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Post by flasuss on Sept 21, 2022 20:54:33 GMT
I'm sure it will be easy to find the equipment for all these soldiers and train them too.
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 21, 2022 21:57:27 GMT
Meanwhile, at the Finland border there's a 35 kilometres queue of cars leaving Russia.
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Post by Joaquim on Sept 21, 2022 21:59:35 GMT
Meanwhile, at the Finland border there's a 35 kilometres queue of cars leaving Russia. And there’s also this:
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Post by dazed on Oct 3, 2022 20:37:06 GMT
mans is a dumbass
perfect reply
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Post by cherry68 on Oct 3, 2022 20:52:25 GMT
The tweet is written in Russian or Ukrainian for me... 🤔
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Post by Joaquim on Oct 3, 2022 22:32:45 GMT
mans is a dumbass perfect reply Agreed. That ambassador is a dumbass. Why does no one in the west want peace? Zelensky was gonna try to negotiate one months ago but backed out at Boris Johnson’s orders. It’s like the west wants this conflict to escalate into nuclear armageddon. And for what? As for the reply’s 3rd point about tribunals for war criminals, does that include the ones in the Azov and Tornado battalions? Elon Musk has done more for Ukraine than any other diplomat or what have you in the west by giving them access to Starlink for free and this is how they thank him. He should shut it off in response to this post. Casually threatening to torture and murder someone is not what the good guys fighting for democracy do
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Post by dazed on Oct 4, 2022 4:14:16 GMT
mans is a dumbass perfect reply Agreed. That ambassador is a dumbass. Why does no one in the west want peace? Zelensky was gonna try to negotiate one months ago but backed out at Boris Johnson’s orders. It’s like the west wants this conflict to escalate into nuclear armageddon. And for what? As for the reply’s 3rd point about tribunals for war criminals, does that include the ones in the Azov and Tornado battalions? Elon Musk has done more for Ukraine than any other diplomat or what have you in the west by giving them access to Starlink for free and this is how they thank him. He should shut it off in response to this post. Casually threatening to torture and murder someone is not what the good guys fighting for democracy do mans is a dumbass perfect reply i think the intelligence, weapons, targeting data, training, etc that the west has supplied ukraine with has played a huge role in giving ukraine an advantage. plus the west (america) helped fund the starlink delivery for ukraine. it wasn’t free. the starink has helped so much with communication and has played a role in ukraines advantage thus far no doubt, but that doesn’t change the fact that this tweet by elon musk is idiotic and should be called out and shit on. the dumbass is the one that’s tweeting out russian propaganda. it takes about five seconds to think about how these places he’s wanting a referendum from have almost no original population in them, so what validity would these votes even bring? why redo the elections when so many ukranians have been forced out of those regions? that’s not peace, that’s allowing russia to keep the territories they attacked and stole. i think the one that’s pushing for escalation is the one that’s essentially saying “if you don’t let me win by stealing land from this sovereign nation, i’m bringing out the nukes and ending the world.” also i fail to see what kind of fair negotiations putin would put on the table for ukraine. i doubt he’d agree to withdrawal and give back the land that’s been stolen.
