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Post by finniussnrub on Mar 18, 2024 2:44:47 GMT
Who would you say could fall under that tag from the previous decade, now that we can look back a bit, aka whose career either floundered, or didn't really progress in the way an Oscar win would suggest they should or could?
For example:
Alicia Vikander: She's certainly still in things of course, but seemed like she was rising towards A-list, but that abruptly halted.
Renee Zellweger: Despite the surprise comeback, went right back to where she was it seemed, except for two tv shows that both kind of flopped. I guess though if she did it once, she can do it again.
Michel Hazanavicius: After a flopped attempt at a follow-up prestige with The Search, basically went back to where he was in doing his Metacinema films, which to be fair The Artist was as well, it just happened to turn out as a prestigious version of that.
Any others? Or counters against these?
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Post by JangoB on Mar 18, 2024 2:49:39 GMT
Wally Pfister Wins for Inception, follows it up with Moneyball and The Dark Knight Rises... so far so good... but then decides to quit cinematography to be a director and makes Transcendence. Hasn't worked in feature films since.
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Post by paulgallo on Mar 18, 2024 21:09:07 GMT
Brie Larson. Such an underwhelming run.
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Post by wonky on Mar 24, 2024 19:20:46 GMT
Obviously he will always command respect but I feel like Life of Pi's box office and Oscar success kinda cursed Ang Lee in giving him the encouragement and runway to pursue technological follies with Billy Lynn and Gemini Man.
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Post by franklin on Mar 24, 2024 22:26:16 GMT
Zellweger had the most irrelevant comeback i've ever seen in the film industry.
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Post by Nikan on Mar 24, 2024 22:42:11 GMT
Lupita Nyong'o I guess... or Tom Hooper, the academy award winner director of Cats.
Imma ask those who watch their annual noms/winners so closely, if you:
a) actually change your winners in a few years if the rest of their run proved to be not worthy or
b) stick to your winners no matter what comes out of them (metoo stuff even).
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 24, 2024 22:49:19 GMT
Lupita Nyong'o I guess... or Tom Hooper, the academy award winner director of Cats. Imma ask those who watch their annual noms/winners so closely, if you: a) actually change your winners in a few years if the rest of their run proved to be not worthy or b) stick to your winners no matter what comes out of them (metoo stuff even). Nyong'o has actually done pretty well off the back of that Oscar win. She's actually went from being a complete unknown to legit stardom and can headline big movies ( like Us and the upcoming A Quiet Place: Day One). I'm not sure many people expected her to be a major star a decade on from 12 Years A Slave.
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Post by stephen on Mar 24, 2024 22:49:29 GMT
Lupita Nyong'o I guess... or Tom Hooper, the academy award winner director of Cats. Imma ask those who watch their annual noms/winners so closely, if you: a) actually change your winners in a few years if the rest of their run proved to be not worthy or b) stick to your winners no matter what comes out of them (metoo stuff even). To answer your questions: a.) An actor's career before/after the performance in question is completely inconsequential to whether I give them the win or not. b.) I've never stripped a win away because of prior and future controversy or criminal act. I'm recognizing the artistic merit of a performance/film, not the decency of the artist.
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Post by stephen on Mar 24, 2024 22:53:24 GMT
Lupita Nyong'o I guess... or Tom Hooper, the academy award winner director of Cats. Imma ask those who watch their annual noms/winners so closely, if you: a) actually change your winners in a few years if the rest of their run proved to be not worthy or b) stick to your winners no matter what comes out of them (metoo stuff even). Nyong'o has actually done pretty well off the back of that Oscar win. She's actually maintained stardom and can headline big movies ( like Us and the upcoming A Quiet Place: Day One). I'm not sure many people expected her to still be a major star a decade on from 12 Years A Slave.Yeah, Nyong'o has had a pretty strong career considering she won an Oscar off her debut, and while she's not yet garnered a second Oscar nomination, she's won an Emmy (off several nominations) and maintained a pretty high profile both in front of and behind the camera. When gauging the perceived "Oscar curse," one really has to look beyond the margins of follow-up Oscar nominations. Jean Dujardin, for instance, was more interested in pursuing projects in France and has done exceedingly well there. Tom Hooper followed up his Oscar win with Les Miserables. Cats was nearly a decade after The King's Speech, so I wouldn't even say he's a victim of this curse, either.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 24, 2024 23:49:35 GMT
poor old Hooper. the guy hasn't directed anything in 5 years.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 25, 2024 0:00:20 GMT
I agree with stephen in that I don't think Tom Hooper counts. He had a successful run after his Oscar win ( Les Miserables was up for Best Picture at the Oscars and was a commercial hit. The Danish Girl was up for several Oscars and won supporting actress for Alicia Vikander).He directed a critically reviled big budget box office disaster in Cats that has put him in director jail. But I don't think that has anything to do with an "Oscar curse". He was having a successful post-Oscar career till Cats.
