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Post by speeders on Nov 26, 2021 17:00:20 GMT
When does this hit Amazon? Cant remember. Dec. 22.
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Post by wattsnew on Nov 26, 2021 21:34:46 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 27, 2021 3:46:57 GMT
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 27, 2021 4:52:38 GMT
Ah yes, because Gaga is a serious threat Fucking Clayton.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 30, 2021 7:21:36 GMT
Interesting article from AwardsDaily about the hysterical backlash to Kidman's casting and how it backfired on a massive scale. Particularly takes aim at Film Twitter as a self-important, baying mob of phonies who think they know more than they actually do.
The Backfiring of the Hysteria About Nicole Kidman’s Casting in ‘Ricardos’
by Ryan C. Showers
November 27, 2021
What a difference a year makes. In January, Nicole Kidman was cast as Lucille Ball in “Being the Ricardos,” under the writing and direction of Aaron Sorkin. To say people were unkind to this casting is an understatement. Most reactions – specifically from people on Twitter and TikTok – were downright spiteful, outrageous, and over the top. But this should not be too surprising. People on these apps are after likes, retweets, and attention. Trumped-up outrage and hot takes help achieve those goals. Most modern-day Film Twitter types feel as though they must assert some self-righteous authority on everything and then some. Despite a yearlong assassination about the appropriateness of Kidman’s casting, the rage machines of Film Twitter and TikTok have been stopped in their tracks. Kidman has proven them wrong.
There has been a spectacular and enthusiastic reaction to Kidman’s actual performance since “Being the Ricardos” began screening for critics, pundits, and industry insiders less just a few weeks ago. The praise of her performance has been nearly uniform from every person who has seen the film, with most saying it’s one of the best portrayals of a career that already featues masterpiece portraits of Virginia Woolf in “The Hours” and Satine in “Moulin Rouge!”. This consensus is a stunning development considering the discourse that preceded the film’s debut. The approach Kidman’s performance has been said to be less of the “authentic” transformation that Kristen Stewart strives for in “Spencer,” but rather a deeper, more lived-in interpretation of Ball.
Kidman has weathered a brutal time in the past year. The casting news of “Being the Ricardos” arrived at such a particular time for the actress. In 2017, “Big Little Lies” reinvigorated Kidman’s career after years of disappointments and flops. Kidman was back in vogue after a slump, and acted as figurehead in the #MeToo era playing Celeste Wright, a woman in a physically abusive marriage, in the HBO miniseries. She won every television award in the book and was afforded exciting new opportunities, such as her brave, daring, subversive performance in “Destroyer” or portrayal of Fox News whistleblower Gretchen Carlson in “Bombshell.”
But once someone reaches the top, they can only be loved for so long before they must hated again. Last year, when another Kidman television series debuted, “The Undoing,” Film Twitter types and self-proclaimed “critics” vocalized resentment about her oversaturation in the industry – many announced a no-vote against her in the Best Actress category at the Critics Choice awards in protest of the volume of her work in such a short amount of time. Imagine having the time to not only think but announce it on Twitter, as though you are *that* important. The anti-Kidman sentiments were already brewing last fall. Therefore, when the casting “Being the Ricardos” was announced, the pessimistic and toxic overreaction was exaggerated to epic proportions.
I’m not saying people were wrong for exercising a bit of skepticism. Be skeptical. You don’t owe Nicole Kidman anything except a bit of respect for everything she has done for the entertainment industry over the past 30 years. While there were a few sobering voices who reserved praise or criticism of Kidman’s casting until they saw the film, the louder majority of Film Twitter and TikTok users took it upon themselves to lambast Sorkin for casting Kidman as Lucille Ball. Apparently, Film Twitter and TikTokers believe they have some authority and entitlement to tell Aaron Sorkin who to cast as the lead actress in his movie. To make matters even more puzzling, there was a parallel controversy, with the casting of Javier Bardem, a Spanish Actor, playing Desi Arnaz, a Cuban. That is a legitimate conversation to have about Latinx representation. And yet, in most respects, the discourse about Kidman’s casting always bizarrely overshadowed Bardem’s casting. Where are the priorities?
