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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 9, 2017 4:08:33 GMT
Which begs the question: How would you vote on your ballot if your favorite nominee was something you enjoyed ironically? If your favorite was something that you enjoyed because you thought it was terrible and laughed at it, would you still place it #1 on your ballot?
1. Hacksaw Ridge 7/10 for all of the unintentional laughs 2. Moonlight 7/10 3. Fences 6/10 4. La La Land 6/10 5. Lion 6/10 6. Arrival 5/10 7. Hell or High Water 5/10 8. Manchester by the Sea 4/10 9. Hidden Figures 3/10
It was a downright terrible year for cinema in general, but surely the Oscars could have chosen Jackie or... Sorry, that is the only Oscarish movie that was worthwhile. In a perfect world stuff like Green Room, Love & Friendship and The Nice Guys would be considered, but them's the breaks. I'm just gonna try and put 2016 behind me. Pretty much the worst cinematic year since... 1998. And maybe worse than that. *gag*
I still have 3 movies on my watchlist; Certain Women, Silence and 20th Century Women. So maybe one of those will end the year on a good note. I'm not counting on it.
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Post by Film Socialism on Dec 9, 2017 6:06:52 GMT
man i loooved 2016. Antiporno, Resident Evil: The Final Chapter, O.J.: Made in America, Elle, Nocturama, etc. but i think most oscar stuff is pretty overrated for the most part.
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Post by Joaquim on Dec 9, 2017 6:18:52 GMT
1. Hacksaw Ridge 7/10 for all of the unintentional laughs Oh fuck yea, dude. The guy who's lying on the ground, suddenly gets up and starts screaming, then has a bunch of bullets rip through his face and into the other guy's face had me howling. And Luke Bracey basically turning into a CoD character during the battle scenes is good stuff too.
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 9, 2017 6:20:14 GMT
man i loooved 2016. Antiporno, Resident Evil: The Final Chapter, O.J.: Made in America, Elle, Nocturama, etc. but i think most oscar stuff is pretty overrated for the most part. O.J. was pretty great. Elle was great until it stopped being about the survival of abuse and became a shallow movie about kinky sex. Haven't seen the others.
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 9, 2017 6:22:20 GMT
1. Hacksaw Ridge 7/10 for all of the unintentional laughs Oh fuck yea, dude. The guy who's lying on the ground, suddenly gets up and starts screaming, then has a bunch of bullets rip through his face and into the other guy's face had me howling. And Luke Bracey basically turning into a CoD character during the battle scenes is good stuff too. The scene where the one guy picks up half a corpse and uses it as shield like Captain America had me cracking up. And the grenade slapping scene is the stuff of legend. That was so incredible that I rewound the movie just to watch it again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 6:37:41 GMT
the lineup is steaming shit (apart from Arrival and Moonlight), but the ones left on ur watchlist are fucking great, get on them asap.
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Post by moonman157 on Dec 9, 2017 6:46:47 GMT
Which begs the question: How would you vote on your ballot if your favorite nominee was something you enjoyed ironically? If your favorite was something that you enjoyed because you thought it was terrible and laughed at it, would you still place it #1 on your ballot? 1. Hacksaw Ridge 7/10 for all of the unintentional laughs 2. Moonlight 7/103. Fences 6/104. La La Land 6/105. Lion 6/106. Arrival 5/107. Hell or High Water 5/108. Manchester by the Sea 4/109. Hidden Figures 3/10It was a downright terrible year for cinema in general, but surely the Oscars could have chosen Jackie or... Sorry, that is the only Oscarish movie that was worthwhile. In a perfect world stuff like Green Room, Love & Friendship and The Nice Guys would be considered, but them's the breaks. I'm just gonna try and put 2016 behind me. Pretty much the worst cinematic year since... 1998. And maybe worse than that. *gag* I still have 3 movies on my watchlist; Certain Women, Silence and 20th Century Women. So maybe one of those will end the year on a good note. I'm not counting on it. lolling pretty hard @ the 4/10 for Manchester by the Sea get fucked MOD: Don't tell people who don't share your opinion to "get fucked".
