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Post by avnermoriarti on Dec 10, 2017 7:03:55 GMT
Elle never was about sex abuse survival, there's no sentimentality and begs for our empathy, Michele has many things to deal with her life to let that chapter define her, she's even more cruel than her rapist and to me is more than a just a kinky sex movie, it's a pleasurable and perverse thriller. Did I say sex abuse? This was a great drama about a woman who feels shackled by her past, and no matter how she tries to escape it (much of the time through cruelty as you mentioned), it is an integral part of who she is. I feel that the movie loses sight of that towards the end, loses sight of what made Elle such a fascinating woman. I felt the stuff about the rape was always there to illustrate what was going on in her soul, but the movie stops being about that later on. I admire that the movie can get such different readings out of people, I just wish that it didn't abandon what I felt made her such a great character. Well, I implied that you were talking about that abuse because she's basically playing the cards of every other person that surrounds her, "shackled by her past" is a better way to put it indeed, she's stained by her parents. I don't know exactly what part of the movie you're talking about that loses focus but if by any chance is the "revelation" ( which comes as a surprise because there's half a movie yet to see ) that move for me only increased the suspense and let her character grow and becomes a study of mutual sickness, the two of them with issues that came from different places, at that moment she acknowledge and embraces who she is instead of being haunted by that ( remeber that Lust for Life by Iggy Pop is at every party Michele goes ) Idk, that for me was a ballsy move. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 16:49:35 GMT
1. Moonlight
2. La La Land
3. Arrival
4. Fences
5. Manchester by the Sea
6. Lion
7. Hell or High Water
8. Hidden Figures
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9. Hacksaw Ridge (One of the worst films I've ever seen)
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Post by pessimusreincarnated on Dec 11, 2017 19:32:40 GMT
1. La La Land- 9/10
2. Arrival- 9/10
3. Moonlight- 8.5/10
4. Manchester by the Sea- 8.5/10
5. Hell or High Water- 8-8.5/10
6. Hacksaw Ridge- 7.5/10
7. Fences- 6.5/10
I'll probably never watch the other two.
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 11, 2017 19:51:26 GMT
Did I say sex abuse? This was a great drama about a woman who feels shackled by her past, and no matter how she tries to escape it (much of the time through cruelty as you mentioned), it is an integral part of who she is. I feel that the movie loses sight of that towards the end, loses sight of what made Elle such a fascinating woman. I felt the stuff about the rape was always there to illustrate what was going on in her soul, but the movie stops being about that later on. I admire that the movie can get such different readings out of people, I just wish that it didn't abandon what I felt made her such a great character. Well, I implied that you were talking about that abuse because she's basically playing the cards of every other person that surrounds her, "shackled by her past" is a better way to put it indeed, she's stained by her parents. I don't know exactly what part of the movie you're talking about that loses focus but if by any chance is the "revelation" ( which comes as a