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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 26, 2020 19:37:39 GMT
Reviews really did a nosedive with this movie in the last few days. It lost it's certified fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes,and is currently sitting on 67% on RT (it's still falling) and is 59 on Metacritic*.
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Post by Miles Morales on Dec 26, 2020 21:14:47 GMT
Reviews really did a nosedive with this movie in the last few days. It lost it's certified fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes,and is currently sitting on 67% on RT (it's still falling) and is 59 on Metacritic*.
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User reviews are also awful. 6.2 on IMDb, 2.9 on Letterboxd.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 26, 2020 21:53:22 GMT
Reviews really did a nosedive with this movie in the last few days. It lost it's certified fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes,and is currently sitting on 67% on RT (it's still falling) and is 59 on Metacritic*.
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User reviews are also awful. 6.2 on IMDb, 2.9 on Letterboxd. Movie is getting shredded on social media from what I can observe. Patty Jenkins was really smart to close that deal for the new Star Wars film before Wonder Woman 1984 dropped. So-so reviews are one thing, but when the fans turn on you in the Sci-fi/fantasy/Comic book movie space, you are usually in deep trouble. That Stars Wars fanbase is crazy as hell, and this reaction to her latest film will not have filled them with confidence that she's someone to take the Star Wars franchise forward on the big screen. Especially after how disappointing many found the new trilogy. Though honestly, the way Lucasfilm operates, I don't think Jenkins Star Wars gig is safe. They might decide to take these reactions into consideration and decide to move on from Jenkins due to "creative differences".
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Post by morton on Dec 26, 2020 23:02:48 GMT
User reviews are also awful. 6.2 on IMDb, 2.9 on Letterboxd. Movie is getting shredded on social media from what I can observe. Patty Jenkins was really smart to close that deal for the new Star Wars film before Wonder Woman 1984 dropped. So-so reviews are one thing, but when the fans turn on you in the Sci-fi/fantasy/Comic book movie space, you are usually in deep trouble. That Stars Wars fanbase is crazy as hell, and this reaction to her latest film will not have filled them with confidence that she's someone to take the Star Wars franchise forward on the big screen. Especially after how disappointing many found the new trilogy. Though honestly, the way Lucasfilm operates, I don't think Jenkins Star Wars gig is safe. They might decide to take these reactions into consideration and decide to move on from Jenkins due to "creative differences". Yeah there’s been so many SW rumors and cancellations from LF over the years that I’ve lost track on what’s actually going to happen or not. So I wouldn’t be surprised if next year, LF drops Jenkins. I think they’ll keep the project just because it seems safe and generic which seems to fit their mo after TLJ was too divisive for them. It feels similar to what happened with the GoT guys who got so much bad press after the finale that I think LF dropped their project, but let D and D save face by making it seem like they walked away and not that LF let them go.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 26, 2020 23:15:24 GMT
Movie is getting shredded on social media from what I can observe. Patty Jenkins was really smart to close that deal for the new Star Wars film before Wonder Woman 1984 dropped. So-so reviews are one thing, but when the fans turn on you in the Sci-fi/fantasy/Comic book movie space, you are usually in deep trouble. That Stars Wars fanbase is crazy as hell, and this reaction to her latest film will not have filled them with confidence that she's someone to take the Star Wars franchise forward on the big screen. Especially after how disappointing many found the new trilogy. Though honestly, the way Lucasfilm operates, I don't think Jenkins Star Wars gig is safe. They might decide to take these reactions into consideration and decide to move on from Jenkins due to "creative differences". Yeah there’s been so many SW rumors and cancellations from LF over the years that I’ve lost track on what’s actually going to happen or not. So I wouldn’t be surprised if next year, LF drops Jenkins. I think they’ll keep the project just because it seems safe and generic which seems to fit their mo after TLJ was too divisive for them. It feels similar to what happened with the GoT guys who got so much bad press after the finale that I think LF dropped their project, but let D and D save face by making it seem like they walked away and not that LF let them go. I think what makes Lucasfilm dumping Jenkins a bit more up in the air than D & D from Games Of Thrones was that it was considered a big PR victory for Lucasfilm to finally announce a female director for Star Wars. There has been criticism for awhile that no woman has seriously been considered to direct a Star Wars film, even with Kathleen Kennedy in charge of the property. So when they got her, Jenkins probably looked perfect from that PR perspective and the fact that she'd directed a well recieved blockbuster in the first Wonder Woman. But for a lot of fans, you are as good as the last thing you did, so Jenkins is suddenly looking like D& D after the final season of Game Of Thrones. My guess is either they stick with her and hope for the best and ignore the backlash over Wonder Woman 1984, because the optics of dumping the first female director of a Star Wars feature film aren't great. Or if they do dump her, they line up another female director to replace her ( Chloe Zhao, Nia DaCosta...someone like that).
