|
Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Dec 16, 2022 3:56:45 GMT
|
|
|
Post by futuretrunks on Dec 16, 2022 5:32:31 GMT
|
|
|
Post by stabcaesar on Dec 16, 2022 8:10:17 GMT
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Dec 16, 2022 8:37:11 GMT
Really surprised that the 50 something white guy may make a movie with the biggest (also white btw) movie star ever (I guess) who has starred in like 10 BP nominees - more than any actor, ever? ( filmography matters get it yet?) rather than the 70 year old Black actor who has starred in almost 0 BP nominees and is great but 70......... and that's after having a 25 year career of writing parts exclusively for white guys (yeah I know SLJ in Hard Eight and Don Cheadle but not the same thing...). Both great actors but the Denzel stuff in this thread was fucking excruciating and stupid to read .......not saying he won't make that 70 year old Denzel gangster picture but he'll make it after he has an Oscar..... Also did someone say they wanted to "fuck me" in this thread for expressing my opinion.......? Nope....you buy me dinner first pal .......and get in line.......maybe try to get some practice aside from Sally Palm ...... and watch your language you vulgarian...
|
|
|
Post by franklin on Dec 16, 2022 17:23:53 GMT
Hear me out, what if this project has both Leo and Denzel together? And that's why it's so secret?
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Dec 16, 2022 17:37:31 GMT
Hear me out, what if this project has both Leo and Denzel together? And that's why it's so secret? Possible - but PTA's movies don't pull the money to pay those two - and Denzel Washington - after a certain point - has never shown a willingness to act opposite an "equal" male - a big name heavy hitter Oscar winning male (not since AG really, Malek - but not the same thing) like that - or to take any supporting roles or be funny (um)........or be in a real ensemble.......not recently anyway....... or do anything that DiCaprio does all the time actually............but sure that would be an event if it happens The bigger story here is how PTA no longer seems to want to take years off in between films and is having a creative burst.........THAT's the bigger story here.......not who his lead is.........to me anyway........ My guess though is this ........
|
|
|
Post by quetee on Dec 16, 2022 18:25:55 GMT
I'll believe it when the trailer drops.
|
|
wonky
Full Member
Posts: 595
Likes: 713
|
Post by wonky on Dec 16, 2022 21:24:53 GMT
The bigger story here is how PTA no longer seems to want to take years off in between films and is having a creative burst.........THAT's the bigger story here.......not who his lead is.........to me anyway........ Probably not coincidence that the years between PDL, TWBB, and The Master he was hitching up with Maya Rudolph and having a bunch of kids. I remember him saying somewhere around The Master and Inherent Vice that he'd always wanted to be more productive...in some ways you could say he was But who knows, not like Maya stopped working
|
|
|
Post by futuretrunks on Dec 16, 2022 22:56:12 GMT
Hear me out, what if this project has both Leo and Denzel together? And that's why it's so secret? Possible - but PTA's movies don't pull the money to pay those two - and Denzel Washington - after a certain point - has never shown a willingness to act opposite an "equal" male - a big name heavy hitter Oscar winning male (not since AG really, Malek - but not the same thing) like that - or to take any supporting roles or be funny (um)........or be in a real ensemble.......not recently anyway....... or do anything that DiCaprio does all the time actually............but sure that would be an event if it happens The bigger story here is how PTA no longer seems to want to take years off in between films and is having a creative burst.........THAT's the bigger story here.......not who his lead is.........to me anyway........ My guess though is this ........ American Gangster? I think the issue was always more about getting offers from some big-name directors (i.e. the people who can cast multiple heavyweights in a movie). Aside from Hounsou's role in Amistad, I don't think Spielberg has offered him a role, nor Scorsese, Tarantino, Mann, Soderbergh, etc. I don't think Denzel's ducking other actors.
