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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 26, 2022 2:27:07 GMT
That would have held more weight if he hadn’t sided with an earlier Mississippi case, 6-3
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2022 17:01:15 GMT
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Post by quetee on Jun 26, 2022 17:05:14 GMT
So some GOP senator said this is a victory for white life.
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Post by quetee on Jun 26, 2022 17:06:08 GMT
I just read same thing. Talk about disturbing.
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Post by quetee on Jun 26, 2022 22:37:10 GMT
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Post by cherry68 on Jun 27, 2022 4:32:14 GMT
Companies giving money and sending women to hospitals to get an abortion doesn't sound good to me... It opens the road for companies who will suggest or even oblige their employees to get an abortion when they get pregnant... Actually a pregnant employee or a mother of an infant is a problem for companies...
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Post by Barbie on Jun 27, 2022 19:51:07 GMT
Of course the liberal response to this latest round of fascist repression is “We’re gonna vote harder! That’ll show em!”
Motherfucking morons. “Vote blue” is the liberal version of “Thoughts and prayers”
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Post by Barbie on Jun 27, 2022 19:55:45 GMT
ibbi - I do think it's a mistake to misplace anger here... Criticizing Obama, Pelosi, Ginsburg... No. This is entirely at the hands of the GOP and their completely unethical maneuverings. That’s bullshit and letting the fascist enabler that is the Democratic Party off the hook. The GOP didn’t do this by themselves. The Democrats helped by being impotent and panderers to some imaginary centrist voter they think will vote for Democrats. For decades, democrats were cowardly about abortion, tried not to talk about it, and when they did, it was some vague support for abortion. They have blood on their hands too
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 27, 2022 20:51:35 GMT
Companies giving money and sending women to hospitals to get an abortion doesn't sound good to me... It opens the road for companies who will suggest or even oblige their employees to get an abortion when they get pregnant... Actually a pregnant employee or a mother of an infant is a problem for companies... That is incredibly flawed for several reasons… A) That is literal discrimination, and would likely go to court with a settlement. B) There’s such a thing as maternity leave. C) There were companies that were also anti-abortion (Amazon has a weird hedging their bets stance), so to suggest they’re offering it as a means of pressuring employees, that feels disingenuous. D) Perhaps, be it ever so likely, they feel as if overturning this law was the wrong thing to do, and they leave it up to the INDIVIDUAL to make that decision. Because when people say life begins is really contradictory. Some say it’s at conception (biggest shit out there, because *everyone* masturbates), some say it’s when there’s a heartbeat, some say it’s at the first breath. No one ever has a clear-cut answer. But that’s not what’s important here. Between the court using evangelical reasoning for their ruling, as well as their impending attacks on contraceptives and same-sex marriage, what becomes clear is that these are not made out of any moral standing. It is abusing their power with their faith as a scapegoat (a faith that pleads “Thou Shalt Not Kill,” and yet we spend billions on military funding). It’s done out of the fear that Christianity will be scrubbed out in the country, which is laughable because… A) Christianity represents two-thirds of the nation’s beliefs B) Christianity isn’t the only religion we should be catering to. C) Your fears that you’re going to be persecuted for your beliefs are very disingenuous, when SCORUS use those same beliefs to persecute those who don’t fit into the narrow, selective view of what does and doesn’t make a good human being (In some ways, devout Christianity is not too dissimilar to an abusive relationship).
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Post by Joaquim on Jun 27, 2022 22:45:08 GMT
I will say that Barbie’s right about democrats pandering to centrist voters. Like what is it with all these former cops running for the democrats this cycle? In Pennsylvania, for example, your choices are Dr. Oz and John Fetterman who shot an unarmed black man out for a jog - and Fetterman is the Democrat. Val Demmings here in Florida has the cringiest ads where she’s bragging about her record as a cop. You gotta appeal to your base first and foremost. If your main voter base won’t come out to vote for you because you’re pandering to centrists it doesn’t matter how many centrists show up to vote for you, you ain’t winning
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Post by quetee on Jun 28, 2022 2:27:35 GMT
I was discussing this issue and other issues with my mom. She grew up in Jim crow south as kid. Well something she said just hit home for me. It took 6 people minutes to undo what millions of people fought hard for. Can you imagine what women during that period feel like now after going through all that then just to see it unravel just like that.
