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Post by Good God on Sept 26, 2019 16:50:57 GMT
I can get all those "Academy Award winner" although I consider them to be useless. But why on earth mention some films Scorsese has directed???? Does anybody need to see that he's the director of Goodfellas or the Wolf of Wall Street to decide if he's gonna watch the Irishman?? A simple "a Martin Scorsese picture" would do just fine! Scorsese isn't Spielberg or Nolan. Most general audiences don't know him by name.
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 26, 2019 17:25:21 GMT
I can get all those "Academy Award winner" although I consider them to be useless. But why on earth mention some films Scorsese has directed???? Does anybody need to see that he's the director of Goodfellas or the Wolf of Wall Street to decide if he's gonna watch the Irishman?? A simple "a Martin Scorsese picture" would do just fine! Scorsese isn't Spielberg or Nolan. Most general audiences don't know him by name. Most younger audiences might only know Nolan and Tarantino by name. Many of them only know the Avengers movies. Ordinary movie goers also know Spielberg, Scorsese...
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Post by bob-coppola on Sept 26, 2019 17:27:18 GMT
I thought the de-aging was very, very, very good. It was pretty much perfect on Pacino, and it only looked weird on De Niro because they decided to make his eyes this piercing blue color, and it looked odd. I think maybe the fact that the DP itself looks digital helps the VFX seem more seamless.
The problem for me is that it feels too "been there, done that". It looks generic plot-wise and not the "introspective" mobster movie it's been said to be. Hopefully, it's just a bad trailer.
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Post by bob-coppola on Sept 26, 2019 17:29:46 GMT
Scorsese isn't Spielberg or Nolan. Most general audiences don't know him by name. Most younger audiences might only know Nolan and Tarantino by name. Many of them only know the Avengers movies. Ordinary movie goers also know Spielberg, Scorsese... Oh, c'mon. Pretty much everyone in the demographics know exactly who Scorsese is. He's a legend. A friend of mine runs a pretty popular Instagram account about movies and, whenever he makes polls about the followers' favorite directors, Scorsese is always #1. I'd say younger audiences love and care about Marty more than Spielberg and Coppola, by far. Maybe it's because of his Leo collabs?
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Post by Good God on Sept 26, 2019 17:42:50 GMT
Most younger audiences might only know Nolan and Tarantino by name. Many of them only know the Avengers movies. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they know James Cameron by name too. Spielberg is literally the most famous director of all time. Scorsese is not even close to his league, popularity-wise. Oh, c'mon. Pretty much everyone in the demographics know exactly who Scorsese is. He's a legend. A friend of mine runs a pretty popular Instagram account about movies and, whenever he makes polls about the followers' favorite directors, Scorsese is always #1. I'd say younger audiences love and care about Marty more than Spielberg and Coppola, by far. Maybe it's because of his Leo collabs? It's an Instagram account about movies. So I'm guessing it's followed mostly by cinephiles. I definitely agree that Scorsese is the most beloved director among cinephiles. General audiences is a different deal. We're talking Joe Schmo and Plain Jane here. I've mentioned this several times before, but Scorsese almost always bombs at the Box Office unless he has a big star in the cast. He is not comparable as a draw to Cameron, Nolan, Spielberg, or Tarantino.
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 26, 2019 17:50:40 GMT
Most people who go to the movies, no matter the age, know Scorsese by name.
The few who don't, well they don't even know Pacino or De Niro by name so this movie won't mean much to them.
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Post by Good God on Sept 26, 2019 17:59:11 GMT
Most people who go to the movies, no matter the age, know Scorsese by name. I wonder why all Scorsese movies without a big star in them flop at the Box Office, then. It's not that simple. Most people don't know Scorsese by name. Some do, and some of those like him, and they'll watch the movie. More people know De Niro and Pacino by name than they do Scorsese. Some of the people who know them by name like them, and they'll watch the movie. Most people would have heard of The Wolf of Wall Street or The Departed. They may not all have watched it, but many would have, and quite a few of them may have liked those movies, and they'll watch the movie. These are 3 different sections of people. They may overlap to a large degree, or they may not. The point of marketing a movie is to try and make it appealing to a vast portion of general audiences. And that's what they're doing by listing out the name of the director, the names of the cast, and the names of some popular movies the director made. Oh, and you're going to have to offer more than just repeating the same thing over and over again if you're going to convince anyone that Scorsese is known by name among general audiences.