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Dec 16, 2022 23:02:31 GMT
Possible - but PTA's movies don't pull the money to pay those two - and Denzel Washington - after a certain point - has never shown a willingness to act opposite an "equal" male - a big name heavy hitter Oscar winning male (not since AG really, Malek - but not the same thing) like that - or to take any supporting roles or be funny (um)........or be in a real ensemble.......not recently anyway....... or do anything that DiCaprio does all the time actually............but sure that would be an event if it happens The bigger story here is how PTA no longer seems to want to take years off in between films and is having a creative burst.........THAT's the bigger story here.......not who his lead is.........to me anyway........ American Gangster? I think the issue was always more about getting offers from some big-name directors (i.e. the people who can cast multiple heavyweights in a movie). Aside from Hounsou's role in Amistad, I don't think Spielberg has offered him a role, nor Scorsese, Tarantino, Mann, Soderbergh, etc. I don't think Denzel's ducking other actors. I don't think he's ducking other actors either - but you said that not me......I'm sayng he likes being the big fish in the pond - all the time - and since American Gangster- he doesn't seek out projects - or develop them actually - where he has to share the male lead spotlight........it's not just this.......it's that he is hard to get into your project too......add PTA, Nolan, Fincher too since 2007 .......more or less..........so far anyway I don't think Spielberg has offered him a role, nor Scorsese, Tarantino, Mann, Soderbergh
|
|
|
Post by stephen on Dec 16, 2022 23:19:34 GMT
I don't think he's ducking other actors either - but you said that not me......I'm sayng he likes being the big fish in the pond - all the time - and since American Gangster- he doesn't seek out projects - or develop them actually - where he has to share the male lead spotlight........it's not just this.......it's that he is hard to get into your project too......add PTA, Nolan, Fincher too since 2007 .......more or less..........so far anyway I don't think Spielberg has offered him a role, nor Scorsese, Tarantino, Mann, SoderberghSpielberg offered him the role of Cinque in Amistad and he famously turned it down. As for the other guys, it says more about the sort of movies they make (what Scorsese movie would Washington have been a good fit for, considering he makes either crime dramas with De Niro/DiCaprio, period pieces with De Niro/DiCaprio, French-set odes to cinema, and movies set in feudal Japan? Bringing Out the Dead?) than Washington himself. Washington's always been an anomaly because he's not been able to hold the same type of directorial clout as a lot of his contemporaries, and I think he's at the stage in life where he wants to pursue auteurs -- specifically, auteurs who make movies where race may not necessarily be a focal theme. He's already gotten Coen, and now he wants PTA, Cuaron, and McQueen.
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Dec 16, 2022 23:44:52 GMT
I don't think he's ducking other actors either - but you said that not me......I'm sayng he likes being the big fish in the pond - all the time - and since American Gangster- he doesn't seek out projects - or develop them actually - where he has to share the male lead spotlight........it's not just this.......it's that he is hard to get into your project too......add PTA, Nolan, Fincher too since 2007 .......more or less..........so far anyway I don't think Spielberg has offered him a role, nor Scorsese, Tarantino, Mann, SoderberghSpielberg offered him the role of Cinque in Amistad and he famously turned it down. As for the other guys, it says more about the sort of movies they make (what Scorsese movie would Washington have been a good fit for, considering he makes either crime dramas with De Niro/DiCaprio, period pieces with De Niro/DiCaprio, French-set odes to cinema, and movies set in feudal Japan? Bringing Out the Dead?) than Washington himself. Washington's always been an anomaly because he's not been able to hold the same type of directorial clout as a lot of his contemporaries, and I think he's at the stage in life where he wants to pursue auteurs -- specifically, auteurs who make movies where race may not necessarily be a focal theme. He's already gotten Coen, and now he wants PTA, Cuaron, and McQueen. Maybe - I'm saying at 70 pursuing auteurs is a lot harder to actually do than it is to say - I am not sure he's at that stage in life that you do ^ - I'm not so sure he's not at the stage where he retires doing theater which he also "said"............ and after everybody jizzed themselves that he'd be working with PTA, McQueen, Curaon........... he promptly signed on......... to The Equalizer 3. There are several roles he could have played for those directors - but your focusing on Scorsese is disingenuous because he is not easy - maybe he could have played the Kingsley role in Shutter Island (um) - I'm saying he never pursued auteurs either - he likes being the big fish and he should have transitioned to different types of work - ensemble, supporting - years ago imo - but that's ok, he does what he wants - it's fine, he goes to his own drummer.....but let's not pretend he didn't have choices when he was taking 15 cop roles. Maybe he could have played the Cruise role in Collateral for example..........I'm not saying he got offered it....I'm saying i f he got offered it.......... he wouldn't have done it. Personally, I hope he does King Lear with McQueen - would love to see it ..... and it's never too late............I'm just saying doing it gets harder not easier as you get older.......