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Post by Joaquim on Oct 4, 2022 11:02:23 GMT
Agreed. That ambassador is a dumbass. Why does no one in the west want peace? Zelensky was gonna try to negotiate one months ago but backed out at Boris Johnson’s orders. It’s like the west wants this conflict to escalate into nuclear armageddon. And for what? As for the reply’s 3rd point about tribunals for war criminals, does that include the ones in the Azov and Tornado battalions? Elon Musk has done more for Ukraine than any other diplomat or what have you in the west by giving them access to Starlink for free and this is how they thank him. He should shut it off in response to this post. Casually threatening to torture and murder someone is not what the good guys fighting for democracy do mans is a dumbass perfect reply i think the intelligence, weapons, targeting data, training, etc that the west has supplied ukraine with has played a huge role in giving ukraine an advantage. plus the west (america) helped fund the starlink delivery for ukraine. it wasn’t free. the starink has helped so much with communication and has played a role in ukraines advantage thus far no doubt, but that doesn’t change the fact that this tweet by elon musk is idiotic and should be called out and shit on. the dumbass is the one that’s tweeting out russian propaganda. it takes about five seconds to think about how these places he’s wanting a referendum from have almost no original population in them, so what validity would these votes even bring? why redo the elections when so many ukranians have been forced out of those regions? that’s not peace, that’s allowing russia to keep the territories they attacked and stole. i think the one that’s pushing for escalation is the one that’s essentially saying “if you don’t let me win by stealing land from this sovereign nation, i’m bringing out the nukes and ending the world.” also i fail to see what kind of fair negotiations putin would put on the table for ukraine. i doubt he’d agree to withdrawal and give back the land that’s been stolen. Most of the funding for Starlink came straight out of Musk’s pocket. The west helped a bit but it was only a fraction. Although to be fair my source on this is Musk himself calling BS on mainstream media reporting so make of that what you will. What I do agree with you on is that his first point is certainly the sketchiest one. Not just for the reason you mentioned of the population there evacuating but also because I simply can’t trust the UN to supervise an election there impartially. 98% of the UN is openly against Russia and there’s a clear conflict of interest if the UN were to supervise these elections. Point 2 can certainly be put up for debate, Russia would have to give something up since those terms would be more favorable to Russia and they haven’t exactly been getting the results on the battlefield to warrant very favorable terms, but I think his last 2 terms are perfectly acceptable. I think it’s insane that zelensky went and put up a Twitter poll asking which Musk is better when he was never supported Russia even if it may seem like he’s parroting kremlin propaganda. Think the bigger dumbass is Trump offering to broker peace, which may possibly be a Logan Act violation if he tries to goes through with that If Putin is pushing for escalation it’s because the west has been baiting him into it. The west wants escalation but they want it to be Putin who deals the first blow in the escalation. That’s why the west has been helping Ukraine sink Russian warships and conduct strikes in Russian territory (and possibly blew up the Nordstream pipeline). Stuff that should be considered an act of war but Putin won’t seriously acknowledge because, honestly, he just may be too afraid to take on the west. They keep poking the bear to see how much is too much before Russia is forced to act. That’s why Putin is the only person in the world still using the term “special military operation” to describe this conflict. Ukraine doesn’t see it as that, the west doesn’t see it as that, the Russian generals don’t see it as that. Putin is the only one acting like this isn’t a full on war, it’s still a special military operation. Ukraine is being given more money than Russia’s entire military budget (how much is actually going towards the war effort? There needs to be an audit of this) and have been able to push back and take some territory back because Putin refuses to see the reality of this conflict and has thus made a mockery of himself and Russia on the world stage (or maybe that’s just me buying in to western propaganda). Now he’s bringing out the nukes and everyone in a position of power, western or Russian, may get what they want
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Post by flasuss on Oct 4, 2022 14:06:29 GMT
Putin is pushing for escalation because he's losing, and he's losing because he's a twat that thought Ukraine were a bunch of backwards rednecks that would just roll over for him.
As for Musk, he's desperate for attention after the Twitter takeover collapsed and will likely cost him a lot of money in a lawsuit, and yet another example of how people who know a lot about one subject are treated like they know about all of them. He might also wanted to pander to the alt-right that he loves and loves him back.