The less extreme takes questioned, “Why would you cast a ‘dramatic actress’ as Lucille Ball?” In retrospect, his is such a moot point, because “Being the Ricardos” is not a remake of “I Love Lucy,” but rather a behind-the-scenes story with elements of both comedy and drama. And as though a “dramatic actress” cannot broaden her range and do something different? But most of the Internet fury involved digs lodged at Kidman’s appearance: that she does not resemble Ball as much as Debra Messing, and more commonly, that long-held misogynist trope that “Kidman can’t move her forehead” [thus why cast her as the extraordinarily expressive Lucille Ball]. This is the best they have after 15 years since making fun of Kidman’s botox was a mainstream garbage joke. All of the goodwill Kidman accrued in “Big Little Lies” evaporated and this conversation was the norm for the past year. A Kidman performance as Ball was not even given the benefit of the doubt. Because that is what the algorithms demand: loud, terse negativity posing as intellectual and cultural authority.
Kidman was sparingly used in the teaser trailer released earlier this fall. This, of course, led to a Film Twitter narrative was that Amazon was “hiding” her from the public out of shame; that “Being the Ricardos” was doomed to fail; and Kidman was on track to be one of the biggest miscasts of the decade. Even after the full-length trailer released a few weeks ago, people took a screenshot from the trailer mocking Kidman’s appearance and specifically her face and forehead. I saw dozens of tweets and TikTok videos using the same image of Kidman as Lucy pausing, freezing up in a front of a crowd as an example of how terrible she looked. Key word: looked. And this was coming from a crowd that prides themselves on being the among “wokest” people in the world. People pretended to be indignant about this casting injustice to Lucille Ball. Little do these people who are retweeting and recording TikTok videos know, Ball’s daughter, Lucie Arnaz, gave a ringing endorsement of Kidman’s casting and work in the film.
Nicole Kidman deserved better from the start. The mudslinging was cruel and unnecessary. And there is a great irony in this tale of Nicole Kidman and “Being the Ricardos.” Because Film Twitter trampled on her for a year, they almost empowered Kidman’s rise in the Best Actress race. They lowered expectations of her so much that the impact of her work punched even harder and allowed for a much stronger buzz than if critics went in with lofty expectations. It is even more ironic, considering Kidman has the potential to win, and beat Kristen Stewart’s in “Spencer,” the horse most of Film Twitter is passionately endorsing this year. According to most of Film Twitter, the Oscar is signed, sealed, and delivered for Stewart. I have always doubted this, whether it’s Kidman, Jennifer Hudson for “Respect,” Penelope Cruz for “Parallel Mothers,” or whomever. If Natalie Portman failed to win for “Jackie” in 2016, it seems unlikely that Stewart can for a similar role and from the same director for a myriad of reasons: the “Twilight” factor, the unusual brand of the actress, the acquired taste of the film, the casting of an American as Princess Diana, the lackluster “Spencer” screenplay, etc.
Kidman has presented herself as a competitive option that is beginning to rise at the same time Stewart is peaking, long before the season even officially begins. After using the lowest common denominator, mean-spirited attacks against Kidman all year long, it is possible the awards season will end with Kidman upending the performance Film Twitter loves the most this year for the Best Actress Oscar trophy.
“Being the Ricardos” is very much an old-school Academy movie and is a surefire Best Picture nomination. Kidman is a longtime veteran of the industry who continues to pay her dues. Even with her career resurgence in the past five years, she did not receive a nomination for “Destroyer,” “Bombshell,” or “Boy Erased.” Kidman even missed out on an Emmy nomination for “Big Little Lies” season two, where she delivered a performance even stronger than the previous season for which she won the Emmy. She has finally been presented with a consensus film that will play across-the-board with the Academy that may enable her to win her second Academy Award for Best Actress. Lucille Ball is the right type of role to win an Oscar. Ask Renee Zellweger and Rami Malek how taking on a beloved American icon went for their recent Oscar prospects. Lucille Ball as told by Sorkin is a role that to which Academy will likely respond more warmly than Princess Diana as told by Pablo Lorrain’s unique style that tends to divide people. (Again, see Natalie Portman in “Jackie.”)
I have covered the Oscars for a longtime. I got my start in writing about them on AwardsDaily back in 2014. I wrote and co-hosted the podcast regularly at NextBestPicture between 2017-2021. At the beginning of this summer, I stepped away from my role at NBP for two reasons (1) my first semester of law school at Penn State was set to begin this past August, (2) I started my own podcast about the “Scream” film franchised called “Scream with Ryan C. Showers.” Since then, I have gained a great deal of perspective about how Film Twitter operates.
