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Post by DeepArcher on Jun 27, 2017 17:09:58 GMT
Alright, here's a totally batshit crazy theory I developed after my second viewing, based on existing theories and whatnot: The egg that hatches in 1956 is a manifestation of the Laura orb that was created in and sent down from the White Lodge. The fact that one scene directly follows the other seems to imply that linkage, and I really think this episode follows a far more linear structure than most people realize. Why eleven years pass is unclear; though it actually might make more sense if the creation of Laura also happened after the lapse, considering that the Giant and Experiment seemed to have at least a few years worth of convenience store footage to watch (all of which presumably happened after the creation of Bob and garmonbozia in 1945). Anyway, the creature that hatched from the egg almost resembled a human fetus with wings ... like, angel wings, ya know? Okay, it had bug-like appendages and frog-like features, but they could just be adaptations to help it transport itself to its host. (As I said, not a perfect theory.) So, assuming that the Leland and Sarah hypothesis is correct (which it probably won't be, but go with it), the creature from the Laura egg inhabits itself into Sarah, who then births Laura roughly fifteen years later. The Woodsman came from the Black Lodge to destroy the creature from the Laura orb. Though there's a great deal of discussion about not knowing which side the Woodsmen are aligned with, it seems far more likely that they're associated with the Black Lodge, considering that a couple of them are present in the room above the convenience store (where, it seems, only Black Lodge figures have been). Therefore, the Woodsman at the end of the episode was attempting to destroy the creature with the poem. However, it quickly sought refuge in a human host to protect itself, and therefore went unharmed. ...As I said, just a theory, and it's surely wrong. But it's fun to speculate and I'll probably be posting more shit like this for the next two weeks, so look out. I like a lot of your thinking and I agree the episode is more straightforward which a second viewing certainly helped me see. My only question would be your interpretation of the bug representing the implantation of Laura into her mother. That being said, it does come down to speculation the way we can analyze that final stretch of the episode. Where you see the bug seeking refuge from the Woodsman I see the Woodsman aiding the bug's voyage. It is clear that his recitation induces people to sleep, a result that he must be intent on achieving, and it is this result that allows the bug's safe passage into the girl's mouth. I would also find it hard to believe that the pure force of good or light that Laura seems to embody in the orb would then be converted into an image of that insect, which is rather disturbing and horrifying to watch. What's so neat about that final stretch though is that both of these readings are equally plausible. I guess we will find out, or because it's Lynch maybe we won't find out anything. I think the bug might have a more symbolic meaning, related to the cockroach that can survive a nuclear blast. It could represent the good that perseveres through the creation of man's greatest evil. Which is weird, considering how creepy the creature looks, but after all, this is Lynch, so who knows. But your theory is equally plausible. For some reason, I immediately assumed that the Woodsman's poem was killing its listeners, not putting them to sleep. But that makes much more sense, as I was confused as to how the girl seemed to survive hearing the poem while everyone else died. It makes far more sense that, you know, no one died, except for the people whom he directly killed.
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Post by moonman157 on Jun 27, 2017 18:50:02 GMT
I like a lot of your thinking and I agree the episode is more straightforward which a second viewing certainly helped me see. My only question would be your interpretation of the bug representing the implantation of Laura into her mother. That being said, it does come down to speculation the way we can analyze that final stretch of the episode. Where you see the bug seeking refuge from the Woodsman I see the Woodsman aiding the bug's voyage. It is clear that his recitation induces people to sleep, a result that he must be intent on achieving, and it is this result that allows the bug's safe passage into the girl's mouth. I would also find it hard to believe that the pure force of good or light that Laura seems to embody in the orb would then be converted into an image of that insect, which is rather disturbing and horrifying to watch. What's so neat about that final stretch though is that both of these readings are equally plausible. I guess we will find out, or because it's Lynch maybe we won't find out anything. I think the bug might have a more symbolic meaning, related to the cockroach that can survive a nuclear blast. It could represent the good that perseveres through the creation of man's greatest evil. Which is weird, considering how creepy the creature looks, but after all, this is Lynch, so who knows. But your theory is equally plausible. For some reason, I immediately assumed that the Woodsman's poem was killing its listeners, not putting them to sleep. But that makes much more sense, as I was confused as to how the girl seemed to survive hearing the poem while everyone else died. It makes far more sense that, you know, no one died, except for the people whom he directly killed. Yeah your comments about the creature resonate strongly for me. Just because that image of the creature crawling into her mouth is so viscerally unpleasant in no way means that it is depicting something necessarily negative. Entirely possible that it's another Lynchian moment where something good could appear evil or vice versa. This is making me want to watch the episode yet again.
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Post by DeepArcher on Jun 28, 2017 4:17:45 GMT
So a random tidbit I discovered about this episode: Robert Broski, the actor who plays the Woodsman, is essentially just an Abraham Lincoln impersonator. This is literally his only credited role in which he did not play Abraham Lincoln. (Also, check out the plot of the short Lincolne. I got a huge kick out of it.) It's really interesting, considering that Lynch is known for often making references to Abe -- and even does so elsewhere in this episode, with the girl finding the "lucky" head's-up penny.
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Post by Joaquim on Jun 28, 2017 6:09:36 GMT
Somebody give this man a Nobel Prize or something.
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Post by Drish on Jun 28, 2017 9:26:05 GMT
Those two teenagers could be Richard and Linda? 🤔
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 28, 2017 12:40:33 GMT
Also, I had meant to mention yesterday but forgot...didn't the the Giant's viewing room remind everyone of Club Silencio and the Woodsmen, the bum behind Winkie's?
I'm not going anywhere with this, I have no theories on this, but had to bring it up.
