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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 27, 2019 15:06:43 GMT
Scorcese big last succesful film was Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull in 2008 (Lincoln also played well, but is a historical biopic about a famous President of USA).- Spielberg.
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Post by Good God on Sept 27, 2019 15:31:00 GMT
I don't think young audiences had an idea who Spielberg and Nolan are. Like Scorcese, they only known by their name. Getting tired with these irrelevant nitpicks. I said general audiences. That includes both young audiences, old audiences, and everybody in between. This is simply not true. Spielberg is basically the most famous director of all time. Spielberg's last movie with no stars, Ready Player One (2018), made $583M on a budget of $175M. I think that qualifies as a hit. All of Scorsese's hits (with the exception of Taxi Driver, when De Niro wasn't yet a big star) had big stars in them. Spielberg has carried a whole bunch of movies without big stars in them to Box Office success. Not sure what metrics you're using to determine if a movie flopped or not. Just this century, even though he largely worked with DiCaprio, 4 of Scorsese's 7 movies flopped (failed to gross twice their budgets). Spielberg has a far, far better track record.
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Post by Viced on Sept 27, 2019 15:42:36 GMT
Is this lame discussion really still going on?
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 27, 2019 15:58:27 GMT
Nobody has seen this movie yet but on the imdb page, 140 people have already voted. Without having seen it...
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Post by morton on Sept 27, 2019 16:27:43 GMT
pacinoyes , I know it's early still, but what the hell, ETA: So far I see lots of praise calling it a masterpiece and what not, again I know it's too soon to tell, but I always think that if a film isn't instantly raved on Twitter as a masterpiece and that's going to win all the awards, I worry because it seems the actual response is much worse. So this seems like a great start so far.
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Post by Good God on Sept 27, 2019 16:30:53 GMT
I think the nomination will be as far as it goes for Pacino, but these are good early signs for him. The reviews for The Irishman will be crucial.
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Post by Good God on Sept 27, 2019 16:35:24 GMT
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Post by Lubezki on Sept 27, 2019 16:36:59 GMT
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Post by Good God on Sept 27, 2019 16:41:46 GMT
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Post by Archie on Sept 27, 2019 16:46:03 GMT
This is it.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 27, 2019 16:47:33 GMT
pacinoyes , I know it's early still, but what the hell, ETA: So far I see lots of praise calling it a masterpiece and what not, again I know it's too soon to tell, but I always think that if a film isn't instantly raved on Twitter as a masterpiece and that's going to win all the awards, I worry because it seems the actual response is much worse. So this seems like a great start so far. I would say a few things here some serious and one really funny if you know this board's history: * I am not sure I see the need to reward the 79 year old, most acclaimed actor ever (5 Triple Crown wins) with another award but a nomination would be very nice to separate him from Lemmon/Washington - very very fine actors but lesser than him imo. I don't think he really "needs" to win a 2nd etc. - nod would be nice. * Al Pacino has never been less than great when playing a real life role - he's great at it. He's also almost always superb when acting for a big director. * Let's wait to see what Joe Carnahan says........ * Always a little skeptical about Tweets......
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Post by stephen on Sept 27, 2019 16:51:09 GMT
Meanwhile, Pacinoyes is reading these initial tweets and replicating that scene in Breaking Bad where Jesse gets high with Jane for the first time.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Sept 27, 2019 16:51:12 GMT
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Post by Lubezki on Sept 27, 2019 16:54:40 GMT
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 27, 2019 16:58:06 GMT
This seemed like it would be a hit with Twitter just by virtue of hype alone. A lot of people desperately needed this to be great. I get that impulse, I have it all the time, and it can either backfire or be a self-fulfilling prophecy. But this movie doesn't look good to me. The tone looked all over the place, the cinematography looked glossy and artificial, the de-aging was weird...and I feel like I'm not crazy because my brother thinks it looks bad too and he cares about movies somewhat and has seen a lot of Scorsese films too.
These Twitter reactions don't have me convinced in the slightest. I'll wait for the reviews.
*I 100% believe the hype about Pacino though. I could tell from the first teaser that he was going to be my favorite thing about this.