Most people cannot see it because they are still inside the Film Twitter fish bowl, but the hysteria and judgment that these people cycle through on some quest for “principles” and purity – like the Nicole Kidman casting as Lucille Ball – is pretty exhausting. In Kidman’s case, it has been all for not, considering how much of a success the film turned out to be. Going to law school gave me a real dose of reality and allowed me to focus on things that make me happy in my personal life, and not feel obligated to the demands of the Film Twitter zeitgeist.
If you follow me on Twitter or read my coverage of Nicole Kidman or “Destroyer” in the past, you would know I deeply admire Kidman. I did not realize it at the time, but the online storm she faced from Film Twitter’s judgment and hyperbolic TikTok videos jeering at her made me, as a fan, feel small and powerless. It made me feel as though I was “not allowed” to defend her because it went against the grain and consensus of Film Twitter. Plus, I was “biased” for already liking Kidman, in general, so whatever I said would not matter to the self-important and self-labeled “critics.” This entire tale has also showed me that much of what Sasha writes about here about cultural divides has a lot of merit. Eventually, if people are lucky enough to distance themselves from the online crowd of outdoing each other for likes and social capital, they will see. Imagine the negative energy that could have been saved had who lambasted Kidman simply allowed the film to release.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 7, 2021 17:21:30 GMT
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Post by Savager on Dec 7, 2021 17:26:02 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 7, 2021 17:29:11 GMT
It's gone up to 53 less than 30 seconds after you posted. Calm the fuck down and try waiting for a majority of reviews to come in before declaring it a critical bust. People like you who are on standby just waiting for something to fail make me sick And frankly, even if critics are "meh" on the film, it's a film designed to appeal to the industry because it's about the industry. The initial buzz has been strong enough. It can survive so-so reviews and still contend for acting wins. Academy voters won't check Metacritic scores before deciding if they want to vote for Kidman when the buzz is that she pulled off an industry icon in Lucille Ball.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Dec 7, 2021 18:28:22 GMT
Wow. I was always much cooler on this than the initial reactions from pundits.. was definitely not seeing an across the board contender here, but I wasn’t expecting this. I guess Kidman now goes into the pack of bait fails along with Chastain, Hudson, Gaga, ect. She can still contend for a filler nom, but even that I’m a bit skeptical of because some of the reviews to her performance even are pretty brutal. Seems like a true mixed bag in all respects. Absolutely no way is she winning anything, I think that talk can die out now.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 7, 2021 18:42:11 GMT
Wow. I was always much cooler on this than the initial reactions from pundits.. was definitely not seeing an across the board contender here, but I wasn’t expecting this. I guess Kidman now goes into the pack of bait fails along with Chastain, Hudson, Gaga, ect. She can still contend for a filler nom, but even that I’m a bit skeptical of because some of the reviews to her performance even are pretty brutal. Seems like a true mixed bag in all respects. Absolutely no way is she winning anything, I think that talk can die out now. Calm down. Critics aren't industry voters. Kidman could easily still win SAG for something like this. They've consistently nominated her for poorly reviewed films ( The Paperboy, Grace Of Monaco etc ), and this film feels way more SAG-friendly than those projects, as it's about actors. That crowd adores her. It's Luciille Ball, in a project that it seems SAG viewers are responding to more than some critics. It's too early to say Kidman is out of it. People are so reactionary here, it's ridiculous. You told me to be a bit more objective. You should start taking your own advice.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 7, 2021 18:47:45 GMT
Posted this in Best Actress thread yesterday - and see nothing in these early reviews to change this POV except to drop her behind Gaga (or lower?) - can't see her overtaking Stewart and Gaga has people who really love her in HoG........you have to look at the people who will fly the flag for you to win......and that's even giving her the benefit of RT scores going positive ...
Getting a nod is a bid deal for Kidman this year if she can get it....in September that would have been looked upon as fncking triumph....but winning seems a pretty big stretch here.....
