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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 19:07:52 GMT
A startling reminder that no matter how good you think your vocab is you can always get casually flexed on while reading discussions of an upcoming Scorsese film
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Sept 25, 2019 20:06:53 GMT
This looks really impressive much better than the first trailer did. Really, my only concern now is how the de-aging effects will look when compared to everyone else around DeNiro, but even then from what we've seen, I'm starting to like it more. It looks like they improved the "digital textures" on his face for example.
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 25, 2019 20:14:43 GMT
The only thing I find weird is changing De Niro's eye color. That sticks out the most to me. That was what sticks out to me also. I could live with the cgi work I saw in the first trailer but the VFX alongside De Niro's color lenses made it look really weird.
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Post by housepainter on Sept 25, 2019 20:21:19 GMT
Hmmmm, the CGI is very obvious IMO.
I’m v excited to see this but my expectations are lowered with every new image or bit of footage.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Sept 25, 2019 21:07:21 GMT
I think Scorsese could have gotten away with the de-aging CGI if he hadn't shot it to look so sharp and at such high resolution. Shoot it as though he and De Niro were picking up right where they left off in 1995, keep any desired color effects mostly in-camera, and strategically frame around the effects rather than doing something like panning to a close-up reveal of the de-aged face of an extremely famous actor we've been watching for almost their entire adult life.
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Post by Viced on Sept 25, 2019 21:27:42 GMT
A startling reminder that no matter how good you think your vocab is you can always get casually flexed on while reading discussions of an upcoming Scorsese film Someone didn't take Latin in high school.
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Post by Mattsby on Sept 25, 2019 21:48:02 GMT
My worry still isn't so much the CGI of the de-aging (although that clearly hasn't been entirely ironed out), but how the characters are going to actually move. Was it septuagenarian De Niro traipsing around with a Tommy gun in World War II, or did they get a body double a la The Social Network and graft his face onto it? Because if that's the case, at which point can you separate the two? That recent Empire magazine mentions a "posture coach" who was on-set, and I heard from someone else too that there was a lot of talking btwn Scorsese and the actors about how they should be moving (ie him telling Pesci to get up out of a chair less like an old man) - and most pics of them filming you can see those little clips on their faces and bodies. So I really don't think it's like a.... Hopkins in Westworld thing where it's clearly not their body.
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Post by Lubezki on Sept 26, 2019 4:04:13 GMT
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Post by DeepArcher on Sept 26, 2019 4:16:35 GMT
Fuck. Yes.
The deaging is definitely noticeable ... but the only place it's actually distracting is the WWII still (so, like, one or two flashback scenes maybe?). This looks incredible ... and really fun??
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Post by wallsofjericho on Sept 26, 2019 4:16:40 GMT
Loved that new trailer.
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Post by stephen on Sept 26, 2019 4:19:39 GMT
That was actually a pretty well-made trailer. Gives me a bit more confidence in its quality than I had. The CGI still looks dodgy on De Niro (though not as much as those eyes), but Pesci's actually looks surprisingly good considering what they had to work with, and Pacino in that courtroom scene looked pretty good. Still, I do think the whole thing looks a bit over-polished and slick to the point of artificiality; I wish they were giving it a bit more grit and grime to it. Hopefully the finished product exudes that.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Sept 26, 2019 4:39:55 GMT
Now that was a great trailer. De-aging was distracting in It 2 so we'll see how it turns out here but now I'm excited.
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Post by moonman157 on Sept 26, 2019 4:50:47 GMT
Looks GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 5:17:36 GMT
I think I’ll be able to hang with it. The de-aging, I mean. Honestly, I was just stoked at glimpsing Keitel there.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 26, 2019 6:01:29 GMT
Agree with Stephen about the look. It's bothering me a lot actually. Glossy, artificial, washed-out lighting, a clearly digital look and the CGI compounds it. Visually this looks nothing like any other Scorsese film I've seen. Felt like I was watching a trailer for Narcos.
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Post by morton on Sept 26, 2019 6:57:36 GMT
Fuck. Yes. The deaging is definitely noticeable ... but the only place it's actually distracting is the WWII still (so, like, one or two flashback scenes maybe?). This looks incredible ... and really fun?? I was really surprised by the tone of the trailer because of all the doom and gloom stuff that I've heard about the movie. Not that I minded a slower and longer film, but going by some of the buzz, I was expecting the trailer to be a lot more serious.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 26, 2019 7:01:09 GMT
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Post by Pavan on Sept 26, 2019 8:32:04 GMT
Looks pretty good aside from some noticeable CGI.