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Post by stephen on Mar 25, 2024 0:14:30 GMT
poor old Hooper. the guy hasn't directed anything in 5 years. The man made The Danish Girl. Fuck him.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Mar 25, 2024 1:20:35 GMT
poor old Hooper. the guy hasn't directed anything in 5 years. The man made The Danish Girl. Fuck him. The man stole Fincher's Oscar. FUUUUCK HIM.
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Post by dadsburgers on Mar 25, 2024 1:58:03 GMT
Tom Hooper's career went excellently after his Oscar win. He got to direct two more major Oscar bait films. It's how he directed them that ruined his own career from then on.
Actors whose careers floundered from their Oscar wins: Jean Dujardin Eddie Redmayne Rami Malek Melissa Leo Patricia Arquette Alicia Vikander J.K. Simmons (people still love him, but he should have better roles than he does)
Other than Simmons (and maybe Dujardin?) all of these people lost their good grace with audiences when they won. All great actors, even if their performances aren't the 'best,' so the overrecognition sort of backfires on them in the long run. Redmayne and Malek especially.
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Post by finniussnrub on Mar 25, 2024 2:03:57 GMT
Tom Hooper's career went excellently after his Oscar win. He got to direct two more major Oscar bait films. It's how he directed them that ruined his own career from then on. Actors whose careers floundered from their Oscar wins: Jean DujardinEddie RedmayneRami Malek Melissa Leo Patricia Arquette Alicia Vikander J.K. Simmons (people still love him, but he should have better roles than he does) Other than Simmons (and maybe Dujardin?) all of these people lost their good grace with audiences when they won. All great actors, even if their performances aren't the 'best,' so the overrecognition sort of backfires on them in the long run. Redmayne and Malek especially. Dujardin's hardly floundered, he was a successful actor in France, and stayed a successful actor in France. He didn't try and fail at Hollywood, he did two minor roles for noted Hollywood names (Scorsese, Clooney), it doesn't seem like he really cared to try to break out in the US.
Many dislike Redmayne, but he followed up his Oscar win, with another Oscar nomination, a big blockbuster hit in the first Fantastic Beasts, was a central role in a major contender in Chicago Seven and even recently was in Oscar contention for The Good Nurse.
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Post by stephen on Mar 25, 2024 2:04:38 GMT
Tom Hooper's career went excellently after his Oscar win. He got to direct two more major Oscar bait films. It's how he directed them that ruined his own career from then on. Actors whose careers floundered from their Oscar wins: Jean Dujardin Eddie Redmayne Rami Malek Melissa Leo Patricia Arquette Alicia Vikander J.K. Simmons (people still love him, but he should have better roles than he does) Other than Simmons (and maybe Dujardin?) all of these people lost their good grace with audiences when they won. All great actors, even if their performances aren't the 'best,' so the overrecognition sort of backfires on them in the long run. Redmayne and Malek especially. Dujardin went back to France and has maintained a successful career there. Redmayne was nominated for a second Oscar immediately after his Oscar win, attached himself to a franchise that wound up getting torpedoed by bad press, but he's won acclaim on stage for Cabaret and could be in line for his second Tony soon. Malek was a Bond villain and appeared in a Nolan film. Melissa Leo and Patricia Arquette won Emmys after their Oscar win and continue to be in-demand character actresses in supporting roles. Alicia Vikander, sure, but she took time to have a family. J. K. Simmons got a second Oscar nomination just a couple years ago.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 25, 2024 2:21:35 GMT
To be fair, half of Hollywood appeared in Oppenheimer, so that in of itself isn't neccesarily evidence that your career is in brilliant shape ( Alden Ehrenreich and Josh Harnett being examples of actors who were very much off the radar for many till they showed up in Oppenheimer). The movie had 144 speaking parts, which is nuts.
