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Post by thomasjerome on Jul 3, 2018 22:57:23 GMT
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Post by stephen on Jul 3, 2018 23:01:57 GMT
Not gonna lie, that's kind of a badass response, even if I think she's gonna catch even more flak for it. But then again, we're just now in an era where trans performers are allowed to be more mainstream, so it's still a bit tone-deaf to say something like that.
Here's the thing: you'd think that Johansson's people would be making sure that any role she takes isn't going to cause any more strife after the last controversy.
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Post by Zeb31 on Jul 3, 2018 23:03:17 GMT
I'm sure that response is gonna go over very well.
Yes, because citing Jeffrey Tambor and Jared Leto in her defense in the current Hollywood climate is a very tactful, reasonable way out of this backlash. Scarjo sweetie what are you doing.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jul 3, 2018 23:13:29 GMT
Fantastic response, fuck the standard bs publicist statements.
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Post by bob-coppola on Jul 4, 2018 3:25:13 GMT
So far, she's played japanese, a flash-drive, an iPhone, a transgender, an alien, a dog, a snake, a russian, Sofia Coppola and a jewish. She can play all minorities, so in the next few days, you'll see JK Rowling tweeting that at least one student in Hogwarts was Scarlett Johansson.
Her team's response was tone-deaf but also pretty badass.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jul 4, 2018 3:44:23 GMT
I'm sure that response is gonna go over very well. Yes, because citing Jeffrey Tambor and Jared Leto in her defense in the current Hollywood climate is a very tactful, reasonable way out of this backlash. Scarjo sweetie what are you doing. The backlash is nonsensical to begin with. WTF should she care about the "current Hollywood climate" if that climate is clouded in irrational SJW-addled McCarthyism! A "climate" where a stand-up guy like Matt Damon gets crucified for making literally the most reasonable and what SHOULD HAVE been the least controversial statement ever is a dangerously disingenuous climate that no movie star should bow down to...period. 💯
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Post by jakesully on Jul 4, 2018 3:45:49 GMT
Digging the title of the film & I dug ScarJo's response too
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jul 4, 2018 4:55:01 GMT
On one hand, I kinda admire her bluntness (at least a “Fuck you, don’t wanna” is more honest than someone disingenuously making excuses), but... oh. That’s still messed up.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jul 4, 2018 5:55:51 GMT
in what world are yall living in where "other people did (questionable thing) so i can too" is a badass response
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 4, 2018 6:58:46 GMT
Could they have sought out a lesser known talented trans-performer for the part? Yes, and that would have been nice. Do I mind that they hired Johansson instead? Not really. Will she be as good as Hilary Swank? Doubt it.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jul 4, 2018 7:16:44 GMT
in what world are yall living in where "other people did (questionable thing) so i can too" is a badass response SJW alert! Who the F says it was a questionable thing in the 1st place??
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jul 4, 2018 8:17:57 GMT
What a bunch of BS ! This is absolutely ridiculous ! Aren't actors allowed t o ACT anymore? So if she got a role playing a concentration camps survivor, she shouldn't play that role because she is not, in fact, a concentration camps survivor , right ?
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Post by wattsnew on Jul 4, 2018 9:29:35 GMT
In what way was her disgusting response "badass"? Jesus, this thread is toxic.
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Post by thomasjerome on Jul 4, 2018 16:17:00 GMT
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Post by Martin Stett on Jul 4, 2018 17:28:22 GMT
So far, she's played japanese, a flash-drive, an iPhone, a transgender, an alien, a dog, a snake, a russian, Sofia Coppola and a jewish. She can play all minorities, so in the next few days, you'll see JK Rowling tweeting that at least one student in Hogwarts was Scarlett Johansson. Her team's response was tone-deaf but also pretty badass. I feel so out of the loop with this decade and this joke..... but when did she play Sofia Coppola? People often consider her character in Lost in Translation be an author avatar. *shrug*
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Post by chris3 on Jul 5, 2018 2:17:40 GMT
OK, so ignoring the moral debate about "should trans actors play trans characters" thing for a second, let me just say that ScarJo is an absolute moron for courting all this controversy all over again with the same director. And her rep's response is utterly idiotic. This movie now has NO CHANCE of becoming her Oscar role (which I think we can all assume is a motivating factor), as the vast majority of critics and bloggers will have their knives out for it. Also, I might feel differently if ScarJo wasn't involved in progressive activism, but she's been all over the zeitgeisty stuff (telling James Franco she wants her pin back, etc), so it makes her look like a complete hypocrite acting all woke only to repeat her Ghost In The Shell controversy. She's probably the most attractive woman in Hollywood and has the potential to be a good actress (she was fantastic in Under The Skin, Lost In Translation, and Her yet has been terrible in many others), but in interviews she always came across as... kind of dumb.
As for the "should trans actors play trans characters from now on" thing, I guess I'm not the best person to ask since I'm a straight white male with no trans friends or family members. But yeah, I guess they should, if anything just to give trans actors more acting opportunities. I absolutely loved Tangerine and I think the fact that it used real trans actors added a sense of authenticity to it. The two leads were superb.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jul 5, 2018 2:21:06 GMT
"I played the Don of the Corleone family." "I was in Goodfellas, Mean Streets, Casino, and a bunch of others." "...I'm gonna be the rub and tug Donna."