|
|
|
Post by stephen on Dec 17, 2022 0:38:30 GMT
Spielberg offered him the role of Cinque in Amistad and he famously turned it down. As for the other guys, it says more about the sort of movies they make (what Scorsese movie would Washington have been a good fit for, considering he makes either crime dramas with De Niro/DiCaprio, period pieces with De Niro/DiCaprio, French-set odes to cinema, and movies set in feudal Japan? Bringing Out the Dead?) than Washington himself. Washington's always been an anomaly because he's not been able to hold the same type of directorial clout as a lot of his contemporaries, and I think he's at the stage in life where he wants to pursue auteurs -- specifically, auteurs who make movies where race may not necessarily be a focal theme. He's already gotten Coen, and now he wants PTA, Cuaron, and McQueen. Maybe - I'm saying at 70 pursuing auteurs is a lot harder to actually do than it is to say - I am not sure he's at that stage in life that you do ^ - I'm not so sure he's not at the stage where he retires doing theater which he also "said"............ and after everybody jizzed themselves that he'd be working with PTA, McQueen, Curaon........... he promptly signed on......... to The Equalizer 3. There are several roles he could have played for those directors - but your focusing on Scorsese is disingenuous because he is not easy - maybe he could have played the Kingsley role in Shutter Island (um) - I'm saying he never pursued auteurs either - he likes being the big fish and he should have transitioned to different types of work - ensemble, supporting - years ago imo - but that's ok, he does what he wants - it's fine, he goes to his own drummer.....but let's not pretend he didn't have choices when he was taking 15 cop roles. Maybe he could have played the Cruise role in Collateral for example..........I'm not saying he got offered it....I'm saying i f he got offered it.......... he wouldn't have done it. Personally, I hope he does King Lear with McQueen - would love to see it ..... and it's never too late............I'm just saying doing it gets harder not easier as you get older....... He signed on to do The Equalizer 3 because he likes working with Fuqua and he's feeling that he is aging out of those roles and he wants to put a bow on his franchise character. It's easy money for him, and it's something he enjoys doing. He ain't getting any younger, and it's clear he likes doing it, so I don't ding him for that. I focus on Scorsese because you brought him up. There's an obvious reason why Washington wouldn't be considered for the Kingsley role in Shutter Island. Scorsese hasn't been known for his colorblind casting. Tarantino -- isn't there some beef between them surrounding racial invectives in Crimson Tide's dialogue that he objected to? Could be that Tarantino just doesn't want to go back to that well, and frankly, even if he did, what role in any of Tarantino's movies would you see Denzel taking on? Major Marquis Warren is the only one that would make sense, and even then, there's no way Tarantino isn't giving that role to Jackson. Yes, maybe he could have played the Cruise role in Collateral but Cruise is one of the few mega-stars who, especially then, was guaranteed B.O. gold. And Washington in the Max role wouldn't have worked because that role required someone younger, more naive. The thing is, you have no idea whether or not Washington has pursued projects with these men and they just haven't materialized. He's obviously been around long enough that he's probably met them all and networking is key in the industry. But Washington has for the longest time tried to resist being typecast by his race, turning down slave roles or parts that he feels objectify his ethnicity. And despite being among the most bankable leading men in Hollywood, Washington expressly doesn't usually get first dibs on projects. But now, he's an elder statesman who can reach out to younger directors who grew up watching his movies and actually bring clout to the table.
|
|
|
Post by finniussnrub on Dec 17, 2022 1:00:50 GMT
Spielberg offered him the role of Cinque in Amistad and he famously turned it down. As for the other guys, it says more about the sort of movies they make (what Scorsese movie would Washington have been a good fit for, considering he makes either crime dramas with De Niro/DiCaprio, period pieces with De Niro/DiCaprio, French-set odes to cinema, and movies set in feudal Japan? Bringing Out the Dead?) than Washington himself. Washington's always been an anomaly because he's not been able to hold the same type of directorial clout as a lot of his contemporaries, and I think he's at the stage in life where he wants to pursue auteurs -- specifically, auteurs who make movies where race may not necessarily be a focal theme. He's already gotten Coen, and now he wants PTA, Cuaron, and McQueen. There are several roles he could have played for those directors - but your focusing on Scorsese is disingenuous because he is not easy - maybe he could have played the Kingsley role in Shutter Island.Not in a film that takes place in 1954.
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Dec 17, 2022 1:03:19 GMT
He signed on to do The Equalizer 3 because he likes working with Fuqua and he's feeling that he is aging out of those roles and he wants to put a bow on his franchise character. It's easy money for him, and it's something he enjoys doing. He ain't getting any younger, and it's clear he likes doing it, so I don't ding him for that. I ding him for that - because he should have been transitioning to ensembles and supporting roles 20 years ago - he's not "aging out of those roles"........... he's at least 10 years late. Ymmv.I focus on Scorsese because you brought him up. There's an obvious reason why Washington wouldn't be considered for the Kingsley role in Shutter Island. Scorsese hasn't been known for his colorblind casting. No, I did not - futuretrunks brought him up and I responded to him and was quoting his post.....
The thing is, you have no idea whether or not Washington has pursued projects with these men and they just haven't materialized. reach out to younger directors who grew up watching his movies and actually bring clout to the table. You also have no idea either stephen. I'm saying that yeah - they haven't materialized for 40 years......... those directors are going to have a hard time writing roles for a 70 year old man that's all.......