Saying that, I don't think Malek has had a bad post-Oscar career. Bond villain, headlined a film with Denzel Washington, which was a good look for him to get equal billing to such a huge star. Amsterdam was a critical and commercial disaster, but he was part of a big ensemble, so I don't think he took a hit for it's failure. Malek doesn't really work that much, and that is probably by choice. I think he's doing ok, post Oscar.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 25, 2024 2:23:54 GMT
It happened literally right before he won his Oscar, but Will Smith?
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Post by stephen on Mar 25, 2024 2:25:31 GMT
To be fair, half of Hollywood appeared in Oppenheimer, so that in of itself isn't neccesarily evidence that your career is in brilliant shape ( Alden Ehrenreich and Josh Harnett being examples of actors who were very much off the radar for many till they showed up in Oppenheimer). The movie had 144 speaking parts, which is nuts. Saying that, I don't think Malek has had a bad post-Oscar career. Bond villain, headlined a film with Denzel Washington, which was a good look for him . Amsterdam was a critical and commercial disaster, but he was part of a big ensemble, so I don't think he took much of a hit for it's failure. Malek doesn't really work that much, and that is probably by choice. I think he's doing ok, post Oscar. Unlike Hartnett and Ehrenreich, Malek got solo billing for that movie and consequently netted a SAG Ensemble award. It was a small role and yes, half of Hollywood was in it, but that's still a feather in his cap. No one remembers Amsterdam enough for him to be tainted by it (O. Russell is the one who copped most of that, but it seems most people try to bury that movie out of their minds), and yeah, he was in The Little Things.
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Post by stephen on Mar 25, 2024 2:26:22 GMT
It happened literally right before he won his Oscar, but Will Smith? In so much as attending the Oscars that night killed his career, yeah.
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Post by quetee on Mar 25, 2024 2:30:11 GMT
Director of The Beasts of the Southern Wild.
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Post by stephen on Mar 25, 2024 2:31:14 GMT
Director of The Beasts of the Southern Wild. He didn't win.
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Post by quetee on Mar 25, 2024 2:34:32 GMT
Director of The Beasts of the Southern Wild. He didn't win. Ohh thought just people nominated. Then I will go with Alicia.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 25, 2024 2:52:16 GMT
To be fair, half of Hollywood appeared in Oppenheimer, so that in of itself isn't neccesarily evidence that your career is in brilliant shape ( Alden Ehrenreich and Josh Harnett being examples of actors who were very much off the radar for many till they showed up in Oppenheimer). The movie had 144 speaking parts, which is nuts. Saying that, I don't think Malek has had a bad post-Oscar career. Bond villain, headlined a film with Denzel Washington, which was a good look for him . Amsterdam was a critical and commercial disaster, but he was part of a big ensemble, so I don't think he took much of a hit for it's failure. Malek doesn't really work that much, and that is probably by choice. I think he's doing ok, post Oscar. Unlike Hartnett and Ehrenreich, Malek got solo billing for that movie and consequently netted a SAG Ensemble award. It was a small role and yes, half of Hollywood was in it, but that's still a feather in his cap. No one remembers Amsterdam enough for him to be tainted by it (O. Russell is the one who copped most of that, but it seems most people try to bury that movie out of their minds), and yeah, he was in The Little Things. Good points, but Josh Harnett also got a solo credit for Oppenheimer and won a SAG ensemble award.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 25, 2024 3:10:11 GMT
It happened literally right before he won his Oscar, but Will Smith? In so much as attending the Oscars that night killed his career, yeah. I think Smith's career is far from dead. I'll be shocked if Bad Boys 4 isn't a massive hit.
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