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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 3, 2022 18:14:52 GMT
will definitely be watching these battleground states really closely in November. Are FL women going to put up with an abortion ban? Michigan, Wisconsin and Arizona will be important to watch too. Dems can't let this slide. They need to hammer this message that GOP is trying to police women's bodies.
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Post by hugobolso on May 3, 2022 18:28:47 GMT
will definitely be watching these battleground states really closely in November. Are FL women going to put up with an abortion ban? Michigan, Wisconsin and Arizona will be important to watch too. Dems can't let this slide. They need to hammer this message that GOP is trying to police women's bodies. I thought having good job, and education for them and their children is the main deal to vote for one party or the other.-
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 3, 2022 18:32:14 GMT
will definitely be watching these battleground states really closely in November. Are FL women going to put up with an abortion ban? Michigan, Wisconsin and Arizona will be important to watch too. Dems can't let this slide. They need to hammer this message that GOP is trying to police women's bodies. I thought having good job, and education for them and their children is the main deal to vote for one party or the other.- GOP doesn't give them that either. Red states have been slashing budgets for healthcare and education.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 3, 2022 18:32:27 GMT
Well, obviously (to me) the person who leaked that - and it was quite an overt act of "leaking" not a "mistake or something overheard" is either a law clerk - or (God Forbid) a sitting member OF the Court .......Now you can argue what "fully accountable" means .......and let's assume - for the sake of our collective sanity that it was JUST a law clerk but the act itself is insane, an aggressive act of self-delusion - the Court is - and needs to be - above the leak but the leak itself is obscene ......the Court is a 3rd branch of power - it is expressly governed by Law not by poiitical concerns or our "democracy" at all......it's an extension of our unbiased Constitutional Republic - the leak is a subversion of their Judicial Power...... So what you're saying is that the Supreme Court, our own public servants, have a "right to privacy" so to speak. Well, I'm not saying that exactly ........but somewhat .......and I do appreciate the wit in that statement. Of course you could say that "right to privacy" is more in the SCOTUS institutional working body than it is in the Constitution (bad joke).......... the irony here is not new however - it's The Story of Women (Chabrol, 1988) situation - which differentiates between the killing of someone (arguable, in this case) vs. the killing of a government policy. In the (great) movie.......well you know how that all turned out.......and in the US: John Roberts is going to find who leaked it, and if he chooses - and how can he not? - is going to funnel it through the DOJ or FBI for a (possible) jail sentence and some confused idealogue who arbitrarily decided that "public servants" must only mean "people who should always agree with me!" will hopefully have plenty of time to ponder the law.............and The Law.........
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Post by Martin Stett on May 3, 2022 18:33:08 GMT
will definitely be watching these battleground states really closely in November. Are FL women going to put up with an abortion ban? Michigan, Wisconsin and Arizona will be important to watch too. Dems can't let this slide. They need to hammer this message that GOP is trying to police women's bodies. I thought having good job, and education for them and their children is the main deal to vote for one party or the other.-
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Post by hugobolso on May 3, 2022 18:41:47 GMT
I thought having good job, and education for them and their children is the main deal to vote for one party or the other.- GOP doesn't give them that either. Red states have been slashing budgets for healthcare and education. So this is why people should vote for better schools, health, jobs, houses.- I guess there are priorities living in a house or in a Van (unless you love to live there) or under a bridge, I guess is more important than have (or not) the right to choose.-
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Post by Brother Fease on May 3, 2022 21:07:37 GMT
Even Jane Roe (Norma McCorvey) was against it.
So clearly I'm against that stupid law, based in lies, and an reinterpretation of a C XVIII Amendment, based on the Middle Age Common Law.- Million of unborn child were eliminated. Maybe more victims than the WWI and WWII combined. She was paid to be pro-life.
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Post by cheesecake on May 3, 2022 22:22:34 GMT
I'm so tired of this fucking shit.
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Post by Allenism on May 3, 2022 22:59:02 GMT
This isn't just about abortion anymore. This is a 14th Amendment issue, meaning that this draft is a tee-up for SCOTUS to repeal rights concerning contraception, gay marriage, interracial marriage, etc.
