John Travolta in Battlefield Earth. I’m surprised his career didn’t just die after that all-time clusterfuck but his career was never the same after that.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 28, 2021 3:45:42 GMT
Another interesting discussion around this, is when actors more or less loses their leading man . theatrical status because of one role or one film. Some of the actors I listed may have or already have had comebacks, but this one film was a literally a cap on their earlier career. Michael Keaton gave up mainstream Hollywood after Jack Frost, and a couple of flops. Aside from a couple of films like White Noise (which wasn't even marketed as a Keaton film, but horror movie released in the doldrums of January), he wouldn't make a proper comeback until Birdman. Chevy Chase's leading man comedy career came crashing down with Vegas Vacation. Similarly, Hollywood was done with Dan Aykroyd as a funny man headliner for good after The Blues Brothers 2000. And both Nicolas Cage and John Cusack saw their theatrical leading man careers die in 2012 with Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance, and The Raven. With Cage this was a last-minute attempt to stay relevant while facing tax issues and a couple of flops prior. Meanwhile as far as Cusack was concerned, I just assume his alleged angry behavior did him in, because he was just coming off two hits when The Raven tanked in theaters. Special shutout to my man John Travolta in Battlefield Earth. I’m surprised his career didn’t just die after that all-time clusterfuck but his career was never the same after that. Honestly, Travolta has had more comebacks than Lazarus
Battlefield Earth should have killed his career with major studios I agree, but I think the industry was so used to Travolta having career threatening flops in the previous 2 decades and then staging comebacks, that they decided to skip the comeback stage and just let him keep headlining or co-headlining studio films for another 8 years. I feel like Barry Pepper's career was the real sacrificial lamb of Battlefield Earth. Travolta still got to headline things like Swordfish, Ladder 49, Be Cool, Hairspray and managed to snag a co-lead in a Denzel/Tony Scott actioner The Taking Of Pelham 123, which was still a pretty big get for Travolta and a major studio picture. And that was in 2009. Things seemed to start declining for him after that and a lot of his stuff in the 2010's was quite low budget or straight to DVD type fare. It was a slow decline for Travolta as major studio films started losing interest in him.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Mar 28, 2021 3:59:02 GMT
Special shutout to my man John Travolta in Battlefield Earth. I’m surprised his career didn’t just die after that all-time clusterfuck but his career was never the same after that. Honestly, Travolta has had more comebacks than Lazarus
Battlefield Earth should have killed his career with major studios I agree, but I think the industry was so used to Travolta having career threatening flops in the previous 2 decades and then staging comebacks, that they decided to skip the comeback stage and just let him keep headlining or co-headlining studio films for another 8 years. I feel like Barry Pepper's career was the real sacrificial lamb of Battlefield Earth. Travolta still got to headline things like Swordfish, Ladder 49, Be Cool, Hairspray and managed to snag a co-lead in a Denzel/Tony Scott actioner The Taking Of Pelham 123, which was still a pretty big get for Travolta and a major studio picture. And that was in 2009. Things seemed to start declining for him after that and a lot of his stuff in the 2010's was quite low budget or straight to DVD type fare. It was a slow decline for Travolta as major studio films started losing interest in him. That’s true. For your topic scrud another name I can think of is Aaron Paul. Had a lot of heat from Breaking Bad and winning his 3rd Supporting Actor Emmy and then Need for Speed and that Ridley Scott/Egypt movie happened..and that’s it..back doing tv on Westworld. Even the El Camino Breaking Bad movie did nothing for him. Cranston’s short-lived leading man career after Breaking Bsd at least got him an Oscar nom for Trumbo.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 28, 2021 4:09:40 GMT
Honestly, Travolta has had more comebacks than Lazarus