1. Stewart 2. Kidman 3. Gaga 4. Colman 5. Zeglar
I don't think Being The Ricardos is going to be loved enough critically for Kidman to overtake Stewart either (but you never know) in predictions or in actuality........if you read between the lines of the early reviews the film seems to hint it's a Sorkin special - some buzz now - yeah - but when finally seen it'll somewhat fizzle ....Stewart has her own problems with her movie being divisive but not enough to take her out of #1
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Post by iheartamyadams on Dec 7, 2021 18:55:47 GMT
Wow. I was always much cooler on this than the initial reactions from pundits.. was definitely not seeing an across the board contender here, but I wasn’t expecting this. I guess Kidman now goes into the pack of bait fails along with Chastain, Hudson, Gaga, ect. She can still contend for a filler nom, but even that I’m a bit skeptical of because some of the reviews to her performance even are pretty brutal. Seems like a true mixed bag in all respects. Absolutely no way is she winning anything, I think that talk can die out now. Calm down. Critics aren't industry voters. Kidman could easily still win SAG for something like this. They've consistently nominated her for poorly reviewed films ( The Paperboy, Grace Of Monaco etc ), and this film feels way more SAG-friendly than those projects, as it's about actors. That crowd adores her. It's Luciille Ball, in a project that it seems SAG viewers are responding to more than some critics. It's too early to say Kidman is out of it. People are so reactionary here, it's ridiculous. You told me to be a bit more objective. You should start taking your own advice. I think she’s out of any winning conversation. Reviews are bad and she did not achieve consistent acclaim for the performance. If it were another Chastain sort of scenario where the performance was genuinely raved despite mixed reviews, I’d be a lot more open to the idea. I am pretty objective usually and have nothing against Kidman or the project even. I think you’re just lashing out because you prematurely scolded people for doubting Kidman and it turned out that the naysayers were right!
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 7, 2021 19:05:02 GMT
Calm down. Critics aren't industry voters. Kidman could easily still win SAG for something like this. They've consistently nominated her for poorly reviewed films ( The Paperboy, Grace Of Monaco etc ), and this film feels way more SAG-friendly than those projects, as it's about actors. That crowd adores her. It's Luciille Ball, in a project that it seems SAG viewers are responding to more than some critics. It's too early to say Kidman is out of it. People are so reactionary here, it's ridiculous. You told me to be a bit more objective. You should start taking your own advice. I think she’s out of any winning conversation. Reviews are bad and she did not achieve consistent acclaim for the performance. If it were another Chastain sort of scenario where the performance was genuinely raved despite mixed reviews, I’d be a lot more open to the idea. I am pretty objective usually and have nothing against Kidman or the project even. I think you’re just lashing out because you prematurely scolded people for doubting Kidman and it turned out that the naysayers were right! Errr... the naysayers weren't right. They were still pretty wrong. Kidman is still in the hunt for an Oscar nomination, and has an acclaimed performance and has been racking up critics group nominations, when 9 months ago she was kicked from pillar to post as one of the biggest miscastings of all time. She was supposed to be Razzie-bait and a complete failure, so there is no way you can claim I was wrong . Even if she doesn't win an Oscar, she clearly proved her haters wrong with the majority of reactions to her performance, and so many raves for it. And I was still ultimately proved correct. I never said the film itself would avoid brickbats. If you look at the majority of criticisms, they have really decided to come after Aaron Sorkin as a director/storyteller. Kidman is not the major issue with the so-so reception of the film at this point, though she has gotten some negatives to go with the majority raves. It's Sorkin that they are coming after.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Dec 7, 2021 19:58:02 GMT
Kristen Stewart as “Diana” in Spencer, 2021 — dir. Pablo Larraín She really lucked out with the way that every single contender that could’ve been major competition ended up flopping in such a major way. She’s insanely good in the film though, so I’m definitely not complaining.
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Post by stephen on Dec 7, 2021 20:04:25 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 7, 2021 20:10:11 GMT
Stewart has her own major drawbacks. That 50% Audience Score on RT speaks volumes for how non-critics see it, and the fact that it did terrible box office doesn’t exactly make her an unbeatable frontrunner. And it's not like she's come out the gate dominating critics awards either. The Actress race is interesting. I don't see Stewart as anything close to an unassailable frontrunner. Despite the early overreactions to these middling BTR reviews (which still have time to get better. Being The Ricardos is at 63% on RT, with just over 30 reviews, which isn't terrible, and it could also jump up quite a bit) I think Kidman is still in it . And the industry has responded to films like this when the reviews weren't amazing
I actually think Gaga could do the unthinkable and win Best Actress. Her film made money. So got raves (some negatives, but enough praise to overshadow them), audiences actually like her film and the NYFCC win gave her some credibility .
