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Post by JangoB on Nov 10, 2020 14:44:58 GMT
Oof. Are we all still confident in Close? I still think it's one of those cases where the quality of the film won't matter against the pedigree of the performance/role/career. But still...reception like this sure can hurt her chances.
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Post by Archie on Nov 10, 2020 14:45:32 GMT
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Post by stephen on Nov 10, 2020 14:47:07 GMT
Oof. Are we all still confident in Close? I still think it's one of those cases where the quality of the film won't matter against the pedigree of the performance/role/career. But still...reception like this sure can hurt her chances. Yeah, she can probably overcome this, but I'm not seeing the critics backing this one, and all it takes is someone gaining momentum with them and surging forward at the right time with a better-received film (Seyfried, perhaps?). Close is still in the pole position, but she's not invulnerable.
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Post by speeders on Nov 10, 2020 14:51:24 GMT
Regardless of Close, do you guys think Adams can still make it in a pretty crowded race (Davis, McDormand, Kirby, Mulligan, Loren, Day, Winslet, Streep, Pfeiffer)?
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Post by stephen on Nov 10, 2020 14:53:17 GMT
Regardless of Close, do you guys think Adams can still make it in a pretty crowded race (Davis, McDormand, Kirby, Mulligan, Loren, Day, Winslet, Streep, Pfeiffer)? You can hardly bet against a six-time Oscar nominee for a performance that is pretty loud and shouty, but I think she might wind up getting frosted out after the Globes and misses.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 10, 2020 14:53:40 GMT
Very sad for Close ......we'll see how it plays out though...............this by the way is that "downside" to actors being "better than their material" - you do have people saying "she deserves Oscar NOD #8" here - but given the scathing reviews does she really ...........and are people just pandering to her? I dunno......
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 10, 2020 15:10:31 GMT
Regardless of Close, do you guys think Adams can still make it in a pretty crowded race (Davis, McDormand, Kirby, Mulligan, Loren, Day, Winslet, Streep, Pfeiffer)? Getting one acting nomination for a film with these reviews is incredibly tough. Two is damned near impossible. If anyone survives for a nod, it will be Close.Poor Close indeed. These reviews are treacherous and all the excuse needed to give the Oscar to someone like Seyfried.Honestly, Close might be out for even a nomination. If this movie is DOA, and she can't compete for the win with her overdue narrative, people might just see her as taking up a spot for another supporting actress in a movie they actually like. And because the season is elongated, there is enough time to abandon Close completely before the nominating process starts.
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Post by JangoB on Nov 10, 2020 15:17:05 GMT
Unless the reviews improve, if Close wins this'll be probably the worst reviewed film to win an acting Oscar...ever? Damn.
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 10, 2020 15:18:14 GMT
I'll just leave this here. Peep #68. uh ohEh, I would take that with a massive grain of salt. I've seen people do this on Letterboxd in years past without having seen the films just to either get a rise out of people or, in one person's case, because they admittedly wanted to see if it affected predictions by arbitrarily sticking a major contender near the bottom without ever having seen it. For what it's worth, Janet Maslin tweeted that she saw it and says Close is winning. Which is admittedly much more of a solid resource than this dude's Letterboxd, but also, Maslin hasn't seen everything in competition and there are many ways a Close campaign could go wrong (as we've seen in years past). Netflix might be on to something if they're hiding her until the absolute last minute, to capitalize on the goodwill and momentum even if the film itself isn't very good. Pretty good tasting salt
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Post by stephen on Nov 10, 2020 15:23:20 GMT
Eh, I would take that with a massive grain of salt. I've seen people do this on Letterboxd in years past without having seen the films just to either get a rise out of people or, in one person's case, because they admittedly wanted to see if it affected predictions by arbitrarily sticking a major contender near the bottom without ever having seen it. For what it's worth, Janet Maslin tweeted that she saw it and says Close is winning. Which is admittedly much more of a solid resource than this dude's Letterboxd, but also, Maslin hasn't seen everything in competition and there are many ways a Close campaign could go wrong (as we've seen in years past). Netflix might be on to something if they're hiding her until the absolute last minute, to capitalize on the goodwill and momentum even if the film itself isn't very good. Pretty good tasting salt
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Post by stephen on Nov 10, 2020 15:24:10 GMT
Unless the reviews improve, if Close wins this'll be probably the worst reviewed film to win an acting Oscar...ever? Damn. At least since Helen Hayes in Airport in 1970, which is rocking a 42 on MC.
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 10, 2020 15:24:59 GMT
Oof. Are we all still confident in Close? Not in the slightest. It's either Colman or Seyfried.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 10, 2020 15:28:32 GMT
Unless the reviews improve, if Close wins this'll be probably the worst reviewed film to win an acting Oscar...ever? Damn. At least since Helen Hayes in Airport in 1970, which is rocking a 42 on MC. Airport made Titanic kind of box office. It made so much frigging money, that the industry was willing to ignore tepid reviews and nominate it for Best Picture.This will not be the fate of Hillbilly Elegy
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Post by stephen on Nov 10, 2020 15:30:17 GMT
At least since Helen Hayes in Airport in 1970, which is rocking a 42 on MC. Airport made Titanic kind of box office. It made so much frigging money, that the industry was willing to ignore tepid reviews and nominate it for Best Picture.This will not be the fate of Hillbilly Elegy Oh, I know. The most recent example of what Airport did is Bohemian Rhapsody, which made so much fucking money that people ignored literally everything else about it (the Bryan Singer-ness of it all, most notably).