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Post by morton on Dec 27, 2020 0:05:29 GMT
Yeah there’s been so many SW rumors and cancellations from LF over the years that I’ve lost track on what’s actually going to happen or not. So I wouldn’t be surprised if next year, LF drops Jenkins. I think they’ll keep the project just because it seems safe and generic which seems to fit their mo after TLJ was too divisive for them. It feels similar to what happened with the GoT guys who got so much bad press after the finale that I think LF dropped their project, but let D and D save face by making it seem like they walked away and not that LF let them go. I think what makes Lucasfilm dumping Jenkins a bit more up in the air than D & D from Games Of Thrones was that it was considered a big PR victory for Lucasfilm to finally announce a female director for Star Wars. There has been criticism for awhile that no woman has seriously been considered to direct a Star Wars film, even with Kathleen Kennedy in charge of the property. So when they got her, Jenkins probably looked perfect from that PR perspective and the fact that she'd directed a well recieved blockbuster in the first Wonder Woman. But for a lot of fans, you are as good as the last thing you did, so Jenkins is suddenly looking like D& D after the final season of Game Of Thrones. My guess is either they stick with her and hope for the best and ignore the backlash over Wonder Woman 1984, because the optics of dumping the first female director of a Star Wars feature film aren't great. Or if they do dump her, they line up another female director to replace her ( Chloe Zhao, Nia DaCosta...someone like that). True that’s why I think they’ll wait awhile, and then try to keep the news as quiet as possible with Jenkins being allowed to save face by saying that something else is taking too much time like the Cleopatra project or something else. I also agree that they’ll replace her with another female director if she is replaced. I know she’s not as big of name, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they went with Deborah Chow since she’s already proven herself with The Mandalorian.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Dec 27, 2020 0:57:33 GMT
Reviews really did a nosedive with this movie in the last few days. It lost it's certified fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes,and is currently sitting on 67% on RT (it's still falling) and is 59 on Metacritic*.
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I had no idea how the percentage had fallen that much, YIKES!!! I haven't checked out RT in a while, mostly because I find it's better for my blood pressure, and I enjoyed a lot of aspects about WW 1984, but I can understand why people thought it was a mess. Still though, it looks like Jenkins and co in general kinda dropped the ball. I genuinely do wonder what they're going to do with the third film now.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Dec 27, 2020 2:48:53 GMT
User reviews are also awful. 6.2 on IMDb, 2.9 on Letterboxd. Movie is getting shredded on social media from what I can observe. Patty Jenkins was really smart to close that deal for the new Star Wars film before Wonder Woman 1984 dropped. So-so reviews are one thing, but when the fans turn on you in the Sci-fi/fantasy/Comic book movie space, you are usually in deep trouble. That Stars Wars fanbase is crazy as hell, and this reaction to her latest film will not have filled them with confidence that she's someone to take the Star Wars franchise forward on the big screen. Especially after how disappointing many found the new trilogy. Though honestly, the way Lucasfilm operates, I don't think Jenkins Star Wars gig is safe. They might decide to take these reactions into consideration and decide to move on from Jenkins due to "creative differences". Just goes to show how hard it is to make these comic book movies. One thing to catch lightning in a bottle once, but to do it multiple times like Chris Nolan with The Dark Knight Trilogy, The Russo Bros, Sam Raimi (Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2) it’s very hard. Haven’t seen the film yet but sounds like Jenkins couldn’t repeat the success of the first one. Makes me curious to see how Waititi and Coogler will do with their respective follow-ups for Thor and Black Panther..although Coogler will have a heavier burden for obvious reasons.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 27, 2020 3:45:32 GMT
Reviews really did a nosedive with this movie in the last few days. It lost it's certified fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes,and is currently sitting on 67% on RT (it's still falling) and is 59 on Metacritic*.