I feel like SAG could go to anyone of Stewart, Kidman or Gaga.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 7, 2021 20:13:07 GMT
Kristen Stewart as “Diana” in Spencer, 2021 — dir. Pablo Larraín She really lucked out with the way that every single contender that could’ve been major competition ended up flopping in such a major way. She’s insanely good in the film though, so I’m definitely not complaining. Her film flopped at the Box Office and has terrible audience scores. Everyone in the Actress race can be dinged for something, including Stewart. This could easily be a Jackie redux. Biases, aside, I have to be objective and admit these initial reactions to BTR aren't ideal to Kidman's odds of winning, but I'm not counting her out yet. But as I said, I feel Gaga is probably the main beneficiary, not neccesarily Stewart . Because we already know audiences like Gaga's film and that NYFCC win made her a credible threat.
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Post by stephen on Dec 7, 2021 20:13:37 GMT
I actually think Gaga could do the unthinkable and win Best Actress. Her film made money. So got raves (some negatives, but enough praise to overshadow them), audiences actually like her film and the NYFCC win gave her some credibility . Jordan Ruimy is furiously writing articles about this already.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 7, 2021 20:17:29 GMT
I actually think Gaga could do the unthinkable and win Best Actress. Her film made money. So got raves (some negatives, but enough praise to overshadow them), audiences actually like her film and the NYFCC win gave her some credibility . Jordan Ruimy is furiously writing articles about this already. What's funny is he disliked Gaga, Stewart and Kidman .........man knows what he hates at least..........
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Post by iheartamyadams on Dec 7, 2021 20:23:00 GMT
She really lucked out with the way that every single contender that could’ve been major competition ended up flopping in such a major way. She’s insanely good in the film though, so I’m definitely not complaining. Her film flopped at the Box Office and has terrible audience scores. Everyone in the Actress race can be dinged for something, including Stewart. This could easily be a Jackie redux. Biases, aside, I have to be objective admit this initial reaction to BTR isn't ideal to Kidman's odds of winning, but I'm not counting her out yet. But as I said, I feel Gaga is probably the main beneficiary, not neccesarily Stewart I think 7 million domestic is decent considering the times. That’s not a bomb to me. But yes, the audience scores are bad and she’s not an undeniable frontrunner. That’s why I said that she lucked out with the way the race took shape because everyone has even more significant drawbacks. Kidman is absolutely not winning an Oscar with this kind of reception to the film and her performance, she has a terrible Oscar track record with her bait fails when it comes to even getting nominated. Gaga actually does seem positioned to be the challenger. But I think that film will need to be a player outside of just Actress. If it starts to creep into the BP conversation, I’d give her a really solid chance of going the distance.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Dec 7, 2021 20:26:51 GMT
Well...Bardem can kiss his ass goodbye in the Best Actor race this year.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 7, 2021 20:27:29 GMT
Kristen Stewart as “Diana” in Spencer, 2021 — dir. Pablo Larraín The shade and multiple picture posting is indeed a masterstoke - and that's coming from me who is a master at throwing shade myself. I think the thing people miss out on with Stewart is she is so linked in her role, character and the movies overall vision. Like people can hate the movie but you can't say she shares the spotlight (at all) AND you can't say she doesn't fulfill her director's vision of the piece (at all). It's not just that her most obvious rivals underperformed critically (they did) ........it's that they didn't get that kind of luxury.......most actresses don't........and where HoG box office really helps Gaga..........I'm not sure low box office and people disliking the approach the movie took hurt Stewart much at all.......it's done in such a way you can't ignore her........for Kidman to catch up Being The Ricardos has to have a way higher commercial upside than I'm seeing........
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 7, 2021 20:28:13 GMT
Well, the RT score is slowly creeping up. 66% now Won't be surprised if it ends up somewhere in the 80 percentage range when all is said and done. And we live in a world where films like Vice get Best Picture nods with 65% on RT. I think it's premature to write Being The Ricardos obituary (even for BP), especially when it's so industry friendly.
Like I said, it's also way too early to write off Kidman as a potential winner. The reviews will probably end up being just about good enough, and the fact that it's industry-bait may do the rest. Oh and the fact that Kidman has a great narrative of having to overcome haters for a year after her casting was announced.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Dec 7, 2021 20:38:04 GMT
Interesting. I was expecting much better reviews after the initial reactions. We'll see where it ends up.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 7, 2021 20:54:42 GMT
Yeah, I was probably a bit too excitable about Gaga challenging for the win, as I forgot how mediocre House Of Gucci's reviews were. Being The Ricardos already has a better RT score than HOG (and I suspect it'll end up being much better) and that score is nothing amazing right now.
Anything is possible though.
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