I weep for this country.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 1:14:21 GMT
I really enjoyed this conversation with Neal Katyal, former clerk to Justice Breyer. He says he is 100% certain that the American people will not allow this to stand.
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Post by hugobolso on May 4, 2022 2:12:49 GMT
Even Jane Roe (Norma McCorvey) was against it.
So clearly I'm against that stupid law, based in lies, and an reinterpretation of a C XVIII Amendment, based on the Middle Age Common Law.- Million of unborn child were eliminated. Maybe more victims than the WWI and WWII combined. She was paid to be pro-life.
I dont know if this is true or not. But she was a poor Lady, with mental health problems. If she was paid for being pro life, first she was paid for being pro choice. Ask this to Laura Dern. She knows exactly what Norma received for a TV Film
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Post by hugobolso on May 4, 2022 2:16:14 GMT
This doesn't mean abortion is banned. Just every state could legislate as they want. And this is fair, is the main reason of what a Federal Country is.
You are pronlife, and dont tolerated prochoice laws, move to a prolife State and viceversa.
You have all the American Song Contest States and Territories to Choose, without leaving the States.
If its an important issue to you.
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Post by hugobolso on May 4, 2022 2:57:57 GMT
This isn't just about abortion anymore. This is a 14th Amendment issue, meaning that this draft is a tee-up for SCOTUS to repeal rights concerning contraception, gay marriage, interracial marriage, etc. I weep for this country. None will repeal the gay marriage. Because Gay Marriage is Good for Society. I have no prooves, but not doubt. That death rate of Gay people decreased after it. A gays friend of the family was murdered by young taxi Boys with Gay Marriage at the time, maybe he could get married and live happily ever after. One of his last works was made my wife wedding dress. When we returned from our honey moon, he was murdered.
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Post by Barbie on May 4, 2022 4:39:16 GMT
I really enjoyed this conversation with Neal Katyal, former clerk to Justice Breyer. He says he is 100% certain that the American people will not allow this to stand. Neal Katyal should lowkey stfu after this ETA: just read Neal Katyal liked Kavanaugh when he was first nominated LOL. Yeah he can shut the fuck up
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Post by Barbie on May 4, 2022 5:00:24 GMT
will definitely be watching these battleground states really closely in November. Are FL women going to put up with an abortion ban? Michigan, Wisconsin and Arizona will be important to watch too. Dems can't let this slide. They need to hammer this message that GOP is trying to police women's bodies. I’m sorry but the Democrats aren’t going to do fucking shit about this besides pay lip service. That cunt Nancy Pelosi is backing an anti-abortion Democrat Henry Cuellar in Texas AGAINST a pro-choice Democrat. Obama promised to solidify Roe and he didn’t do shit This was Biden’s rambling response to a question about codifying Roe
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Post by Brother Fease on May 4, 2022 10:29:34 GMT
She was paid to be pro-life.
I dont know if this is true or not. But she was a poor Lady, with mental health problems. If she was paid for being pro life, first she was paid for being pro choice. Ask this to Laura Dern. She knows exactly what Norma received for a TV Film It is true. It is what she said on her deathbed. She says she’s always been pro-choice. Are you saying she was lying on her deathbed?
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Post by Brother Fease on May 4, 2022 10:59:23 GMT
Brother Fease - I'm assuming their ultimate goal is to have a fetus be granted protection under the fourteenth amendment, which would make abortion illegal across the entire country. Correct. I think they are going to argue that the words "any person" and "no person" in the 14th and 5th amendment. See below.
Legalizing abortion on the federal level is going to be quite a challenge. For starters, the country is at least 60% pro-choice. But to a larger degree, there has to be a large list of "legit" reasons to have one. Rape and incest seem like a good start -- forced pregnancy. Seeing how regressive the right is today, I can't say it is a gimme. After that, you have the "health" or "life" reasons. This is where it gets even more complicated. What constitutes as "health"? With any pregnancy, there's going to be medical complications during that 9 month period. Not sure where the lines should be drawn there. I highly doubt the GOP has figured about those lines either.