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 10, 2020 15:31:17 GMT
Welp, the embargo got lifted, and . . . Damn Ron Howard...Ron needs to go back to the Apollo 13 well and make a sequel.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 10, 2020 15:32:59 GMT
Airport made Titanic kind of box office. It made so much frigging money, that the industry was willing to ignore tepid reviews and nominate it for Best Picture.This will not be the fate of Hillbilly Elegy Oh, I know. The most recent example of what Airport did is Bohemian Rhapsody, which made so much fucking money that people ignored literally everything else about it (the Bryan Singer-ness of it all, most notably). I love how Bohemian Rhapsody is now used as an example of a film with terrible editing, being able to win an Academy Award for Best Editing
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Post by stephen on Nov 10, 2020 15:32:59 GMT
Welp, the embargo got lifted, and . . . Damn Ron Howard...Ron needs to go back to the Apollo 13 well and make a sequel. Apollo 14. "Houston, everything went according to plan. Nope. All's good in the hood up here."
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Post by stephen on Nov 10, 2020 15:34:33 GMT
Oh, I know. The most recent example of what Airport did is Bohemian Rhapsody, which made so much fucking money that people ignored literally everything else about it (the Bryan Singer-ness of it all, most notably). I love how Bohemian Rhapsody is now used as an example of a film with terrible editing, being able to win an Academy Award for Best Editing I love that the editor came out and said that he deserves all the hate and criticism in the world for the final product, but to be fair to him, he was working with literally scraps. I have no love for the film, and the editing of the film is objectively awful, but Ottman salvaged something out of that mess that was slightly watchable (if completely pedestrian outside of that ridiculous cafe scene).
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 10, 2020 15:45:32 GMT
Everytime I think about Hillbilly Elegy, with the trailer, the movie poster, and now these reviews it brings me back to the Dukes of Hazzard theme song..
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 10, 2020 16:12:32 GMT
Welp, the embargo got lifted, and . . . Damn Ron Howard...Ron needs to go back to the Apollo 13 well and make a sequel. I know, these reviews are so much worse than I was even expecting. Brutal pans across the board, it's honestly looking like the worst reviewed movies ever he's directed. To be fair to Howard, the source material was basically impossible to adapt, unless you made it into a comedy, and definitely wasn't appropriate for these political times. It's basically conservative wankery, however he does deserve a lot of crap for thinking he could make it into a coherent movie to begin with.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 10, 2020 16:15:21 GMT
Damn Ron Howard...Ron needs to go back to the Apollo 13 well and make a sequel. I know, these reviews are so much worse than I was even expecting. Brutal pans across the board, it's honestly looking like the worst reviewed movies ever he's directed. To be fair to Howard, the source material was basically impossible to adapt, unless you made it into a comedy, and definitely wasn't appropriate for these political times. It's basically conservative wankery, however he does deserve a lot of crap for thinking he could make it into a coherent movie to begin with. Agreed..sometimes you're behind the 8 ball before you even begin shooting. Should've passed on this one. Did you see the review from Jason Bailey of The Playlist that Speeders posted? Ouch!
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 10, 2020 16:20:47 GMT
I know, these reviews are so much worse than I was even expecting. Brutal pans across the board, it's honestly looking like the worst reviewed movies ever he's directed. To be fair to Howard, the source material was basically impossible to adapt, unless you made it into a comedy, and definitely wasn't appropriate for these political times. It's basically conservative wankery, however he does deserve a lot of crap for thinking he could make it into a coherent movie to begin with. Agreed..sometimes you're behind the 8 ball before you even begin shooting. Should've passed on this one. Did you see the review from Jason Bailey of The Playlist that Speeders posted? Ouch! I just read the review, and while he doesn't hold back on his distaste for the film. It's honestly a bit remarkable.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 10, 2020 16:42:59 GMT
Can't wait to see what quetee thinks of this?
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Post by Good God on Nov 10, 2020 17:05:16 GMT
Regardless of Close, do you guys think Adams can still make it in a pretty crowded race (Davis, McDormand, Kirby, Mulligan, Loren, Day, Winslet, Streep, Pfeiffer)? You can hardly bet against a six-time Oscar nominee for a performance that is pretty loud and shouty, but I think she might wind up getting frosted out after the Globes and misses. While Adams has a spectacular track record in the Supporting category, her record in terms of getting Lead Actress nominations is kind of patchy. Her snub for Arrival, even if I personally wasn't shocked by it because of the sci-fi bias within the Academy, is objectively one of the biggest acting snubs of the 21st century. I don't think Adams makes it in for this, but I'd still predict Close to get a nomination.
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Post by stephen on Nov 10, 2020 17:13:00 GMT
While Adams has a spectacular track record in the Supporting category, her record in terms of getting Lead Actress nominations is kind of patchy. Her snub for Arrival, even if I personally wasn't shocked by it because of the sci-fi bias within the Academy, is objectively one of the biggest acting snubs of the 21st century. I don't think Adams makes it in for this, but I'd still predict Close to get a nomination. Yeah, Best Actress is deceptively a tough field to crack, whereas we're struggling to come up with viable Supporting Actress contenders. That's always been Close's biggest advantage here.
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