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Post by dazed on Oct 5, 2022 0:19:11 GMT
i think the intelligence, weapons, targeting data, training, etc that the west has supplied ukraine with has played a huge role in giving ukraine an advantage. plus the west (america) helped fund the starlink delivery for ukraine. it wasn’t free. the starink has helped so much with communication and has played a role in ukraines advantage thus far no doubt, but that doesn’t change the fact that this tweet by elon musk is idiotic and should be called out and shit on. the dumbass is the one that’s tweeting out russian propaganda. it takes about five seconds to think about how these places he’s wanting a referendum from have almost no original population in them, so what validity would these votes even bring? why redo the elections when so many ukranians have been forced out of those regions? that’s not peace, that’s allowing russia to keep the territories they attacked and stole. i think the one that’s pushing for escalation is the one that’s essentially saying “if you don’t let me win by stealing land from this sovereign nation, i’m bringing out the nukes and ending the world.” also i fail to see what kind of fair negotiations putin would put on the table for ukraine. i doubt he’d agree to withdrawal and give back the land that’s been stolen. Most of the funding for Starlink came straight out of Musk’s pocket. The west helped a bit but it was only a fraction. Although to be fair my source on this is Musk himself calling BS on mainstream media reporting so make of that what you will. What I do agree with you on is that his first point is certainly the sketchiest one. Not just for the reason you mentioned of the population there evacuating but also because I simply can’t trust the UN to supervise an election there impartially. 98% of the UN is openly against Russia and there’s a clear conflict of interest if the UN were to supervise these elections. Point 2 can certainly be put up for debate, Russia would have to give something up since those terms would be more favorable to Russia and they haven’t exactly been getting the results on the battlefield to warrant very favorable terms, but I think his last 2 terms are perfectly acceptable. I think it’s insane that zelensky went and put up a Twitter poll asking which Musk is better when he was never supported Russia even if it may seem like he’s parroting kremlin propaganda. Think the bigger dumbass is Trump offering to broker peace, which may possibly be a Logan Act violation if he tries to goes through with that If Putin is pushing for escalation it’s because the west has been baiting him into it. The west wants escalation but they want it to be Putin who deals the first blow in the escalation. That’s why the west has been helping Ukraine sink Russian warships and conduct strikes in Russian territory (and possibly blew up the Nordstream pipeline). Stuff that should be considered an act of war but Putin won’t seriously acknowledge because, honestly, he just may be too afraid to take on the west. They keep poking the bear to see how much is too much before Russia is forced to act. That’s why Putin is the only person in the world still using the term “special military operation” to describe this conflict. Ukraine doesn’t see it as that, the west doesn’t see it as that, the Russian generals don’t see it as that. Putin is the only one acting like this isn’t a full on war, it’s still a special military operation. Ukraine is being given more money than Russia’s entire military budget (how much is actually going towards the war effort? There needs to be an audit of this) and have been able to push back and take some territory back because Putin refuses to see the reality of this conflict and has thus made a mockery of himself and Russia on the world stage (or maybe that’s just me buying in to western propaganda). Now he’s bringing out the nukes and everyone in a position of power, western or Russian, may get what they want i’ve read reports that said that 1/3 to 1/2 of the starlink units were funded by the us, france, and another country i’m forgetting. anyways, musk helping with this was great and i won’t argue against that. i still believe it’s not more than the west has done (since they literally had a part in it, and as you’ve already said, the large amounts of aid they’ve given to ukraine to help out against russias invasion which has been more successful than anyone could have predicted). his oversimplification of crimea, ukraine staying neutral (i’m assuming this means not joining nato which would be bullshit since the ukranian people have a right to be apart of nato and want to be apart of nato since that would stop russia from fucking with them, ie the support of joining nato skyrocketing after the crimea situation and then again after this invasion) and his proposal of forcing annexation which contradicts international order are all pro russian. do i believe elon is pro russian? no, the starlinks situation would lead me to believe otherwise. does zelensky believe that he is? i doubt it, zelensky can be a showman no doubt, but that tweet of elons is definitely in support of russia and i think what zelensky is implying is do you like the elon that helps supply ukraine with starlink units which helps give ukraine an advantage in this war, or the elon that makes proposals that are heavily in russias favour and ignores critical information that supports ukraines position i don’t know, when crimea was annexed, the west acted mildly to avoid conflict. when putin (or rather his puppet mededev) invaded georgia almost 15 years ago (russia still occupies like 25% of georgia territory), the west acted mildly to avoid conflict and were fearful to anger russia (namely germany and france). the root of the conflict and escalation is that putin continually bullies russias neighbouring countries. putin has also said for years now that ukraine is apart of russia, insinuating that he wants to take over ukraine (and now he’s backed up his words and has taken full action on doing this, putin is ultimately responsible for his continued actions, much moreso than the west is). also it seems to me that backing off and giving this regime a W gives them a prefix to continue this kind of shit and there’s legitimate proof rather than mere speculation that’s often being used in this situation. i personally don’t think nuclear weapons are going to be used (we’ve seen russias equipment and how well they’ve been maintained, we know how expensive nuclear weapons are to maintain, so who tf knows what shape they’re even in), but yeah i’d rather not find out. at the same time there’s a counter argument that using nuclear weapons as a threat to get away with war crimes could actually lead to worldwide nuclear proliferation making nuclear war more likely, but then again i see the issues with that argument as well even though it’s an interesting take and you can use the cold war as an example of this theory actually having validation.
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