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Post by Brother Fease on May 4, 2022 11:08:45 GMT
This doesn't mean abortion is banned. Just every state could legislate as they want. And this is fair, is the main reason of what a Federal Country is.None will repeal the gay marriage. Because Gay Marriage is Good for Society. I have no prooves, but not doubt. That death rate of Gay people decreased after it. Lots of problems here. Leaving civil rights up to the states has always been problematic. Didn't work for slavery, marriage or equal rights for LGBTQ, African Americans and women. It only creates problems because people move from state-to-state. In this case, why does a fetus living in Texas have more rights than a fetus living in New York? According to the right-wing logic, a fetus is a human being and therefore has constitutional protection.
As for marriage, it's not about what you feel, it is about how the regressive right feels about the issue. The GOP platform literally states that the Windsor and Obergefell were wrongly decided and the Supreme Court needs to right that wrong.
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Post by Barbie on May 4, 2022 14:04:52 GMT
She was paid to be pro-life.
I dont know if this is true or not. But she was a poor Lady, with mental health problems. If she was paid for being pro life, first she was paid for being pro choice. Ask this to Laura Dern. She knows exactly what Norma received for a TV Film Bitch it doesn’t matter what her personal views were or if she were paid for them. Other people’s views aren’t contingent on her personal views. She just happened to be the person in that particular court case. The right to abortion is valid regardless of her views.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 14:15:01 GMT
I dont know if this is true or not. But she was a poor Lady, with mental health problems. If she was paid for being pro life, first she was paid for being pro choice. Ask this to Laura Dern. She knows exactly what Norma received for a TV Film Bitch it doesn’t matter what her personal views were or if she were paid for them. Other people’s views aren’t contingent on her personal views. She just happened to be the person in that particular court case. The right to abortion is valid regardless of her views. Please don't engage him on this subject. Lol.
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Post by Barbie on May 4, 2022 14:17:59 GMT
Bitch it doesn’t matter what her personal views were or if she were paid for them. Other people’s views aren’t contingent on her personal views. She just happened to be the person in that particular court case. The right to abortion is valid regardless of her views. Please don't engage him on this subject. Lol. I usually ignore his stupid ass, but I just had to get that out there lol
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 14:29:59 GMT
Please don't engage him on this subject. Lol. I usually ignore his stupid ass, but I just had to get that out there lol I get it. I think it's safe to say that the election of Donald Trump has cast the US into a dark night of nonstop social unrest. This is yet another symptom of that.
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Post by hugobolso on May 4, 2022 16:33:11 GMT
I usually ignore his stupid ass, but I just had to get that out there lol I get it. I think it's safe to say that the election of Donald Trump has cast the US into a dark night of nonstop social unrest. This is yet another symptom of that. Nope. Just they weren't covered enough by CNN, CBS or even Fox News Before. But the massive protest with dead people in California during the 90s, were heavy, maybe you are too young to remember it.- Even with Obama, there were bloody protest, just not covered enough.
That doesn't mean, US Protester are bloody thirsty. I was in Washington DC this year, and all the protest were pacific, without any incident, in fact people who live in the downtown, never notice that there were protester.-
Washington has large and enourmous gardens and parks to protest, without the workers not even notice.-
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Post by hugobolso on May 4, 2022 16:37:07 GMT
I dont know if this is true or not. But she was a poor Lady, with mental health problems. If she was paid for being pro life, first she was paid for being pro choice. Ask this to Laura Dern. She knows exactly what Norma received for a TV Film It is true. It is what she said on her deathbed. She says she’s always been pro-choice. Are you saying she was lying on her deathbed? I post she was a political instrumental, and she knew it. For the right price, she could say everything you expect to hear, even if she was in her deathbed. After all was just a poor soul.- RIP.-
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Post by hugobolso on May 4, 2022 16:40:52 GMT
I dont know if this is true or not. But she was a poor Lady, with mental health problems. If she was paid for being pro life, first she was paid for being pro choice. Ask this to Laura Dern. She knows exactly what Norma received for a TV Film Bitch it doesn’t matter what her personal views were or if she were paid for them. Other people’s views aren’t contingent on her personal views. She just happened to be the person in that particular court case. The right to abortion is valid regardless of her views. Agree, the discussion about if abortion is a right or not, and what type of right is (in chase is it), is valid regardless her views.- Is Right of self-defense, trully a right? Because abortion from my humble point of view, is somehting like that.-
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