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Post by JangoB on Sept 26, 2019 17:59:13 GMT
Most people who go to the movies, no matter the age, know Scorsese by name. The few who don't, well they don't even know Pacino or De Niro by name so this movie won't mean much to them. Dude, I wish it were true but it just...isn't. Most people who go to the movies just want to do something after work or school, turn up at their local mall and browse through the options. Maybe they remember some trailer they saw that caught their attention. They do pop up for some specific movies as well, for sure, but these are mostly Disney box office juggernauts which mass audiences are conditioned to follow these days. Don't forget that movies are global too. I can guarantee you that a low percentage of Russian moviegoers know Scorsese by name. They know his DiCaprio movies but they don't know him as a household name. And I have to take issue with your 'no matter the age' comment too - I don't think current day younglings give a crap about Scorsese at all, however unfortunate this state of affairs may seem.
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Post by Good God on Sept 26, 2019 18:17:53 GMT
Anyway, I think Pacino looks like the MVP, going by that trailer. Love the Pesci, but I don't really see him doing anything special.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 26, 2019 18:35:25 GMT
Anyway, I think Pacino looks like the MVP, going by that trailer. Love the Pesci, but I don't really see him doing anything special. One of the (many) fun things about the way this movie is presented to us is how much is withheld from you - this trailer did a great job of clearly outlining the Hoffa story angle but not only didn't it give anything away, it in many ways is hiding things in plain sight. No shot of Cannavale yet and very little Graham.......Paquin mostly kept under wraps.......this trailer in a way mostly extended the scenes that we're in the teaser but many of the Hoffa scenes could be covered in montages possibly so it's hard to know how much time Pacino has etc.
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 26, 2019 18:39:47 GMT
Most people who go to the movies, no matter the age, know Scorsese by name. I wonder why all Scorsese movies without a big star in them flop at the Box Office, then. It's not that simple. Most people don't know Scorsese by name. Some do, and some of those like him, and they'll watch the movie. More people know De Niro and Pacino by name than they do Scorsese. Some of the people who know them by name like them, and they'll watch the movie. Most people would have heard of The Wolf of Wall Street or The Departed. They may not all have watched it, but many would have, and quite a few of them may have liked those movies, and they'll watch the movie. These are 3 different sections of people. They may overlap to a large degree, or they may not. The point of marketing a movie is to try and make it appealing to a vast portion of general audiences. And that's what they're doing by listing out the name of the director, the names of the cast, and the names of some popular movies the director made. Oh, and you're going to have to offer more than just repeating the same thing over and over again if you're going to convince anyone that Scorsese is known by name among general audiences. I have no intention at all to convince nobody about anything. Not even God... I said my opinion. You got another. That's great. I don't want to start a debate about who knows who, I think it's pointless. Just stated they didn't need to list some Scorsese films imo.
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 26, 2019 18:45:06 GMT
Most people who go to the movies, no matter the age, know Scorsese by name. The few who don't, well they don't even know Pacino or De Niro by name so this movie won't mean much to them. Dude, I wish it were true but it just...isn't. Most people who go to the movies just want to do something after work or school, turn up at their local mall and browse through the options. Maybe they remember some trailer they saw that caught their attention. They do pop up for some specific movies as well, for sure, but these are mostly Disney box office juggernauts which mass audiences are conditioned to follow these days. Don't forget that movies are global too. I can guarantee you that a low percentage of Russian moviegoers know Scorsese by name. They know his DiCaprio movies but they don't know him as a household name. And I have to take issue with your 'no matter the age' comment too - I don't think current day younglings give a crap about Scorsese at all, however unfortunate this state of affairs may seem. Yeah, well, about the youngsters and the Disney movies I already said what I believe... Anyway, maybe I'm wrong but I honestly don't think I am. Not totally anyway. But it's not a big deal you guys!!!
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Post by moonman157 on Sept 26, 2019 19:47:24 GMT
What the fuck is going on in here
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Post by Lubezki on Sept 26, 2019 21:17:18 GMT
I love Bobby D but it appears that he’s going to get blown off the screen in both of the films he’s in this year. 😶
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Sept 27, 2019 0:27:32 GMT
I can get all those "Academy Award winner" although I consider them to be useless. But why on earth mention some films Scorsese has directed???? Does anybody need to see that he's the director of Goodfellas or the Wolf of Wall Street to decide if he's gonna watch the Irishman?? A simple "a Martin Scorsese picture" would do just fine! Scorsese isn't Spielberg or Nolan. Most general audiences don't know him by name. I don’t know a single person that doesn’t know Scorses by name. And I don’t know any cinefiles in my every day life. General audiences definitely know who he is.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Sept 27, 2019 0:30:56 GMT
I’m 100% pumped for this. Don’t think the cgi will end up being too much of an issue to me while watching it in its entirety. Love that we finally got a shot of Keitel. Am sick of the disrespect of leaving his name off of everything as if he doesn’t belong with Pacino, DeNiro, and Pesci.