Battlefield Earth should have killed his career with major studios I agree, but I think the industry was so used to Travolta having career threatening flops in the previous 2 decades and then staging comebacks, that they decided to skip the comeback stage and just let him keep headlining or co-headlining studio films for another 8 years. I feel like Barry Pepper's career was the real sacrificial lamb of Battlefield Earth. Travolta still got to headline things like Swordfish, Ladder 49, Be Cool, Hairspray and managed to snag a co-lead in a Denzel/Tony Scott actioner The Taking Of Pelham 123, which was still a pretty big get for Travolta and a major studio picture. And that was in 2009. Things seemed to start declining for him after that and a lot of his stuff in the 2010's was quite low budget or straight to DVD type fare. It was a slow decline for Travolta as major studio films started losing interest in him. That’s true. For your topic scrud another name I can think of is Aaron Paul. Had a lot of heat from Breaking Bad and winning his 3rd Supporting Actor Emmy and then Need for Speed and that Ridley Scott/Egypt movie happened..and that’s it..back doing tv on Westworld. Even the El Camino Breaking Bad movie did nothing for him. Cranston’s short-lived leading man career after Breaking Bsd at least got him an Oscar nom for Trumbo. Aaron Paul is a case of a successful TV actor, not being able to make the leap to being a significant movie actor/star, despite being given the opportunity due to his TV success. So yeah, on a smaller scale he is similar to Taylor Kitsch, whom the industry basically tried to make happen as a movie star because he was on a popular TV show, Friday Night Lights.Paul never struck me as looking like a potential movie star though (wheras Kitsch at least looked the part), so even with the success of Breaking Bad, I was surprised they tried to make him some sort of action movie star with Need For Speed.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 28, 2021 4:20:35 GMT
That’s true. For your topic scrud another name I can think of is Aaron Paul. Had a lot of heat from Breaking Bad and winning his 3rd Supporting Actor Emmy and then Need for Speed and that Ridley Scott/Egypt movie happened..and that’s it..back doing tv on Westworld. Even the El Camino Breaking Bad movie did nothing for him. Cranston’s short-lived leading man career after Breaking Bsd at least got him an Oscar nom for Trumbo. Aaron Paul is a case of a successful TV actor, not being able to make the leap to being a significant movie actor/star, despite being given the opportunity due to his TV success. So yeah, on a smaller scale he is similar to Taylor Kitsch, whom the industry basically tried to make happen as a movie star because he was on a popular TV show, Friday Night Lights.Paul never struck me as looking like a potential movie star though (wheras Kitsch at least looked the part), so even with the success of Breaking Bad, I was surprised they tried to make him some sort of action movie star with Need For Speed. Honestly I'm actually kinda shocked that studios didn't try again with Aaron Paul when it comes to films. He basically only had Need For Speed, and then they were like after that, "well that's enough!"
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Post by sirjeremy on Mar 28, 2021 8:26:56 GMT
I'm surprised Demi Moore hasn't been mentioned yet. Striptease massively weakened her movie career, then the next year G.I Jane killed it.
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Post by jakesully on Mar 28, 2021 8:43:37 GMT
Emile Hirsch in Speed Racer
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Post by franklin on Mar 28, 2021 10:22:36 GMT
Also Joseph Gordon Levitt's career after the one two punch of flops The Walk and Snowden has never been the same.
Same for Miles Teller, there was a very brief period of time after Whiplash's release and before Fantastic Four in which you could feel that they wanted to make him happen as one of the new leading men, but of course that famous Esquire profile in which he looked like an arrogant asshole and Fantastic Four's flop absolutely killed his chances.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 28, 2021 10:49:23 GMT
Also Joseph Gordon Levitt's career after the one two punch of flops The Walk and Snowden has never been the same. Same for Miles Teller, there was a very brief period of time after Whiplash's release and before Fantastic Four in which you could feel that they wanted to make him happen as one of the new leading men, but of course that famous Esquire profile in which he looked like an arrogant asshole and Fantastic Four's flop absolutely killed his chances. Yeah, I'd agree that the failures of The Walk and Snowden appeared to end the industry push for Joseph Gordon Levitt as a major leading man. I don't think Fantastic Four harmed Miles Teller much (the director Josh Trank took the fall and blame for that film and Michael B Jordan went onto A-list stardom). Teller had a couple of decent sized leading man opportunities in succession after Fantastic Four that bombed or flopped, and I think that did him in more than anything. Get A Job, War Dogs, Thank You For Your Service and Only The Brave flopped or underperformed critically or commercially (or both), with Teller as a lead in all of them, and it just became obvious he didn't have that kind of appeal.
