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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 25, 2022 5:45:57 GMT
Even the people who say they have days long symptoms. Days. Vs months. Almost a year. And without the insurance to cover the sheer cost that pregnancy is going to entail Tell this to all the people who had a pericarditis after the vaccine. Or lost the use of their legs. Or the ones, even very young, who lost their lives. I got two doses of vaccine, but I can see why some people didn't feel like being vaccinated. I had two children, and I can tell you the argument "9 months of discomfort vs days" is ridiculous. Let's say people should fight to have free medical assistance for all the pregnancies in the first place. Here in the US, adverse effects like that have accounted for just over 10,000 deaths out of 469 million doses. And yeah, it’s bad that those people died, but there’s always going to be risks with everything. Those are the exceptions. Also, disregarding that I think it’s a woman’s decision above all else, we WERE fighting for those things, as well as universal healthcare. But we live in a nation that values capitalism above everything, and when those measures get brought up, they always get slammed and demonized as “socialist propaganda” by the GOP and Conservative circles. It’s not that we don’t fight. It’s that we are systematically blocked in a game rigged against us. For instance, I depend on insulin to stay alive, and without insurance (that I had to fight for), I’d be looking at paying upwards of $200 dollars a bottle (compared to sub $10 in many other countries).
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Post by cherry68 on Jun 25, 2022 6:02:00 GMT
Ryan_MYeahI seriously doubt they reported all the consequences of the vaccines. Even with deaths, they tend to declare they were only "a time coincidence after the vaccine but not proven as being caused by it". I suggest the citizens of the states where abortion will be banned to ask that money, that'll be saved in consequence of the ban of that surgery, will be used to give free medical assistance for pregnancies and newborn babies.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 25, 2022 6:23:30 GMT
Ryan_MYeah I seriously doubt they reported all the consequences of the vaccines. Even with deaths, they tend to declare they were only "a time coincidence after the vaccine but not proven as being caused by it". I suggest the citizens of the states where abortion will be banned to ask that money, that'll be saved in consequence of the ban of that surgery, will be used to give free medical assistance for pregnancies and newborn babies. Again, disregarding that I think it’s the individual’s choice above all that should have final say, neither options is likely to happen. Not with the stranglehold the GOP is systematically trying to enforce at EVERY conceivable turn. They’ve said it themselves. They’re already gearing up to reverse contraceptives, and same-sex marriage. That last one is particularly infuriating, because it has nothing to do with killing babies, or with morality over life. There should be nothing wrong with two people, who happen to be the same gender, falling in love with each other. That’s not even in the same ballpark as the “murder” they want to prevent. It’s with the baseless hatred on the end of the GOP. Many of them are conservative, so they have a terrible track record of separating church from state, and render their judgment based on their religious beliefs, and what they feel the Bible hates (even though the Bible itself has some baffling contradictions between its MANY ghost writers). It’s not even to protect lives. That’s when it becomes clear that it’s not morality. It’s justices flexing their power because they can, and they don’t have anyone stopping them, and it’s those people these reversals directly target that pay the price. And if that’s what this is gonna turn into, then America, stop calling yourselves the land of the free, when those people, that you’re supposed to fight for and protect, no longer feel welcome in their own country.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 25, 2022 6:58:58 GMT
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Post by Allenism on Jun 25, 2022 14:22:12 GMT
But what if a gun wanted an abortion?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2022 15:51:16 GMT
Should blue states go ahead and codify the right to privacy in their state constitutions?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2022 16:18:43 GMT
ibbi - I do think it's a mistake to misplace anger here... Criticizing Obama, Pelosi, Ginsburg... No. This is entirely at the hands of the GOP and their completely unethical maneuverings.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 25, 2022 16:46:38 GMT
yeah save your blame for extremist evangelical nationalists and a Congressional system that grossly overepresents underpopulated failed red states that are losing people in droves because they're so badly mismanaged and socially regressive. I'm sick of libs blaming other libs for shit the Republicans are doing.
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Post by ibbi on Jun 25, 2022 16:55:47 GMT
ibbi - I do think it's a mistake to misplace anger here... Criticizing Obama, Pelosi, Ginsburg... No. This is entirely at the hands of the GOP and their completely unethical maneuverings. I'm just laughing at the pathetically comic impotence of the side that regularly displays a total inability to play the game with the guile required to succeed. The side reliant instead on finger pointing and handwashing platitudes meant to absolve them in their ineptitude of any kind of blame. I say this with all due respect, but I think it takes the kind of naivety these fucks prey on to believe the anger is misplaced. The ones who actually want to do anything are 'radical' and 'unelectable', the rest are gutless turds straddling the fence, relying entirely on not being the bad guys, and thinking like you're thinking allows them to go on doing the same.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 25, 2022 17:07:22 GMT
The thread is called "The Fate of Roe vs Wade" so with that in mind......just sayin':
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2022 18:35:39 GMT
Ordered mine!