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Post by Viced on Sept 27, 2019 1:33:34 GMT
Am sick of the disrespect of leaving his name off of everything as if he doesn’t belong with Pacino, DeNiro, and Pesci. Relax, weirdo. His role isn’t as big as any of theirs.
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Post by Good God on Sept 27, 2019 1:41:51 GMT
I don’t know a single person that doesn’t know Scorses by name. And I don’t know any cinefiles in my every day life. General audiences definitely know who he is. Can't argue against anecdotal evidence, man. Maybe you live in a city where, culturally, people watch a lot of movies. Maybe it's just chance that everybody you know happens to know Scorsese. Or maybe not everybody you know knows Scorsese and you're exaggerating. I can counter with my own anecdotal evidence, but I won't do that. The fact remains that Scorsese has never sold a movie on his name like Cameron, Spielberg, Nolan, and Tarantino have. All his movies without stars flop at the Box Office. Heck, half his movies with stars flop at the Box Office.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Sept 27, 2019 1:52:38 GMT
Am sick of the disrespect of leaving his name off of everything as if he doesn’t belong with Pacino, DeNiro, and Pesci. Relax, weirdo. His role isn’t as big as any of theirs.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Sept 27, 2019 2:12:20 GMT
I don’t know a single person that doesn’t know Scorses by name. And I don’t know any cinefiles in my every day life. General audiences definitely know who he is. Can't argue against anecdotal evidence, man. Maybe you live in a city where, culturally, people watch a lot of movies. Maybe it's just chance that everybody you know happens to know Scorsese. Or maybe not everybody you know knows Scorsese and you're exaggerating. I can counter with my own anecdotal evidence, but I won't do that. The fact remains that Scorsese has never sold a movie on his name like Cameron, Spielberg, Nolan, and Tarantino have. All his movies without stars flop at the Box Office. Heck, half his movies with stars flop at the Box Office. Selling a movie based on his name is very different than having very recognizable name recognition.
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Post by Good God on Sept 27, 2019 2:22:56 GMT
Selling a movie based on his name is very different than having very recognizable name recognition. Okay, I'll concede that. I still don't think Scorsese is known by name to most general audiences, but at least we can agree that listing out some of the popular movies he made is a good marketing move.
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Post by Lubezki on Sept 27, 2019 3:25:37 GMT
Pacino’s speech in the courthouse reminded of
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Post by Viced on Sept 27, 2019 13:09:06 GMT
Edit: Just saw that the embargo doesn’t lift until 8 PM.
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Post by Lubezki on Sept 27, 2019 13:30:55 GMT
Just saw that the embargo doesn’t lift until 8 PM.
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 27, 2019 14:47:43 GMT
I can get all those "Academy Award winner" although I consider them to be useless. But why on earth mention some films Scorsese has directed???? Does anybody need to see that he's the director of Goodfellas or the Wolf of Wall Street to decide if he's gonna watch the Irishman?? A simple "a Martin Scorsese picture" would do just fine! Scorsese isn't Spielberg or Nolan. Most general audiences don't know him by name. I don't think young audiences had an idea who Spielberg and Nolan are. Like Scorcese, they only known by their name.- Nolan isn't that popular. Ask someone over 50 years, they have no idea who Nolan is, or what movies he had made. Any way, the people who have no idea who Scorcese is, also have no clue who Spielberg is, their movie are the Avengers ones, It and the Lion King, with some luck Mystery Netflix Comedy with Adam Sandler and Jennifer Aniston, GOT and Stranger Things.- Scorcese big last succesful film was Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull in 2008 (Lincoln also played well, but is a historical biopic about a famous President of USA).- Scorsese didn't make many movies as Spielberg. But according to box office mojo still he had 7hits at box office (over 120 m. with inflassion), other 8 that make some money (could be consider flop or success according their budget) and other other 7 films that flopped badly. And 2 documentaries that doesn't count.- Spielberg movies cost much money. So had 17 movies that were huge hits (2 with Gone of the Wind Standars) and 15 that probably floped (I mean make lots of money, but the movie were just too expensive).-
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