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Post by moonman157 on Dec 9, 2017 6:48:03 GMT
man i loooved 2016. Antiporno, Resident Evil: The Final Chapter, O.J.: Made in America, Elle, Nocturama, etc. but i think most oscar stuff is pretty overrated for the most part. Elle was great until it stopped being about the survival of abuse and became a shallow movie about kinky sex. Pay attention everyone, these are the words of an intelligent person speaking about a subject they fully comprehend.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 9, 2017 7:21:21 GMT
yeeeeah no. 2016 was an amazing year for cinema, and the only weak ones in that lineup were Lion, Fences, and Hacksaw.
I've never encountered a BP lineup that weak. There's always at least one that stands out from the pack.
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Post by no on Dec 9, 2017 9:38:34 GMT
Which begs the question: How would you vote on your ballot if your favorite nominee was something you enjoyed ironically? If your favorite was something that you enjoyed because you thought it was terrible and laughed at it, would you still place it #1 on your ballot? 1. Hacksaw Ridge 7/10 for all of the unintentional laughs 2. Moonlight 7/103. Fences 6/104. La La Land 6/105. Lion 6/106. Arrival 5/107. Hell or High Water 5/108. Manchester by the Sea 4/109. Hidden Figures 3/10It was a downright terrible year for cinema in general, but surely the Oscars could have chosen Jackie or... Sorry, that is the only Oscarish movie that was worthwhile. In a perfect world stuff like Green Room, Love & Friendship and The Nice Guys would be considered, but them's the breaks. I'm just gonna try and put 2016 behind me. Pretty much the worst cinematic year since... 1998. And maybe worse than that. *gag* I still have 3 movies on my watchlist; Certain Women, Silence and 20th Century Women. So maybe one of those will end the year on a good note. I'm not counting on it. lolling pretty hard @ the 4/10 for Manchester by the Sea get fucked Hes woke about MbtS
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 9, 2017 12:10:49 GMT
2016 was way better than 2017 for me, but I catch-up on everything late so maybe that'll change. I think it's a mistake to look at BP as a barometer of the year, but Fences and Moonlight were still top 10 for me...........Hell or High Water and Manchester By the Sea had great things in them indeed and are in the top 5.......... The Handmaiden (near masterpiece) was my number 1 and I'd like the 2 hours of my life back for Arrival, but different strokes and all that.
This year I have a jump up and down 10/10 at number 1 for 3 Billboards but I'm not seeing anything else that I'll love.........admire, respect, like, sure, but love? Basically there are only 1 or 2 great American films a year to me.......sometimes there's none imo......once in a while you get a 2007 and it's better.......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 16:40:03 GMT
01. Manchester by the Sea - 8.5/10 02. Moonlight - 8/10 03. Hacksaw Ridge - 7/10 04. La La Land - 7/10 05. Hell or High Water - 6/10 06. Fences - 4/10 07. Arrival - 4/10
It's an okay lineup. Haven't seen the Lion or Hidden Figures (and I'm not really in any hurry to do so). Better than 2015 by a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 16:50:09 GMT
Why is Lonergan's work (at least his last two - haven't see enough people talking about YCCOM to count it) so hilariously divisive? They don't seem like the type of movies that normally would be, at least from my experience. Also, Manchester by the Sea > anything from this decade except Mysteries of Lisbon and maybe one or two others. That is all.
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Post by oneflyr on Dec 9, 2017 16:52:36 GMT
Fantastic year for american and foreign film. I don't know why anyone would expect anything other than disappointment from typical oscar bait fare though (sans Mbts and Arrival)
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 9, 2017 17:00:39 GMT
Elle was great until it stopped being about the survival of abuse and became a shallow movie about kinky sex. Pay attention everyone, these are the words of an intelligent person speaking about a subject they fully comprehend. ??? Is this about my comments on the Weinstein thread? Because having that thrown in my face makes me laugh. I simply thought it was a great drama about Elle trying to make the most of her life after trying to put her horrible childhood behind her (while her attempts to do so also hurt her)... but it loses focus once [GAH, WHY DOES THE SPOILER TAG KEEP DELETING WHATEVER I PUT INSIDE OF IT!?!?!?]
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Post by notacrook on Dec 9, 2017 17:09:05 GMT
1) Moonlight - 10/10 2) La La Land - 9/10 3) Manchester by the Sea - 9/10 4) Arrival - 9/10 5) Hell or High Water - 7.5/10 6) Fences - 7.5/10 7) Lion - 7.5/10 8) Hidden Figures - 4.5/10 9) Hacksaw Ridge - 3.5/10
With the exception of those last two, I think it's a very solid line-up.