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 25, 2022 19:06:45 GMT
Ordered mine! Where are these?! ❤️
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2022 19:10:38 GMT
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Post by quetee on Jun 25, 2022 19:31:39 GMT
So they are gonna basically undo everything.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 25, 2022 19:33:30 GMT
So they are gonna basically undo everything. I wonder how Clarence Thomas feels about this.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 25, 2022 19:35:58 GMT
So they are gonna basically undo everything. You know what, why stop there? Why not just bring back Jim Crow blackface, and normalize the n-word in conversation? … I know someone somewhere is gonna take that at face value, and that terrifies the unholy shit out of me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2022 19:37:14 GMT
Ryan_MYeah - Maybe they'll overturn Loving v. Virginia, too - just for him and Ginni.
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Post by quetee on Jun 25, 2022 19:42:50 GMT
Ryan_MYeah - Maybe they'll overturn Loving v. Virginia, too - just for him and Ginni. You notice how he didn't bring up that one. LMAO. This MFer has got to go. We need term limits. Lifetime appointment is bullshit.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 25, 2022 19:44:04 GMT
Ryan_MYeah - Maybe they'll overturn Loving v. Virginia, too - just for him and Ginni. They don’t care until these issues affect *them.*
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Post by quetee on Jun 25, 2022 19:51:47 GMT
Ryan_MYeah - Maybe they'll overturn Loving v. Virginia, too - just for him and Ginni. They don’t care until these issues affect *them.* Pretty much. They'll just lie about it anyway. They are all pro-life but then make their mistress get an abortion. Dems need to get a f that bitch attitude and stop trying to play nice all the time. Hell to the no. Don't hesitate, just do it. If you see someone acting a fool then put them on blast. They wait too late to get rid of people.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 25, 2022 20:12:55 GMT
The implications of this are still so mind-boggling. Does this irrevocably increase turnout in every election going forward? Will more people migrate away from these red states, allowing them to become even more extreme without losing Congressional representation? Do dems care about the supreme court now, finally? Is there going to be another national feminist movement and how long will it take to nationally codify abortion rights if ever? Do red states continue slipping into Handmaid's Tale and restrict contraception while instituting travel bans to abortion safe harbors? How much more division can this country take without violence??
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 25, 2022 20:28:08 GMT
The implications of this are still so mind-boggling. Does this irrevocably increase turnout in every election going forward? Will more people migrate away from these red states, allowing them to become even more extreme without losing Congressional representation? Do dems care about the supreme court now, finally? Is there going to be another national feminist movement and how long will it take to nationally codify abortion rights if ever? Do red states continue slipping into Handmaid's Tale and restrict contraception while instituting travel bans to abortion safe harbors? How much more division can this country take without violence?? I’m hearing rumblings of sex strikes as well. Can’t say I blame them, since why on earth would you want to bring children into a world that, if they don’t fit the strict, narrowly defined definition of what the Bible says is normal (and let’s make this clear, Christianity in conservative circles is the same thing as an abusive relationship), is likely going to hate them. At some point, I fear a revolution might be coming.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 25, 2022 20:58:52 GMT
The implications of this are still so mind-boggling. Does this irrevocably increase turnout in every election going forward? Will more people migrate away from these red states, allowing them to become even more extreme without losing Congressional representation? Do dems care about the supreme court now, finally? Is there going to be another national feminist movement and how long will it take to nationally codify abortion rights if ever? Do red states continue slipping into Handmaid's Tale and restrict contraception while instituting travel bans to abortion safe harbors? How much more division can this country take without violence?? I’m hearing rumblings of sex strikes as well. Can’t say I blame them, since why on earth would you want to bring children into a world that, if they don’t fit the strict, narrowly defined definition of what the Bible says is normal (and let’s make this clear, Christianity in conservative circles is the same thing as an abusive relationship), is likely going to hate them. At some point, I fear a revolution might be coming. I really hope there are work strikes too, lots of them. Well-organized and well-funded.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 25, 2022 21:15:59 GMT
The implications of this are still so mind-boggling. Does this irrevocably increase turnout in every election going forward? Will more people migrate away from these red states, allowing them to become even more extreme without losing Congressional representation? Do dems care about the supreme court now, finally? Is there going to be another national feminist movement and how long will it take to nationally codify abortion rights if ever? Do red states continue slipping into Handmaid's Tale and restrict contraception while instituting travel bans to abortion safe harbors? How much more division can this country take without violence?? I dunno but you'll find out after the midterms and if there's pressure on Biden to announce he's stepping aside after 1 term.......for Harris? For walking haircut Gavin Newsom? I dunno - but somebody else......... They are still going to get red waved in 136 days - Democrats will lose what....... 25 seats? 40? The Senate by a couple too? Many Governors? At that point there is no Democratic power on a national level for 2 years. Nothing gets done in 2023 / 2024 - things get worse........a de facto lame duck President ........ ...........if you want to energize the Party - and you NEED to energize the Party - you have to do it at the head. I said this in another post - this is a loooooooooooooong losing streak since the Afghanistan evacuation for the Left in general - it's shocking - so stop the bleeding....... There is not a revolution coming in America btw - actually if there was a revolution - it would look more like the Reagan-revolution - than any Progressive - the country is center-right (now) so move center-right now We have an awful President (imo) - who looks like another famously awful President from that era - Carter (imo) .........and Carter cost the Democrat Party the White House for - 12 years to that Reagan-revolution. You cant afford to lose 4 years - much less 12........ ibbi who should appreciate this from his beloved The Simpsons and get the joke:
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