surprise because there's half a movie yet to see ) that move for me only increased the suspense and let her character grow and becomes a study of mutual sickness, the two of them with issues that came from different places, at that moment she acknowledge and embraces who she is instead of being haunted by that ( remeber that Lust for Life by Iggy Pop is at every party Michele goes ) Idk, that for me was a ballsy move. I seriously can't get the spoiler tags to work, so I'm gonna use ROT13. Just copy+paste the following into the box here: www.rot13.com That should decipher this. Gur zbzrag gung gur zbivr ybfrf sbphf sbe zr vf jura ure sngure qvrf. Vg'f n cbjreshy, thgjerapuvat zbzrag gung qbrfa'g fvzcyl tvir lbh nafjref nobhg nalguvat, naq V erfcrpg gung. Nsgre vg unccraf, gubhtu... vg whfg tbrf ba. Naq ba. V ernyyl qba'g haqrefgnaq jul vg pbagvahrq guebhtu gur tnzr ynhapu be gur pbagvahrq yvnvfbaf orgjrra ure naq ure arvtuobe. Gurl whfg qvqa'g frrz gb unir n checbfr. Jung jnf gur zbivr fnlvat sebz gurer? V ubarfgyl unir ab pyhr. |
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Post by avnermoriarti on Dec 12, 2017 17:40:06 GMT
Well, I implied that you were talking about that abuse because she's basically playing the cards of every other person that surrounds her, "shackled by her past" is a better way to put it indeed, she's stained by her parents. I don't know exactly what part of the movie you're talking about that loses focus but if by any chance is the "revelation" ( which comes as a surprise because there's half a movie yet to see ) that move for me only increased the suspense and let her character grow and becomes a study of mutual sickness, the two of them with issues that came from different places, at that moment she acknowledge and embraces who she is instead of being haunted by that ( remeber that Lust for Life by Iggy Pop is at every party Michele goes ) Idk, that for me was a ballsy move. I seriously can't get the spoiler tags to work, so I'm gonna use ROT13. Just copy+paste the following into the box here: www.rot13.com That should decipher this. Gur zbzrag gung gur zbivr ybfrf sbphf sbe zr vf jura ure sngure qvrf. Vg'f n cbjreshy, thgjerapuvat zbzrag gung qbrfa'g fvzcyl tvir lbh nafjref nobhg nalguvat, naq V erfcrpg gung. Nsgre vg unccraf, gubhtu... vg whfg tbrf ba. Naq ba. V ernyyl qba'g haqrefgnaq jul vg pbagvahrq guebhtu gur tnzr ynhapu be gur pbagvahrq yvnvfbaf orgjrra ure naq ure arvtuobe. Gurl whfg qvqa'g frrz gb unir n checbfr. Jung jnf gur zbivr fnlvat sebz gurer? V ubarfgyl unir ab pyhr. I'm not very good with the spoiler tags so let's talk the same language: Gur zbivr unf na nve bs zvfgrel ohg abg ernyyl nobhg "jub-qvq-vg?" vg'f zber nobhg jung vg nyy zrnaf naq ubj gur punenpgref qb jung gurl qb naq erfcbaq va pregnva jnlf. Gnxr gur punenpgref nf pelcgvpf gb qrpvcure, gurer ner pyhrf guebhtubhg gung tvir lbh pyhrf naq gur jbaqre bs guvf zbivr vf gung yrnirf zhpu gb hf gb qrpvqr naq qrsvavgryl lbh pna svaq zber zrnavat va erncvgvat ivrjvatf. Vs V tvir lbh n yvgreny erfcbafr bs jung vg zrnag gb zr vg jbhyq or n ovg erqhaqnag ohg sbe rknzcyr gnxr gur png va gur bcravat fprar, vg tvirf na nofheqvfg gbar naq chgf gur zbivr va n qvssrerag pngrtbel, gur jrvtug gur encr unf vf irel qvssrerag gb gur bar vg jbhyq unir va n qvssrerag zbivr, gur inyhr bs gung rirag va guvf cnegvphyne zbivr vf gur fnzr vg unf va Zvpuryr'f urnq, fur ernpgf va n centzngvp jnl, fur hfrf gung rirag gb raevpu ure cebsrffvbany jbex ( gur ivqrbtnzr abg