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Post by quetee on Jun 28, 2022 2:33:28 GMT
Another point, Catholics are overrepresented on the court. 22% of population but represents 67% on court.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 28, 2022 2:43:36 GMT
Just want to make one thing clear. Because I’m realizing that my deep rooted trauma, one that’s since tainted my outlook on Christianity and Catholicism since, is making me lash out right now.
I have no problem with anyone’s religious beliefs. Because I do believe, even though I don’t share your beliefs, you have every right to believe whatever you wish. That’s your right, and if it gives you happiness, all the power to you. I have no problem with that.
What I DO have a problem with is with people forcing those beliefs on others, and conditioning and ridiculing them into obedience, or abusing it as a means to strip OTHER people’s happiness away from them. It’s that kind of attitude that drove me away from the Church, and why I don’t ever see myself returning to it. Especially now, where we’ve basically reverted to the Satanic Panic era, and we’re ok with ruining people’s lives over a war that doesn’t exist. There is more than one religion out there (or lack there of), and there is absolutely no reason that we can’t co-exist with one another
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Post by cherry68 on Jun 28, 2022 3:42:42 GMT
Ryan_MYeah said: Your A) Apparently you aren't a woman. In a fairly tale you'll be able to prove you've been pressured not to have the baby... And even if you'll win in the court, you'll be labelled as a troublemaker and find no other job after that. B) That's why companies don't like to have pregnant employees and mothers of newborns. It's a loss for them, they'll have to pay for your maternity leave and find substitutes, train them to do your job and so on. C) and D) Companies,especially the big ones, don't have feelings. Their goal is making money. They always choose what brings them more incomes, and pregnant employees aren't a money source. If they show you they support the rights of some groups or the green transition, it's only because they think they'll have more clients that way. I'm not blaming them. They simply do their business.
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Post by cherry68 on Jun 28, 2022 3:54:06 GMT
Ryan_MYeah said: You have been misinformed. Conception is when a sperm enters the ovum and the new cell begins to multiply. Spermatozoa by themselves aren't conception.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 28, 2022 3:57:36 GMT
cherry68 You’re right. I’m not a woman. But this is why we had Roe v Wade. Also, why are we not addressing the religious abuse here? That’s where my real problem lies, and that’s what got this potential trend started.
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Post by cherry68 on Jun 28, 2022 4:00:58 GMT
cherry68 You’re right. I’m not a woman. But this is why we had Roe v Wade. Also, why are we not addressing the religious abuse here? That’s where my real problem lies, and that’s what got this potential trend started. Defense of life is a secular value, not necessarily a religious one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2022 4:03:03 GMT
Ryan_MYeah said: You have been misinformed. Conception is when a sperm enters the ovum and the new cell begins to multiply. Spermatozoa by themselves aren't conception. Right, the fertilized egg has to then attach to the uterine wall in order for the woman to become pregnant. That's why the recently passed Oklahoma law banning abortion at the moment of "conception" was so hilariously wrong - these people have no idea how fertility even works.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 28, 2022 4:07:53 GMT
cherry68 You’re right. I’m not a woman. But this is why we had Roe v Wade. Also, why are we not addressing the religious abuse here? That’s where my real problem lies, and that’s what got this potential trend started. Defense of life is a secular value, not necessarily a religious one. And yet, we still have school shootings, because we can’t give up our love of guns. Also, what does going after same-sex marriage (which Clarence Thomas wants to do) have ANYTHING to do with defense of life?