*Laughs In Kevin Feige
I had no idea how the percentage had fallen that much, YIKES!!! I haven't checked out RT in a while, mostly because I find it's better for my blood pressure, and I enjoyed a lot of aspects about WW 1984, but I can understand why people thought it was a mess. Still though, it looks like Jenkins and co in general kinda dropped the ball. I genuinely do wonder what they're going to do with the third film now. That’s assuming there will be a 3rd film. Jenkins and Gadot have big been non-commital.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Dec 27, 2020 6:32:45 GMT
I had no idea how the percentage had fallen that much, YIKES!!! I haven't checked out RT in a while, mostly because I find it's better for my blood pressure, and I enjoyed a lot of aspects about WW 1984, but I can understand why people thought it was a mess. Still though, it looks like Jenkins and co in general kinda dropped the ball. I genuinely do wonder what they're going to do with the third film now. That’s assuming there will be a 3rd film. Jenkins and Gadot have big been non-commital. Gadot has signaled that she potentially won't do a third film if Jenkins isn’t involved, which could be a problem for WB, unless they can work out some kind of salary deal.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 27, 2020 13:01:06 GMT
That’s assuming there will be a 3rd film. Jenkins and Gadot have big been non-commital. Gadot has signaled that she potentially won't do a third film if Jenkins isn’t involved, which could be a problem for WB, unless they can work out some kind of salary deal. Yeah, both of them need to realise the grass isn't neccesarily greener, because I don't think after the reception this film has gotten, that they are the shit-hot indispensible actor/director team that they think they are. I think a lot of fans wouldn't mind if Jenkins moved onto pastures new and someone else got a shot at directing Wonder Woman. And while Gadot would be a bigger loss because she is now the face of the character to the public, Wonder Woman is an iconic character that can easily be recast and rebooted. And I'm pretty sure they can find a stronger actress than Gadot if they do reboot (it would also be very easy to introduce a new/alternate Wonder Woman through Flashpoint).Ultimately, I think Gadot would end up recommiting to the role without Jenkins. This role is a gift to her and the foundation of her stardom. Without it, she can fade very quickly as she is such a limited actress. Also, these two doing Cleopatra together feels like a horrible idea, that will probably get scrapped.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 27, 2020 15:12:25 GMT
Damn, you know the reactions are rough for this movie when Grace Randolph is trying to drum up positive support for it on Twitter and is finding few takers.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Dec 27, 2020 16:07:01 GMT
Gadot has signaled that she potentially won't do a third film if Jenkins isn’t involved, which could be a problem for WB, unless they can work out some kind of salary deal. Yeah, both of them need to realise the grass isn't neccesarily greener, because I don't think after the reception this film has gotten, that they are the shit-hot indispensible actor/director team that they think they are. I think a lot of fans wouldn't mind if Jenkins moved onto pastures new and someone else got a shot at directing Wonder Woman. And while Gadot would be a bigger loss because she is now the face of the character to the public, Wonder Woman is an iconic character that can easily be recast and rebooted. And I'm pretty sure they can find a stronger actress than Gadot if they do reboot (it would also be very easy to introduce a new/alternate Wonder Woman through Flashpoint).Ultimately, I think Gadot would end up recommiting to the role without Jenkins. This role is a gift to her and the foundation of her stardom. Without it, she can fade very quickly as she is such a limited actress. Also, these two doing Cleopatra together feels like a horrible idea, that will probably get scrapped. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Gadot eventually agrees to come back, with or without Jenkins. Most actors can easily be convinced as long as the check has been cleared. As for Cleopatra, I'd have to imagine it's more likely it falls back in development hell then actually gets made, especially given how it's been about a decade since they announced they were doing the movie, and it still hasn't gotten made.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 27, 2020 18:27:42 GMT
LOL! Looks like Patty and Gal have very quickly realised they are in no position to play hard to get and hold out. Personally, I think they at the very least need a change of director (and I personally don't care much for Gadot in the role, especially after 1984, where her dramatic limitations were much more starkly exposed than in the first film. But I can understand she'd be harder to get rid of). But if they are going to be back, they need a complete re-evaluation of the character and approach, because 1984 was a big miss for many (and myself). They'll probably try to recapture the tone of the first film, and focus more on Diana as a warrior (Gadot is fine in fight scenes. It's a mistake to ask her to do much emoting).
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 30, 2020 11:59:12 GMT
Wonder Woman 1984 is still dropping and now on 62% on Rotten Tomatoes, and is on the verge of potentially getting a rotten score (59% or below).
Has this ever happened before? A film going from certified fresh to rotten? Not sure, but it shows what an incredible job Warner Brothers did to control/manipulate the narrative around reviews early on for the film (and that premature certified fresh score to boost positive hype around the film), before word about the film got toxic.
