matheusf
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Post by matheusf on Sept 9, 2018 3:13:47 GMT
What were the placements for Chantal Akerman, Agnès Varda and Chris Marker?
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Post by idioticbunny on Sept 9, 2018 4:28:02 GMT
I'm so happy that I was (hopefully/probably) the vote that pushed Friedkin to that #50 spot. Underrated genius. Maybe just not talked about as much because he hasn't had as many adored classics under his belt, but few understand how to blend dark with entertainment so well.
Also, love the Lumet placement though I wish he was higher (especially over Spielberg who I feel has gone off the rails since the mid-2000s). Especially happy I was the #2 on that ballot.
Surprised Hitchcock isn't top three AT LEAST. Didn't think Bergman would place so highly, but I'm only just starting to get into his filmography so we'll see how he ranks when all is said and done. Kubrick at #1 was totally expected, though.
Also surprised Wes Anderson wasn't higher (I prefer him out of the two Andersons anyway), and especially surprised Tarantino wasn't like top ten. But that's a much better placement for him. I think his skills lie in his writing, though he is a decent director too.
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Post by countjohn on Sept 9, 2018 5:20:37 GMT
Orson Welles is way too low at #15. C'mon guys. Surprised Spielberg wasn't top five. Can't argue with Kubes at no. 1.
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 9, 2018 5:39:43 GMT
Doesn't Bergman do always the same kind of movies?
I mean, he lacks range.
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Post by countjohn on Sept 9, 2018 5:43:32 GMT
For cool CountJohn trivia I was the highest voter for Welles (no. 2), Wes Anderson (no. 7) and I guess Kubrick since I had him no. 1.
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Post by Film Socialism on Sept 9, 2018 6:28:42 GMT
Doesn't Bergman do always the same kind of movies? I mean, he lacks range. idk if i would say he always does the same kind, but a lot of his filmo is samey. he's like the art house tarantino to me |
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Post by Film Socialism on Sept 9, 2018 6:30:57 GMT
getting passionate over the coens and woody allen is such an abstract concept to me, no idea how these directors inspire passion in people
anywho abel ferrara better get top 10 next time
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Post by pendragon on Sept 9, 2018 6:48:36 GMT
Doesn't Bergman do always the same kind of movies? I mean, he lacks range. Try Smiles of a Summer Night, a straight-up comedy that's very good and very funny. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 9, 2018 9:05:08 GMT
Doesn't Bergman do always the same kind of movies? I mean, he lacks range. I'd say that's the wrong way to look at him. In an astonishing 36 month period 66-69 he wrote (crucially) and directed Persona, Shame, Hour of the Wolf, and (the more minor but still) The Rite in a row. Fans of his previous work must have thought he had lost his mind (and wrongly his talent too) - when did he get so overtly sexual, decide to make a surreal horror film, a war film, a chamber piece and more or less abandon clear and coherent plots in 3 of these (at least). Couldn't he have just made Winter Light again please? There's range over the course of his filmography - but sometimes we don't see it because the whole filmography is there as a huge impenetrable mass, its overwhelming really. |
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Post by Pavan on Sept 9, 2018 9:45:15 GMT
8 people voted for Billy Wilder who didn't vote for Polanski at all and Wilder got a 6th place vote as his high and Polanski got 4 number 1's. Yikes, this is nuts! That's me. I'm also the one who placed Malick at 5  |
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Sept 9, 2018 9:51:40 GMT
Any idea what the next "all-time" list might be? Thinking it over, screenplays seems an obvious one, but I think I'll throw a few options up in a poll and let people choose. Anyway, the next all-time poll is Best Westerns via Viced and best Music Artist via Joaquim, so I'll take brief break  . |
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Sept 9, 2018 9:54:30 GMT
Where were Edgar Wright and Paul Greengrass? Tied 78th with Bertolucci, Pasolini and Yang GreengrassTied 108th with Sirk, Maddin and Kon |
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Post by Pavan on Sept 9, 2018 9:58:25 GMT
David Lean should've been higher. Malick would be much higher if this list was made right after The Tree of Life. Glad Lumet made it to 14. Woody Allen is a bit high. PTA is way too high. The Coens are a bit high. David Lynch is a bit high.
Hitchcock should be in top 3 at least. Glad Bergman made it to 2.
Sad that Satyajit Ray didn't make it but i guess many people are yet to watch his work. No Wong Kar Wai too?