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Post by cherry68 on Jun 28, 2022 4:18:48 GMT
Defense of life is a secular value, not necessarily a religious one. And yet, we still have school shootings, because we can’t give up our love of guns. Also, what does going after same-sex marriage (which Clarence Thomas wants to do) have ANYTHING to do with defense of life? I doubt anyone, religious or not, agrees with school shootings but the perpetrators. I'm not American, but as long as I know, your supreme Court has to decide if federal laws are coherent with the Constitution and apparently some laws aren't. I guess it's up to your parliament, or through the vote of citizens (I don't know your procedures) to change the Constitution if the people of the USA think some values in it don't fit modern times anymore.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 28, 2022 4:43:54 GMT
cherry68 The problem is each time there’s a school shooting, and change is called for, the conversation always gets deflected. “Maybe it’s because kids are becoming desensitized by violence.” “Video games make you more violent.” And every time, the GOP always sends “thoughts and prayers” (every. single. time.) over action and change. And that’s because the NRA does not like that, because stricter gun regulations would put a stranglehold on them, and they’re really good at lobbying and undermining efforts every time. So if they don’t approve of it, by continuing to play ignorant, they are still painting themselves in a very unflattering light. Also, it’s a long, complicated, sometimes painful road to make change happen. It’s tough to shake up the constitution (that even some of its founding fathers admitted should be redrafted in cycles). The citizens don’t get to elect the Supreme Court, and they don’t have term limits, and yet major changes happen as a direct result of their rulings. That’s why Trump blatantly filled seats with three hard-right appointees, all of them Catholic or Protestant as well. And despite the separation of church and state being vital to our country, they’ve made no secret that their judgments were rendered and governed based on what they think their beliefs dictate.
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Post by hugobolso on Jun 28, 2022 16:28:47 GMT
Ryan_MYeah said: Your A) Apparently you aren't a woman. In a fairly tale you'll be able to prove you've been pressured not to have the baby... And even if you'll win in the court, you'll be labelled as a troublemaker and find no other job after that. B) That's why companies don't like to have pregnant employees and mothers of newborns. It's a loss for them, they'll have to pay for your maternity leave and find substitutes, train them to do your job and so on. C) and D) Companies,especially the big ones, don't have feelings. Their goal is making money. They always choose what brings them more incomes, and pregnant employees aren't a money source. If they show you they support the rights of some groups or the green transition, it's only because they think they'll have more clients that way. I'm not blaming them. They simply do their business. You got a point. I will not talk more about abortion issue. But not so long ago, in my country it was common that women were fired or resign from small bussiness when they got married.- also why almost all the Court are Catholics, I have no clue, maybe coincidence. Or because Catholics are more likely to study law.-
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Post by cherry68 on Jun 28, 2022 18:20:34 GMT
Ryan_MYeah said: Your A) Apparently you aren't a woman. In a fairly tale you'll be able to prove you've been pressured not to have the baby... And even if you'll win in the court, you'll be labelled as a troublemaker and find no other job after that. B) That's why companies don't like to have pregnant employees and mothers of newborns. It's a loss for them, they'll have to pay for your maternity leave and find substitutes, train them to do your job and so on. C) and D) Companies,especially the big ones, don't have feelings. Their goal is making money. They always choose what brings them more incomes, and pregnant employees aren't a money source. If they show you they support the rights of some groups or the green transition, it's only because they think they'll have more clients that way. I'm not blaming them. They simply do their business. You got a point. I will not talk more about abortion issue. But not so long ago, in my country it was common that women were fired or resign from small bussiness when they got married.- also why almost all the Court are Catholics, I have no clue, maybe coincidence. Or because Catholics are more likely to study law.- It was common in Europe too. In Switzerland it was almost mandatory even for public employees. A married woman had to prove her salary was absolutely necessary for her family if she wanted to keep her job.
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Post by Barbie on Jun 29, 2022 22:13:17 GMT
LOL and this is the Democratic Party for you. They’re scamming their voters into giving them money with fake outrage so they can get elected and do absolutely nothing
Anyone still defending and voting for this fascist enabling party is a moron and every bit EVERY BIT as delusional as a MAGA moron. Blue MAGA is dangerous too
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Post by Joaquim on Jun 29, 2022 22:43:20 GMT
Interesting thread, worth a read
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