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Post by wilcinema on Mar 28, 2021 11:18:14 GMT
Mickey Rourke's career plummeted with Wild Orchid, Harey Davidson and The Marloboro Man, a bad reputation in Hollywood and turning down major roles in acclaimed and popular movies back then.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 28, 2021 11:21:50 GMT
There's different forces at play in this thread: There's quite a difference between some of these and how far Dennis Quaid fell specifically in 1989 after getting his first big solo starring movie - that didn't make it's money back (!), was based on a pop culture event and was promoted by Jerry Lee Lewis (!) - where he had to step up and fell flat on his face at age 35 - with Great Balls of Fire and then years later getting a Disney hit that he stars in at near 50 a full 13 years later. I mean he had a career but not the career he was earmarked for at all....which is sad because he's good in the film but when you can't deliver a "hit" on a less than 20 million budget with all that ......you've been derailed, trust me. A lot of this thread is more "people who had their momentum stopped" and "people who were never "stars" anyway .....to me Adrian Paul got exactly what I'd expect for him - and JGL is in a Best Picture nominee this year -I mean you can justify almost anyone for this stuff....and rip people too really...... Hartnett I guess after Black Dahlia maybe - I don't know exactly where he fell off - Heche after 6 Days, 7 Nights and appearing like a loop job after her Ellen DeGeneres affair. That movie was actually a money-maker but it didn't seem that way and it had a big budget.........and she seemed quite insane in that era and in some way was "derailed" certainly....
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 28, 2021 11:32:57 GMT
Naomi Watts feels like she's finished after Diana.
I know the Lynch guys will reference Twin Peaks but I don't think most people cares about her cameo in that apart from ya know the Lynch guys. 2014 wasn't a terrible year for her, but I don't think any will be remembered as highlights of her career. I truly think this is the last we'll see of her. She just looks like the type to age terribly (Nordic skin and all) and she's just... ehhh.... I totally forgot about her.
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Post by wilcinema on Mar 28, 2021 11:33:05 GMT
Eddie Murphy with Norbit and Meet Dave is another clear example. He wasn't seen as an asset anymore.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 28, 2021 11:50:05 GMT
Dennis Quaid was still carrying megabudget Hollywood would-be studio blockbusters like Dragonheart in 1996. That movie had a bigger budget than most 90's Tom Hanks movies, and Quaid was the unequivocal leading man of that film.
Great Balls Of Fire did not strip him of the opportunity to carry big or even tentpole movies again. It was a flop that he recovered from. He wasn't permanently banished to low budget indies or whatever. Studios still gave him the opportunity to carry massive budget tentpoles.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 28, 2021 12:08:48 GMT
Dennis Quaid never again toplined a project alone like he did in GBOF - never until 13 years later and that was different anyway like I said - even in Dragnheart he stars with as part of an ensemble which is what he was banished to. It wasn't just that he was "in" big movies, it was whether he was delivering at the level he was being sold at - after GBOF it was possible to say that he needed someone else - Ellen Barkin or Meg Ryan in fact in 1989 his female co-stars looked bigger than him with Sea of Love and When Harry Met Sally! He couldn't be the show or sold as THE show ever again......and it happened with his next film too already made when he expected heat from GBOF that he didn't even get, Come See The Paradise - ANOTHER under 20 million budget that lost money.......that was quite a 1-2 punch of losering. He never recovered the stature he had pre-GBOF, AFTER GBOF ------- it that's not derailed, I don't know what is..... Ymmv but you are re-writing history here imo.......