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Sept 9, 2018 9:58:50 GMT
Pretty great list. Satyajit Ray is probably the one "unforgivable" omission. Not just one of the greatest directors but a superior artist all around. He finished in 70th place on his own. If I'm remembering correctly be may have been in the Top 50 back in the earlier days of the voting. He only made two ballots, one was a 1st and the other a decent mid table rank. |
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Sept 9, 2018 10:04:29 GMT
What were the placements for Chantal Akerman, Agnès Varda and Chris Marker? Tied 96th with Bong Joon-ho, Milos Forman, Pedro Almodóvar, Zhang Yimou Agnès VardaTied 128th with Jacques Tourneur , Peter Watkins, Reka Bucsi, Sam Mendes Chris MarkerTied 59th with Frank Capra (Marker only made 3 ballots, he had a 1st, a 5th and a 25th. He was still 10 point off 50th though.) |
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Sept 9, 2018 10:13:12 GMT
David Lean should've been higher. Malick would be much higher if this list was made right after The Tree of Life. Glad Lumet made it to 14. Woody Allen is a bit high. PTA is way too high. The Coens are a bit high. David Lynch is a bit high. Hitchcock should be in top 3 at least. Glad Bergman made it to 2. Sad that Satyajit Ray didn't make it but i guess many people are yet to watch his work. No Wong Kar Wai too? Lean peaked at #7, but that was way back in the early days. He steadied out pretty quickly into the 20ish region. Malick probably would have breezed into the Top 10 if it was post Tree of Life, but pre To the Wonder. Hitchcock never made the Top 3. He, Lynch and The Coen's battled it out for 4th - 6th place for most of the voting. Wong Kar Wai finish Tied 65th with Eric Rohmer, Fritz Lang and James Ivory. |
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Sept 9, 2018 10:26:44 GMT
Top 20 (Based on Ballot Appearances)
01 Alfred Hitchcock 26
02 Joel & Ethan Coen 25
XX Martin Scorsese 25
04 Ingmar Bergman 24
05 Stanley Kubrick 23
06 Francis Ford Coppola 22
07 David Lynch 21
08 Paul Thomas Anderson 19
09 Billy Wilder 18
XX Steven Spielberg 18
11 Akira Kurosawa 17
12 Sidney Lumet 16
13 Sergio Leone 15
14 Orson Welles 14
XX Robert Altman 14
XX Woody Allen 14
17 Andrei Tarkovsky 13
18 Christopher Nolan 12
XX David Lean 12
XX Federico Fellini 12
It starts to get so ridiculous with ties after this that its barely mentioning.
For your comparative convenience...
The Actual Top 20
01 Stanley Kubrick
02 Ingmar Bergman
03 Martin Scorsese
04 Alfred Hitchcock
05 David Lynch
06 Joel & Ethan Coen
07 Francis Ford Coppola
08 Steven Spielberg
09 Akira Kurosawa
10 Paul Thomas Anderson
11 Billy Wilder
12 Woody Allen
13 Andrei Tarkovsky
14 Sidney Lumet
15 Orson Welles
16 Robert Altman
17 Sergio Leone
18 Federico Fellini
19 Roman Polanski
20 David Lean
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Post by jimmalone on Sept 9, 2018 12:46:51 GMT
8 people voted for Billy Wilder who didn't vote for Polanski at all and Wilder got a 6th place vote as his high and Polanski got 4 number 1's. Yikes, this is nuts! That's me. I'm also the one who placed Malick at 5 Then there's some wrong info at the text concerning Wilder, cause I placed Wilder as 6th as well. So he should have at least been 6th on two ballots. |
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Sept 9, 2018 13:50:48 GMT
That's me. I'm also the one who placed Malick at 5 Then there's some wrong info at the text concerning Wilder, cause I placed Wilder as 6th as well. So he should have at least been 6th on two ballots. I checked in case I made a mistake. We're good, you placed him 6 and Pavan had him 8. |
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Post by Martin Stett on Sept 10, 2018 11:29:53 GMT
You know, I always assume that people place Masaki Kobayashi as one of the greats, and then it turns out to be just me. Even the Letterboxd list doesn't include him, despite Harakiri and The Human Condition making their top 250.
Did he place on any other ballots aside from my own?
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Sept 10, 2018 11:40:43 GMT
You know, I always assume that people place Masaki Kobayashi as one of the greats, and then it turns out to be just me. Even the Letterboxd list doesn't include him, despite Harakiri and The Human Condition making their top 250. Did he place on any other ballots aside from my own? He finished in 54th place, on 4 ballots, only 4 points off of a tie for 50th. If ya'll had just put him one spot higher each... |
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Sept 10, 2018 11:43:44 GMT
I was really surprised at the low placings for Tarantino and Fincher and this other list is more in line with what my pre-vote expectation would have been, as I would have thought 10th - 15th for both of them.
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Post by Pavan on Sept 10, 2018 16:19:20 GMT
You know, I always assume that people place Masaki Kobayashi as one of the greats, and then it turns out to be just me. Even the Letterboxd list doesn't include him, despite Harakiri and The Human Condition making their top 250. Did he place on any other ballots aside from my own? What list? can you please post it here? |
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Post by Martin Stett on Sept 10, 2018 18:19:40 GMT
You know, I always assume that people place Masaki Kobayashi as one of the greats, and then it turns out to be just me. Even the Letterboxd list doesn't include him, despite Harakiri and The Human Condition making their top 250. Did he place on any other ballots aside from my own? What list? can you please post it here? Look up a few posts. |
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