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Post by moonman157 on Jun 28, 2017 12:58:30 GMT
Also, I had meant to mention yesterday but forgot...didn't the the Giant's viewing room remind everyone of Club Silencio and the Woodsmen, the bum behind Winkie's? I'm not going anywhere with this, I have no theories on this, but had to bring it up. From what I've read people sound pretty confident that the location used for the Giant's viewing room IS the same location Lynch used for Club Silencio. Bums appear in a lot of Lynch's imagery so it's hard to draw a direct parallel to the bum behind Winkie's. Either this show is placing all of Lynch's films in the same world or he's doing a summation of his career that deliberately references and engages with what he's done in the past.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 28, 2017 13:22:06 GMT
Also, I had meant to mention yesterday but forgot...didn't the the Giant's viewing room remind everyone of Club Silencio and the Woodsmen, the bum behind Winkie's? I'm not going anywhere with this, I have no theories on this, but had to bring it up. From what I've read people sound pretty confident that the location used for the Giant's viewing room IS the same location Lynch used for Club Silencio. Bums appear in a lot of Lynch's imagery so it's hard to draw a direct parallel to the bum behind Winkie's. Either this show is placing all of Lynch's films in the same world or he's doing a summation of his career that deliberately references and engages with what he's done in the past. Yeah it's most likely all just coincidences and stuff, but I was getting so much Mulholland Drive from Episode 8 and I loved it; whatever it means or likely doesn't mean.
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Post by DeepArcher on Jun 28, 2017 15:59:16 GMT
Those two teenagers could be Richard and Linda? 🤔 I had thought the same thing.
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Post by Pavan on Jul 2, 2017 18:27:13 GMT
Do i need to see the 1990 Twin Peaks and 1992 movie before the 2017's version?
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jul 2, 2017 18:35:44 GMT
Do i need to see the 1990 Twin Peaks and 1992 movie before the 2017's version? Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 18:56:43 GMT
Do i need to see the 1990 Twin Peaks and 1992 movie before the 2017's version? 100% yes. Not even a question.
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Post by stephen on Jul 2, 2017 19:09:12 GMT
Do i need to see the 1990 Twin Peaks and 1992 movie before the 2017's version? Absolutely. In fact, it needs to be top priority in your life to seek them out.
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Post by Pavan on Jul 2, 2017 20:47:53 GMT
Thanks guys. Will watch in order.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jul 2, 2017 20:54:17 GMT
Thanks guys. Will watch in order. A few notes for when you start watching it: - Watch the show before you watch Twin Peak: Fire Walk with Me.- Make sure the pilot you watch is no more than 94 minutes long. There's an international pilot that runs 116 minutes long that was made as a self-contained TV movie and doesn't fit the continuity of the rest of the show.
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Post by Joaquim on Jul 2, 2017 20:56:04 GMT
Thanks guys. Will watch in order. First 2 seasons are on Netflix for your convenience.
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Post by Pavan on Jul 3, 2017 6:04:28 GMT
Thanks guys. Will watch in order. First 2 seasons are on Netflix for your convenience. Not on Netflix India
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Post by chris3 on Jul 4, 2017 11:00:50 GMT
So what does everyone think the chances are that Lynch get nominated for a Director Emmy? He's such a divisive filmmaker and the Emmys are always so dull and middlebrow I wouldn't be surprised if he's forgotten by next year, but then again an episode like Part 8 doesn't come around very often and if they were smart they'd want to support such a revolutionary, outlandish hour of TV in the directing category.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jul 4, 2017 13:24:43 GMT
So what does everyone think the chances are that Lynch get nominated for a Director Emmy? He's such a divisive filmmaker and the Emmys are always so dull and middlebrow I wouldn't be surprised if he's forgotten by next year, but then again an episode like Part 8 doesn't come around very often and if they were smart they'd want to support such a revolutionary, outlandish hour of TV in the directing category. He frickin better be. I've very little time for the Emmys because of the almost complete snubs of shows like Buffy and The Wire, but if Lynch and Kyle Mc aren't at a minimum nominees, I'm done with that shit show.
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Post by stephen on Jul 4, 2017 13:46:57 GMT
So what does everyone think the chances are that Lynch get nominated for a Director Emmy? He's such a divisive filmmaker and the Emmys are always so dull and middlebrow I wouldn't be surprised if he's forgotten by next year, but then again an episode like Part 8 doesn't come around very often and if they were smart they'd want to support such a revolutionary, outlandish hour of TV in the directing category. I think Showtime's gonna push him hard, and if Episode 8 is any indication, there might be several other episodes they'll campaign him for as well. Because this season is ineligible for this current round of awards, the hardest thing for Lynch to overcome is the sheer waiting time and managing to stay in the voters' consciousness, as well as making sure no one else comes in all flashy closer to voting time for next year.
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Post by ingmarhepburn on Jul 8, 2017 10:22:15 GMT
Is anybody else loving the songs so far? Damn good selection! First Dave Brubeck's Take Five, then Sleep Walk and Green Onions in episode 7... What a great soundtrack this new season will make!
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Post by Drish on Jul 9, 2017 19:26:45 GMT
So any predictions for the latest episode? I say it'd be completely set on Twin Peaks with most of the old characters. Now, can't wait for Lynch to do the complete opposite 😀
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Post by DeepArcher on Jul 9, 2017 20:24:12 GMT
So any predictions for the latest episode? I say it'd be completely set on Twin Peaks with most of the old characters. Now, can't wait for Lynch to do the complete opposite 😀 I'm not ballsy enough to ever make "predictions" with this show, but I think it's about damn time we see Audrey Horne.
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Post by cheesecake on Jul 9, 2017 20:37:29 GMT
Excited for the return tonight!
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Post by DeepArcher on Jul 10, 2017 2:00:41 GMT
IT'S A FUCKING MORGUE.
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