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Dec 17, 2022 1:11:25 GMT
There are several roles he could have played for those directors - but your focusing on Scorsese is disingenuous because he is not easy - maybe he could have played the Kingsley role in Shutter Island.Not in a film that takes place in 1954. ........Don't tell Sidney Poitier .........in his screen debut playing a doctor in 1950....he was 22 iirc .......No Way Out
|
|
|
Post by sterlingarcher86 on Dec 17, 2022 1:14:05 GMT
I can tell by how many hidden posts I’m seeing in this thread that this conversation is still about Denzel Washington for some reason. I’ll come back when the conversation is actually about this movie.
|
|
|
Post by finniussnrub on Dec 17, 2022 1:19:02 GMT
Not in a film that takes place in 1954. ........Don't tell Sidney Poitier .........in his screen debut playing a doctor in 1950....he was 22 iirc .......No Way Out
Yes as an emergency room doctor in a city county hospital, not as the head of a large scale institute, filled with white patients and employees. You might be able to sell me on Ruffalo's part, but sadly America wasn't quite there in 54 for that to be believable historically.
|
|
|
Post by finniussnrub on Dec 17, 2022 2:17:25 GMT
Hear me out, what if this project has both Leo and Denzel together? And that's why it's so secret? Possible - but PTA's movies don't pull the money to pay those two - and Denzel Washington If you have DiCaprio, you'll pull more money. The man got J. Edgar to make bank.
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Dec 17, 2022 3:04:48 GMT
This board is wild. Leonardo DiCaprio gets rumoured to be the the potential star of the new PTA, and that's somehow a perfect excuse for the PacinoSuperfan to turn it into a full fledged discussion about why Denzel Washington ain't all that (as usual) , instead of talking about y'know...Leo !!!. Obsession much! Carry on.
|
|
sirchuck23
Based
Bad news dawg...you don't mind if I have some of your 300 dollar a glass shit there would ya?
Posts: 2,725
Likes: 4,834
|
Post by sirchuck23 on Dec 17, 2022 3:11:10 GMT
This board is wild. Leonardo DiCaprio gets rumoured to be the the potential star of the new PTA, and that's somehow a perfect excuse for the PacinoSuperfan to turn it into a full fledged discussion about why Denzel Washington ain't all that (as usual) , instead of talking about y'know...Leo !!!. Obsession much! Carry on.
About 0 Best Picture nominations!!! LOL..nice way to say 2. I guess Pacino has "about 0" Oscar acting nominations this century
|
|
|
Post by quetee on Dec 17, 2022 3:18:51 GMT
This board is wild. Leonardo DiCaprio gets rumoured to be the the potential star of the new PTA, and that's somehow a perfect excuse for the PacinoSuperfan to turn it into a full fledged discussion about why Denzel Washington ain't all that (as usual) , instead of talking about y'know...Leo !!!. Obsession much! Carry on. It's beyond silly at this point. Denzel gets blamed for everything. At least A list directors still want to work with him. Look at Crowe, he can't even get cast in a studio pic nowadays.
|
|
|
Post by quetee on Dec 17, 2022 3:34:26 GMT
By the way, how disrespectful to use Sidney as an example. He couldn't even fucking vote in 54.
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Dec 17, 2022 8:04:34 GMT
Just posted a picture of Poitier playing a doctor in 1950. Played a psychiatrist in 1962 also btw. Not disrespectful. At all.
Moving on ......this is what Licorice Pizza made - so if this is PTA's "sci-fi" movie - whether it stars DiCap, or whomever - while his films don't flop - they do tend to have a ceiling (TWBB 76 Million WW) ......so maybe we can assume if it is his sci-fi movie - it will be the biggest budget of his career......lots of ifs though ........and let's not forget DiCaprio gets linked to stuff that never happens because well, he's the biggest star on the planet......this rumor is just a rumor......
Theatrical Performance Domestic Box Office $17,318,007 International Box Office $15,582,499 Worldwide Box Office $32,900,506
|
|
|
Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 17, 2022 14:46:37 GMT
Just posted a picture of Poitier playing a doctor in 1950. Played a psychiatrist in 1962 also btw. Not disrespectful. At all. Moving on ......this is what Licorice Pizza made - so if this is PTA's "sci-fi" movie - whether it stars DiCap, or whomever - while his films don't flop - they do tend to have a ceiling (TWBB 76 Million WW) ......so maybe we can assume if it is his sci-fi movie - it will be the biggest budget of his career...... lots of ifs though ........and let's not forget DiCaprio gets linked to stuff that never happens because well, he's the biggest star on the planet......this rumor is just a rumor...... Theatrical Performance Domestic Box Office $17,318,007 International Box Office $15,582,499 Worldwide Box Office $32,900,506 Licorice Pizza starred two unknown leads, it was never going to make a ton of money.
|
|