orvat frkhnyyl erny rabhtu), gur nggnpx nppbzzbqngrf jvguva ure cebsrffvbany naq crefbany yvsr ( lbh pna hfr gur fnzr ernfbavat jvgu ureaernygvbafuvc jvgu ure sngure ). Gur fhfcrafr qbrfa'g pbzr sebz jub vf gur nterffbe ohg sebz ure crefban naq gur cnegvphyne jnl fur eryngrf gb gur bgure punenpgref, crefbaf gung nccneragyl yrnq n abezny yvsr ohg fybjyl erirny gurzfryirf nf n ovg qrgngpurq sebz ernyvgl pbagenel gb Zvpuryr jub vs jr whqtr sebz n pbairagvbany zbeny fgnaqneq jbhyq or qrcybenoyr ohg gur zbivr vaireg rirel qvfpbhefr nobhg ivbyrapr naq qrfver. Nf V fnvq gurer ner pyhrf gb ernq ure punenpgre, gur fbat vf bar bs gurz, gurer'f nyfb n zbzrag jura fur fnlf "funzr vf abg n srryvat gung ceriragf zr gb qb jung V jnag", vg'f fbzrguvat fur pna'g fgbc, lbh pna rira fnl fur'f n fbpvbcngu, lbh pna nyfb guvax nobhg gur rebgvp punetr bs Ynfg Gnatb va Cnevf gb sbhaq zber zrnavat. |
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Post by no on Dec 13, 2017 0:44:47 GMT
I seriously can't get the spoiler tags to work, so I'm gonna use ROT13. Just copy+paste the following into the box here: www.rot13.com That should decipher this. Gur zbzrag gung gur zbivr ybfrf sbphf sbe zr vf jura ure sngure qvrf. Vg'f n cbjreshy, thgjerapuvat zbzrag gung qbrfa'g fvzcyl tvir lbh nafjref nobhg nalguvat, naq V erfcrpg gung. Nsgre vg unccraf, gubhtu... vg whfg tbrf ba. Naq ba. V ernyyl qba'g haqrefgnaq jul vg pbagvahrq guebhtu gur tnzr ynhapu be gur pbagvahrq yvnvfbaf orgjrra ure naq ure arvtuobe. Gurl whfg qvqa'g frrz gb unir n checbfr. Jung jnf gur zbivr fnlvat sebz gurer? V ubarfgyl unir ab pyhr. I'm not very good with the spoiler tags so let's talk the same language: Gur zbivr unf na nve bs zvfgrel ohg abg ernyyl nobhg "jub-qvq-vg?" vg'f zber nobhg jung vg nyy zrnaf naq ubj gur punenpgref qb jung gurl qb naq erfcbaq va pregnva jnlf. Gnxr gur punenpgref nf pelcgvpf gb qrpvcure, gurer ner pyhrf guebhtubhg gung tvir lbh pyhrf naq gur jbaqre bs guvf zbivr vf gung yrnirf zhpu gb hf gb qrpvqr naq qrsvavgryl lbh pna svaq zber zrnavat va erncvgvat ivrjvatf. Vs V tvir lbh n yvgreny erfcbafr bs jung vg zrnag gb zr vg jbhyq or n ovg erqhaqnag ohg sbe rknzcyr gnxr gur png va gur bcravat fprar, vg tvirf na nofheqvfg gbar naq chgf gur zbivr va n qvssrerag pngrtbel, gur jrvtug gur encr unf vf irel qvssrerag gb gur bar vg jbhyq unir va n qvssrerag zbivr, gur inyhr bs gung rirag va guvf cnegvphyne zbivr vf gur fnzr vg unf va Zvpuryr'f urnq, fur ernpgf va n centzngvp jnl, fur hfrf gung rirag gb raevpu ure cebsrffvbany jbex ( gur ivqrbtnzr abg orvat frkhnyyl erny rabhtu), gur nggnpx nppbzzbqngrf jvguva ure cebsrffvbany naq crefbany yvsr ( lbh pna hfr gur fnzr ernfbavat jvgu ureaernygvbafuvc jvgu ure sngure ). Gur fhfcrafr qbrfa'g pbzr sebz jub vf gur nterffbe ohg sebz ure crefban naq gur cnegvphyne jnl fur eryngrf gb gur bgure punenpgref, crefbaf gung nccneragyl yrnq n abezny yvsr ohg fybjyl erirny gurzfryirf nf n ovg qrgngpurq sebz ernyvgl pbagenel gb Zvpuryr jub vs jr whqtr sebz n pbairagvbany zbeny fgnaqneq jbhyq or qrcybenoyr ohg gur zbivr vaireg rirel qvfpbhefr nobhg ivbyrapr naq qrfver. Nf V fnvq gurer ner pyhrf gb ernq ure punenpgre, gur fbat vf bar bs gurz, gurer'f nyfb n zbzrag jura fur fnlf "funzr vf abg n srryvat gung ceriragf zr gb qb jung V jnag", vg'f fbzrguvat fur pna'g fgbc, lbh pna rira fnl fur'f n fbpvbcngu, lbh pna nyfb guvax nobhg gur rebgvp punetr bs Ynfg Gnatb va Cnevf gb sbhaq zber zrnavat. No Arabic please |
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