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jul 5, 2018 6:02:43 GMT
Of all the people in the world to call an “SJW”. That’s reachin’.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jul 5, 2018 6:04:49 GMT
in what world are yall living in where "other people did (questionable thing) so i can too" is a badass response I certainly don’t think it is. I get the message of “why are you on me for what other people did”, and at least being blunt about is better than making some BS excuse, but “They did it, so why can’t I” is still *such* a messed up scapegoat.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 5, 2018 10:40:38 GMT
can we take a step back and acknowledge the real outrage of this situation: Rupert Sanders is directing. anyways, i know people are pressed about this now but trust me, this thing is going to be forgotten the minute it drops. Everything about this project spells failure.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jul 5, 2018 10:46:00 GMT
As for the "should trans actors play trans characters from now on" thing, I guess I'm not the best person to ask since I'm a straight white male with no trans friends or family members. Don't be so self pitying. You can have a fucking opinion for godssake.
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Post by Zeb31 on Jul 5, 2018 11:48:44 GMT
I'm sure that response is gonna go over very well. Yes, because citing Jeffrey Tambor and Jared Leto in her defense in the current Hollywood climate is a very tactful, reasonable way out of this backlash. Scarjo sweetie what are you doing. The backlash is nonsensical to begin with. WTF should she care about the "current Hollywood climate" if that climate is clouded in irrational SJW-addled McCarthyism! A "climate" where a stand-up guy like Matt Damon gets crucified for making literally the most reasonable and what SHOULD HAVE been the least controversial statement ever is a dangerously disingenuous climate that no movie star should bow down to...period. 💯 Yes, we all know how you feel about this. You can disagree with it all you want, it's still a completely tone deaf response that's already ensured that this gets bad buzz before it even starts filming. Not a smart move to shoot yourself and your pet project in the foot like that.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 5, 2018 12:24:46 GMT
The backlash is nonsensical to begin with. WTF should she care about the "current Hollywood climate" if that climate is clouded in irrational SJW-addled McCarthyism! A "climate" where a stand-up guy like Matt Damon gets crucified for making literally the most reasonable and what SHOULD HAVE been the least controversial statement ever is a dangerously disingenuous climate that no movie star should bow down to...period. 💯 Yes, we all know how you feel about this. You can disagree with it all you want, it's still a completely tone deaf response that's already ensured that this gets bad buzz before it even starts filming. Not a smart move to shoot yourself and your pet project in the foot like that. Absolutely. If I was the producer or the studio behind this project (y'know, the people putting money into the film and whose jobs are at risk if it flops), I'd be absolutely fucking livid at Johansson's response. Has she learned nothing from Ghost In A Shell? With the same director, no less. Once a project starts with awful PR, it's hard to recover goodwill. Cheering Johansson for not kowtowing to 'SJWs' is silly, because these opinions have real influence in how the media treat a production. Look at the shitshow that was Ridley Scott's Exodus, and that never recovered. All Johansson did with this response is ensure that the film will face terrible press and social media coverage up till it's release. Some people here would not survive 5 minutes in the movie business. Johansson fucked up, and the movie's backers will be shitting themselves now.
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Post by Zeb31 on Jul 5, 2018 12:29:32 GMT
in what world are yall living in where "other people did (questionable thing) so i can too" is a badass response I certainly don’t think it is. I get the message of “why are you on me for what other people did”, and at least being blunt about is better than making some BS excuse, but “They did it, so why can’t I” is still *such* a messed up scapegoat. It's such a bullshit non-response. It's a clear "don't give a fuck, lick my balls" middle-finger of a statement that looks gutsy at first sight because they're not bothering to disguise how little they care, but it doesn't address the issue in any way nor does it say anything substantial to counter the criticism. They don't offer an intelligent critique/rebuttal to the backlash they ought to have known they were gonna get, they just point out comparisons of varying relevance and expect the bluntness to do the trick. It's stupid. It's not only a terrible PR move for a film that's most likely not gonna be anywhere near good enough to overcome it, it's a total fuck you to a completely valid objection. They bring up an actress who played trans 13 years ago, when awareness about trans issues was a far cry from what it is now (and who at least is the same gender as the character she was playing then, for fuck's sake), an actor who won't even get to stick around until the end of his show due to ALLEGED serial sexual harrassment (again, is this the best you can come up with in your defense, guys?), and Jared Leto, whose character's identity I'm not 100% certain about after all these years since the film came out but who's referred to in the script as a male-identifying crossdresser, which doesn't seem to be the case here. Not that any of that matters, because like Cat said, "other people did it so why can't I" is not a defense. Representation is important, and to deny a trans actor this visibility out of stubbornness and ego keeps talented performers (who'd probably do a better, more convincing job at it than Johansson, and this is coming from someone who generally likes her a lot) from getting this exposure. All the prominent trans performers are female; this could've helped change that. What's worse is that there's a prominent cis female role right there for Johansson to play, the wife. You know, the relationship that's supposedly the film's "emotional core". If she wanted to play a substantial part in a project she's passionate about without rehashing the white-washing controversy from last year and without denying other performers visibility, she could. But she's being badass instead. I'm sure whoever's funding this isn't very happy right now.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jul 5, 2018 13:55:25 GMT
“but it doesn't address the issue in any way nor does it say anything substantial to counter the criticism.”
Why should they have to?
“It's not only a terrible PR move for a film that's most likely not gonna be anywhere near good enough to overcome it, it's a total fuck you to a completely valid objection.”
Why is it valid? Where do you draw the line? It’s fucking acting for Christ’s sake. Can only a veteran play a veteran? Can only a blind person play a blind person? Can only an ex-con play an ex-con?
“ I'm sure whoever's funding this isn't very happy right now.”
I’m sure they probably don’t really care because this will have little effect on the success or failure of this film with the general public.
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