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Post by DeepArcher on Sept 27, 2019 17:03:12 GMT
Lmao some of y'all just need to accept that this is gonna be a great goddamn movie
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Post by The-Havok on Sept 27, 2019 17:05:25 GMT
This seemed like it would be a hit with Twitter just by virtue of hype alone. A lot of people desperately needed this to be great. I get that impulse, I have it all the time, and it can either backfire or be a self-fulfilling prophecy. But this movie doesn't look good to me. The tone looked all over the place, the cinematography looked glossy and artificial, the de-aging was weird...and I feel like I'm not crazy because my brother thinks it looks bad too and he cares about movies somewhat and has seen a lot of Scorsese films too. These Twitter reactions don't have me convinced in the slightest. I'll wait for the reviews. *I 100% believe the hype about Pacino though. I could tell from the first teaser that he was going to be my favorite thing about this. Hey buddy, nobody cares. You can leave now thanks
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Post by Archie on Sept 27, 2019 17:07:18 GMT
This seemed like it would be a hit with Twitter just by virtue of hype alone. A lot of people desperately needed this to be great. I get that impulse, I have it all the time, and it can either backfire or be a self-fulfilling prophecy. But this movie doesn't look good to me. The tone looked all over the place, the cinematography looked glossy and artificial, the de-aging was weird...and I feel like I'm not crazy because my brother thinks it looks bad too and he cares about movies somewhat and has seen a lot of Scorsese films too. These Twitter reactions don't have me convinced in the slightest. I'll wait for the reviews. *I 100% believe the hype about Pacino though. I could tell from the first teaser that he was going to be my favorite thing about this. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by stephen on Sept 27, 2019 17:10:33 GMT
This seemed like it would be a hit with Twitter just by virtue of hype alone. A lot of people desperately needed this to be great. I get that impulse, I have it all the time, and it can either backfire or be a self-fulfilling prophecy. But this movie doesn't look good to me. The tone looked all over the place, the cinematography looked glossy and artificial, the de-aging was weird...and I feel like I'm not crazy because my brother thinks it looks bad too and he cares about movies somewhat and has seen a lot of Scorsese films too. These Twitter reactions don't have me convinced in the slightest. I'll wait for the reviews. *I 100% believe the hype about Pacino though. I could tell from the first teaser that he was going to be my favorite thing about this. Thanks for sharing. Here's the thing, though: he's not wrong. We've all seen initial tweets rave a movie (particularly one as hyped as this one) to the heavens, but reviews come out and they are much cooler and more reserved. It could be The Irishman is as good as these initial reactions suggest, but it could also be a case of people eager to vaunt praise on a movie they literally just finished watching without taking time to ruminate. These initial reactions are promising for sure, but if anyone was going to come in with a pre-conceived fanbase ready to eat it up, it's Scorsese.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 27, 2019 17:19:39 GMT
Here's the thing, though: he's not wrong. We've all seen initial tweets rave a movie (particularly one as hyped as this one) to the heavens, but reviews come out and they are much cooler and more reserved. It could be The Irishman is as good as these initial reactions suggest, but it could also be a case of people eager to vaunt praise on a movie they literally just finished watching without taking time to ruminate. These initial reactions are promising for sure, but if anyone was going to come in with a pre-conceived fanbase ready to eat it up, it's Scorsese. All this. But I'm feeling positive mainly about reports that the pacing is good. The first trailer really deflated my anticipation, as it looked ponderous. The most recent trailer got it back with a bit more kinetic movement and humor, but then some producer said it was "slow", so I got worried again. But this is Scorsese's milieu. He knows what he's doing. As you know from the Venice thread, I haven't trusted critics as far as you can throw them lately (they lie a a lot), but I have faith in Scorsese in this genre, so I want to believe.
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Post by Good God on Sept 27, 2019 17:23:34 GMT
This seemed like it would be a hit with Twitter just by virtue of hype alone. A lot of people desperately needed this to be great. I get that impulse, I have it all the time, and it can either backfire or be a self-fulfilling prophecy. But this movie doesn't look good to me. The tone looked all over the place, the cinematography looked glossy and artificial, the de-aging was weird...and I feel like I'm not crazy because my brother thinks it looks bad too and he cares about movies somewhat and has seen a lot of Scorsese films too. These Twitter reactions don't have me convinced in the slightest. I'll wait for the reviews.*I 100% believe the hype about Pacino though. I could tell from the first teaser that he was going to be my favorite thing about this. Something tells me the reviews, if they're great, won't convince you either. If the reviews are bad, though, they will be very convincing. It's called confirmation bias.
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Post by JangoB on Sept 27, 2019 17:27:24 GMT
Apart from having a sense of calm after reading these reactions (I had no doubts that the film was going to deliver), I'm really really happy about Pacino getting especially good ink. Seeing how Scorsese has worked with De Niro and Pesci before, Pacino is kind of a newbie in this particular group and these reactions seem to show that the promised greatness of a Scorsese/Pacino collaboration has indeed become reality. Can't goddamn wait.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 27, 2019 17:27:30 GMT
What we have to remember is even if the overall reaction doesn't match these raves there's clearly a huge swath of passion for this film - if you read the tweets and I'm sure this will be more evident in tonight's reviews - people are already praising the scope and detail.
That's going to matter big time when you can rewatch it over and over on your tv - the initial reaction to Godfather II wasn't overwhelmingly positive until it sunk in.
There's only 3 movies with scope and movie-type reach this year that I see OUATIH, 1917 (that's a guess) and this one......this movie is going to rack up nods.
Surprised not to hear more about the music.
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Post by Pavan on Sept 27, 2019 17:32:53 GMT
So happy that Pacino is getting most applauds. Go get that Oscar Al
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Post by Zeb31 on Sept 27, 2019 17:34:31 GMT
This seemed like it would be a hit with Twitter just by virtue of hype alone. A lot of people desperately needed this to be great. I get that impulse, I have it all the time, and it can either backfire or be a self-fulfilling prophecy. But this movie doesn't look good to me. The tone looked all over the place, the cinematography looked glossy and artificial, the de-aging was weird...and I feel like I'm not crazy because my brother thinks it looks bad too and he cares about movies somewhat and has seen a lot of Scorsese films too. These Twitter reactions don't have me convinced in the slightest. I'll wait for the reviews. *I 100% believe the hype about Pacino though. I could tell from the first teaser that he was going to be my favorite thing about this. I wasn't over the moon about the trailer either, but I'm more than willing to chalk that up to Netflix not being the best studio out there when it comes to cutting trailers. My only real concern was whether the de-aging would work or be a distraction but so far it seems to be the former, so I can't wait for this, especially with all these reactions indicating that it earns its runtime and doesn't drag.
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