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 9, 2017 17:13:04 GMT
I think it's a mistake to look at BP as a barometer of the year, Fantastic year for american and foreign film. I don't know why anyone would expect anything other than disappointment from typical oscar bait fare though (sans Mbts and Arrival) Well, to be fair, I'm referring to the year as a whole as well, and it all sucks. The BP lineup is terrible, but nothing from this year really stands out either. There's no soul to anything from '16, in my personal opinion.
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Post by avnermoriarti on Dec 9, 2017 17:46:29 GMT
man i loooved 2016. Antiporno, Resident Evil: The Final Chapter, O.J.: Made in America, Elle, Nocturama, etc. but i think most oscar stuff is pretty overrated for the most part. O.J. was pretty great. Elle was great until it stopped being about the survival of abuse and became a shallow movie about kinky sex. Haven't seen the others. Elle never was about sex abuse survival, there's no sentimentality and begs for our empathy, Michele has many things to deal with her life to let that chapter define her, she's even more cruel than her rapist and to me is more than a just a kinky sex movie, it's a pleasurable and perverse thriller.
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Post by avnermoriarti on Dec 9, 2017 18:05:51 GMT
As many other have said, Oscar lineup is not a good indicador of the year as a whole. I thought it was a pretty unremarkable year for american movies, my vote would gor for Hell or High Water, which functions perfectly as a genre movie but also mirrors a particular sector of america, after that there's a huge gap, and I'd say two of them are actually terrible ( Manchester and Moonlight ).
Paterson, Jackie, Lo and Behold, Certain Women, I Daniel Blake, The Witch, American Honey, Hail Caesar and Silence (with a few reservations) would be my recommendations for english language movies.
But the essentials movies, or at least I found more daring and substantial came from other parts of the world and thinking about it I prefer this year to '17 (so far, or course) and '15.
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 9, 2017 19:00:13 GMT
O.J. was pretty great. Elle was great until it stopped being about the survival of abuse and became a shallow movie about kinky sex. Haven't seen the others. Elle never was about sex abuse survival, there's no sentimentality and begs for our empathy, Michele has many things to deal with her life to let that chapter define her, she's even more cruel than her rapist and to me is more than a just a kinky sex movie, it's a pleasurable and perverse thriller. Did I say sex abuse? This was a great drama about a woman who feels shackled by her past, and no matter how she tries to escape it (much of the time through cruelty as you mentioned), it is an integral part of who she is. I feel that the movie loses sight of that towards the end, loses sight of what made Elle such a fascinating woman. I felt the stuff about the rape was always there to illustrate what was going on in her soul, but the movie stops being about that later on. I admire that the movie can get such different readings out of people, I just wish that it didn't abandon what I felt made her such a great character.
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Post by Feesy on Dec 9, 2017 19:54:26 GMT
You are tough to please. I really liked most of the ones I saw.
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Post by themoviesinner on Dec 9, 2017 21:05:44 GMT
Watch more world cinema dude. Only 2 out of my top 10 of 2016 are films from the U.S. The best picture Oscar lineups are nearly always disappointing, but there are also many great films among the ones that get much less attention. I think 2016 was a very good year for cinema, mainly because of the many non-English films I thought were fantastic.
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Post by Film Socialism on Dec 9, 2017 21:13:43 GMT
Why is Lonergan's work (at least his last two - haven't see enough people talking about YCCOM to count it) so hilariously divisive? They don't seem like the type of movies that normally would be, at least from my experience. Also, Manchester by the Sea > anything from this decade except Mysteries of Lisbon and maybe one or two others. That is all. ive been asking this for years and still never gotten a solid answer
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Post by ingmarhepburn on Dec 9, 2017 23:22:38 GMT
Like avnermoriarti and themoviesinner said, the best films of 2016 were made outside the USA. I'm talking about films such as Toni Erdmann, I Daniel Blake, Elle, Julieta and Aquarius, among others.
Of the Oscar lineup, I only care about Moonlight and Lion. Manchester by the Sea had a good script and solid performances, but it also had some big editing problems (a two-hour film shouldn't feel like a three-hour film).
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Post by jakesully on Dec 9, 2017 23:39:40 GMT
Thought it was a decent enough line up . Hell or High Water is my Best Picture win btw (god I love that film)
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