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Post by Pavan on Dec 30, 2020 14:12:38 GMT
Wonder Woman 1984 is still dropping and now on 62% on Rotten Tomatoes, and is on the verge of potentially getting a rotten score ( 59% or below). Has this ever happened before? A film going from certified fresh to rotten? Not sure, but it shows what an incredible job Warner Brothers did to control/manipulate the narrative around reviews early on for the film (and that premature certified fresh score to boost positive hype around the film), before word about the film got toxic. Its IMDb rating (5.6/10) is even worse. Lowest among the DC universe films.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 9, 2021 0:46:16 GMT
Officially now Rotten on Rotten Tomatoes at 59%.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Jan 9, 2021 4:22:34 GMT
Officially now Rotten on Rotten Tomatoes at 59%.
I WISH this movie could’ve been better.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jan 9, 2021 14:55:12 GMT
Rotten to the core, actually!!!
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Post by morton on Jan 11, 2021 14:46:25 GMT
Sorry this isn't really related to Wonder Woman, but I didn't want to start a new thread for it.
I thought this movie looked dreadful in 2019 when I saw the trailer, so I'm not surprised. I'm just surprised they held onto it for that long. Although now I feel like they were waiting to just dump it which makes sense.
I feel like Wiig's really been floundering; although, as a character actress she'll always find work so I'm not really worried. On paper I can see why she made the choices she did, but then a lot of them didn't really pan out as expected. I feel somewhat bad just because I do like her to a degree especially her voice over work, but then again seeing her on SNL last month reminded me of how I can have a low tolerance for her and some of her characters and bits.
IMDb still says Toni Erdmann is happening, so I guess it is, but I don't know even with Lisa Cholodenko involved, I feel like it's going to be another project that looked good on paper, but didn't quite pan out as Wiig had probably hoped.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jan 11, 2021 15:29:03 GMT
Sorry this isn't really related to Wonder Woman, but I didn't want to start a new thread for it. I thought this movie looked dreadful in 2019 when I saw the trailer, so I'm not surprised. I'm just surprised they held onto it for that long. Although now I feel like they were waiting to just dump it which makes sense. I feel like Wiig's really been floundering; although, as a character actress she'll always find work so I'm not really worried. On paper I can see why she made the choices she did, but then a lot of them didn't really pan out as expected. I feel somewhat bad just because I do like her to a degree especially her voice over work, but then again seeing her on SNL last month reminded me of how I can have a low tolerance for her and some of her characters and bits. IMDb still says Toni Erdmann is happening, so I guess it is, but I don't know even with Lisa Cholodenko involved, I feel like it's going to be another project that looked good on paper, but didn't quite pan out as Wiig had probably hoped. There isn't a Barb and Star page and I'd be surprised if anyone wants to make one, so I can understand why you put it here. Kristen Wiig's career is very indie minded in a lot of ways. She's intentionally picked a lot of stranger and or off-beat movies post Bridesmaids's huge success, with Ghostbusters and Wonder Woman 1984 being her few turns back to more audience friendly stuff, discounting voice-work. Some of those smaller movies worked, many more of them didn't. Barb was clearly meant to be another straightforward silly comedy maybe even quirkier sounding then Bridesmaids, and if it turns out to be another dud for her, that would be quite a shame. I wouldn't take the February release date as bad though, a lot of movies are getting shuffled around now because of the pandemic, it isn't great news however.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Jan 11, 2021 15:41:25 GMT
IMDb still says Toni Erdmann is happening, so I guess it is, but I don't know even with Lisa Cholodenko involved, I feel like it's going to be another project that looked good on paper, but didn't quite pan out as Wiig had probably hoped wished. Fixed it for you Morton!
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 11, 2021 16:30:32 GMT
Sorry this isn't really related to Wonder Woman, but I didn't want to start a new thread for it. I thought this movie looked dreadful in 2019 when I saw the trailer, so I'm not surprised. I'm just surprised they held onto it for that long. Although now I feel like they were waiting to just dump it which makes sense. I feel like Wiig's really been floundering; although, as a character actress she'll always find work so I'm not really worried. On paper I can see why she made the choices she did, but then a lot of them didn't really pan out as expected. I feel somewhat bad just because I do like her to a degree especially her voice over work, but then again seeing her on SNL last month reminded me of how I can have a low tolerance for her and some of her characters and bits. IMDb still says Toni Erdmann is happening, so I guess it is, but I don't know even with Lisa Cholodenko involved, I feel like it's going to be another project that looked good on paper, but didn't quite pan out as Wiig had probably hoped./ I recall thinking this looked like it’d be pretty funny. Plus, it was written by Wiig and Mumolo so I have a little extra faith in it. I guess this will be a litmus test on how influential Apatow and Feig were to Bridesmaids.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Dec 8, 2022 3:57:30 GMT
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 8, 2022 4:49:49 GMT
meanwhile, Taika Waititi gets shit like this greenlit at Marvel.
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