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Post by housepainter on Sept 26, 2019 8:56:58 GMT
Agree with Stephen about the look. It's bothering me a lot actually. Glossy, artificial, washed-out lighting, a clearly digital look and the CGI compounds it. Visually this looks nothing like any other Scorsese film I've seen. Felt like I was watching a trailer for Narcos. I think 'Wolf of Wall Street' had that same glossy, artificial look but you could argue it complimented the tacky and superficial tone of the characters and the world they lived in. Is this maybe a Rodrigo Prieto aesthetic rather than a Scorsese one? I've wondered for a while whether they would give the film a more overtly 'digital' look so the CGI stuff sits more comfortably in the frame. Rather than, say, jumping from a digital aesthetic to a gritty film one, back to a digital one. It's maybe the most effective way of making the CGI more seemless. Overall I preferred this trailer to the last one. De Niro seems more awake and the scope of the film looks like something I'll enjoy being immersed in for 3.5 hours! De Niro's eyes are quite weird but it probably works when you watch the film in its entirety, and you have to hope there's a reason they've made such a potentially jarring change to his appearance. I hope it's not a case of "the real Frank Sheeran had blue eyes and it will help people to accept the character as Irish". Plenty of Irish people have De Niro's natural eye colour and changing their colour could potentially compound the uncanny valley nature of the CGI - we'll see. I also liked the nod to Taxi Driver when De Niro is choosing which gun to select. I wonder if there'll be other visual references to their old movies, tying in with the whole "older men looking back" theme...?
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 26, 2019 9:27:00 GMT
I also liked the nod to Taxi Driver when De Niro is choosing which gun to select. I wonder if there'll be other visual references to their old movies, tying in with the whole "older men looking back" theme...? The trailer starts and ends with 2 Taxi Driver reference points - the Cadillac is shot as in Taxi Driver at the beginning in addition to the gun scene.......
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Post by JangoB on Sept 26, 2019 9:54:14 GMT
I also feel that the movie looks a bit different for Scorsese, a bit too digital...But I'm all in for that really. Helps make it all feel fresh. And yeah, if there's gonna be a problem regarding the effects, it's gonna be with the eyes, not with the de-aging. The eyes on De Niro and Pesci sometimes looked like they were inserted in post.
All that aside, the movie's gonna be totally great, isn't it?
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 26, 2019 10:17:08 GMT
Can't watch the trailer right now....
Judging by the first one, what distracted me the most was De Niro's blue eyes. Maybe they should not change the color because even if you don't notice the cgi, you will notice the eyes! It wasn't a big deal if Bobby looked exactly like Sheeran or not.
Imo, it's not even important if in some scenes the characters are supposed to be 35-40 years old and they finally look like 45-50 (except for the ww2 scene of course). No big deal the way I see it.
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Post by JangoB on Sept 26, 2019 11:02:35 GMT
I also feel that the movie looks a bit different for Scorsese, a bit too digital...But I'm all in for that really. Helps make it all feel fresh. And yeah, if there's gonna be a problem regarding the effects, it's gonna be with the eyes, not with the de-aging. The eyes on De Niro and Pesci sometimes looked like they were inserted in post. All that aside, the movie's gonna be totally great, isn't it? People are gonna focusing on acting not on those fucking Eyes! People are capable of focusing on several different things. I'm sure the acting will be fantastic (how can it not be with these guys?), I just hope I ain't gonna be distracted from it by Pesci's shark eyes or De Niro's blind guy eyes.
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Post by Viced on Sept 26, 2019 14:41:31 GMT
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 26, 2019 16:31:41 GMT
Just saw that trailer and I liked it. I think the cgi is pretty good and not all that distracting. What confused me the most was De Niro's color lenses... Also, wtf is wrong with Pesci's eyes? I really don't get it It's been two years since they started filming this and we had to wait until a day before the premiere to see how Keitel looks like in the film!!! Oh, and something else: I can get all those "Academy Award winner" although I consider them to be useless. But why on earth mention some films Scorsese has directed???? Does anybody need to see that he's the director of Goodfellas or the Wolf of Wall Street to decide if he's gonna watch the Irishman?? A simple "a Martin Scorsese picture" would do just fine!
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