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Post by franklin on Mar 28, 2021 12:14:25 GMT
Naomi Watts feels like she's finished after Diana. I know the Lynch guys will reference Twin Peaks but I don't think most people cares about her cameo in that apart from ya know the Lynch guys. 2014 wasn't a terrible year for her, but I don't think any will be remembered as highlights of her career. I truly think this is the last we'll see of her. She just looks like the type to age terribly (Nordic skin and all) and she's just... ehhh.... I totally forgot about her. I said it before in another thread, so i'll reiterate it. Even when she was at the peak of her career (around the Mulholland Drive-21 Grams days) she was never considered that much or regarded at the same level of her fellow Australian actresses Cate Blanchett and Nicole Kidman. She's been in a slump for years now.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 28, 2021 12:30:12 GMT
What "stature" did Quaid have pre-Great Balls Of Fire? He wasn't some kind of box office powerhouse and he wasn't an awards season magnet either before that film either. Even his big breakthrough The Big Easy was only a modest financial success. Innerspace lost money. D.O.A lost money. Everybody's All-American lost money. What was his supposed trajectory that I 'm missing? Was he supposed to be the next Marlon Brando or something?
Nothing much actually changed for Quaid in the 90's, other than he he kept starring in high profile films, despite always being an arguably negligible draw.
And Dragonheart was not an ensembe film. There is only one lead in that movie and it's Quaid.
And Quaid never toplined a project alone after Great Balls Of Fire?
He made a film the next year called Come See The Paradise, which also flopped and was a 20th Century Fox release. He was the only major star in that. The guy had limited appeal but kept getting chances. If anything, Quaid's run of money losing films from Innerspace onwards showed how hard it was to derail his career. Audiences never fully bought into him as a star, but the industry refused to give up on him.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 28, 2021 12:39:27 GMT
Naomi Watts feels like she's finished after Diana. I know the Lynch guys will reference Twin Peaks but I don't think most people cares about her cameo in that apart from ya know the Lynch guys. 2014 wasn't a terrible year for her, but I don't think any will be remembered as highlights of her career. I truly think this is the last we'll see of her. She just looks like the type to age terribly (Nordic skin and all) and she's just... ehhh.... I totally forgot about her. I said it before in another thread, even when she was at the peak of her career (around the Mulholland Drive-21 Grams days) she was never considered that much or regarded at the same level of her fellow Australian actresses Cate Blanchett and Nicole Kidman. She's been in a slump for years now. She's like the perfect example of the industry changes that played into all kinds shifting playing fields. In the era before her certain (male) stars had their careers saved by home video - Al Pacino for one clearly - but also Travolta, Gere, to some extent Rourke. In the era Watts became "famous" you no longer had to take a couple years off between films - so she cranked out films like she was Kidman because she briefly appeared to be "at" that level which she wasn't of course ..........but Kidman (no stranger to flops herself) can afford those flops because she has a cushion of hits too. It's almost like an out of control treadmill you can't get off of ........and some people get these huge cushions until they get a hit (looking at you Ryan Reynolds!) and with Watts - you sometimes just say "Wait, how did you get here?" ........there's quite a disconnect between Naomi Watts, her career and her talent......
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 28, 2021 13:21:25 GMT
Kidman was already a pretty big star in America before she became a great actress. 2001 was a huge year for both, but Kidman always had a head start on Watts. Not to mention, she has a far wider general appeal to greater audiences.
I do think Watts on IMDB got way more talk than she would on a normal basis tho. Mostly because of the Lynch cult. But in the real world, I don't think that many people cares about her apart from nudity. I mean yeah... they saw that face before, but to lots of people she's that blonde Maybelline girl in Kong Kong, that crazy chick in lots of movies, and that girl that gets naked with really large nipples.
Best example I can think of an actress whose IMDB perception differs the most from her real life perception. At least Cotillard and Huppert has a foreign centric perception. And Blanchett has a sort of high brow cult around her and is seen as a Huppert type of thespian legend. Watts is very vague to most people. Maybe not as much in her 5 years run in the early 00s, but it's 2021 and she definitely doesn't make the kind of impact in real life that she does to IMDB users.
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