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Post by pacinoyes on May 20, 2022 15:49:03 GMT
Because guys who have an Oscar are different from Alec Baldwin dispshit - the guys who have a BA Oscar (especially) AND have Triple Crown nods tend to be named Paul Newman, Jack Lemmon, Al Pacino, George C. Scott - getit? - ....... Why do you keep trying to sell "triple crown nominations" as if it's something that matters when comparing great actors . It needs to be contextualised to matter. The easiest thing to do in the world is rack up Emmy Nominations if you are in a long-running show that they like. Alec Baldwin has 22 "triple crown nominations " (the vast majority of them yearly repeat Emmy nods for 30 Rock and Saturday Night Live). Baldwin is fine actor and a talented man, but 22 "triple crown" nominations (including lone Oscar and Tony nods) doesn't put him in "greatest of all-time actor conversations".
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Post by pupdurcs on May 20, 2022 15:55:45 GMT
Tsk, tsk.....just making a reasonable and polite point, old chap. No need to resort to nasty language and insults. So sensitive.lol! I'm still right though. Baldwin being an Oscar and Tony nominee puts him in that kind of category as the actors you mentioned, if your Triple Crown schitck really mattered. He's not, and we all know it because whether you are an Oscar winner or nominee, it's just too easy to rack up Emmy nods in an ongoing series for playing the same role or depending on the category, so counting it as some equivalent achievement next to Oscar and Tony nods is pretty stupid, imho.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2022 16:12:51 GMT
Tsk, tsk.....just making a reasonable and polite point, old chap. No need to resort to nasty language and insults. So sensitive.lol! I'm still right though. Baldwin being an Oscar and Tony nominee puts him in that kind of category as the actors you mentioned, if your Triple Crown schitck really mattered. He's not, and we all know it because whether you are an Oscar winner or nominee, it's just too easy to rack up Emmy nods in an ongoing series for playing the same role or depending on the category, so counting it as some equivalent achievement next to Oscar and Tony nods is pretty stupid, imho. Acting in episodic television is much different than acting in film, though - it's rare for actors to even attempt both - that's why when someone is recognized as being great at both, it's truly an achievement.
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Post by stephen on May 20, 2022 16:13:53 GMT
Tsk, tsk.....just making a reasonable and polite point, old chap. No need to resort to nasty language and insults. So sensitive.lol! I'm still right though. Baldwin being an Oscar and Tony nominee puts him in that kind of category as the actors you mentioned, if your Triple Crown schitck really mattered. He's not, and we all know it because whether you are an Oscar winner or nominee, it's just too easy to rack up Emmy nods in an ongoing series for playing the same role or depending on the category, so counting it as some equivalent achievement next to Oscar and Tony nods is pretty stupid, imho. Acting in episodic television is much different than acting in film, though - it's rare for actors to even attempt both - that's why when someone is recognized as being great at both, it's truly an achievement. While this is true, there is something to be said for the sheer laziness of television voters to go based off of name recognition. If you're an A-list movie star, you're almost guaranteed an Emmy nomination for whatever you do, regardless of its quality.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2022 16:18:22 GMT
stephen - Hm... I'm not sure this is necessarily true - obviously name recognition will put eyes on a project, but the stellar reviews do have to be there. Julianne Moore missed for Lisey's Story, Nicole Kidman missed for The Undoing... two examples just off the top of my head.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 20, 2022 16:19:52 GMT
Tsk, tsk.....just making a reasonable and polite point, old chap. No need to resort to nasty language and insults. So sensitive.lol! I'm still right though. Baldwin being an Oscar and Tony nominee puts him in that kind of category as the actors you mentioned, if your Triple Crown schitck really mattered. He's not, and we all know it because whether you are an Oscar winner or nominee, it's just too easy to rack up Emmy nods in an ongoing series for playing the same role or depending on the category, so counting it as some equivalent achievement next to Oscar and Tony nods is pretty stupid, imho. Acting in episodic television is much different than acting in film, though - it's rare for actors to even attempt both - that's why when someone is recognized as being great at both, it's truly an achievement. Ehh...it really depends. You can do the same schitcky thing every season on some show and the Emmys will nominate you every year, but it doesn't make you a "great actor". Jim Parsons has like 10 Emmy Nominations, most of them for a repetitive schtick he honed and voters liked on The Big Bang Theory. But I don't think that Emmy love makes him a great actor. Same with my Susan Lucci example. On the other hand, someone like Bryan Cranston was Emmy nominated yearly for the same role and was a great actor.
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Post by stephen on May 20, 2022 16:23:46 GMT
stephen - Hm... I'm not sure this is necessarily true - obviously name recognition will put eyes on a project, but the stellar reviews do have to be there. Julianne Moore missed for Lisey's Story, Nicole Kidman missed for The Undoing... two examples just off the top of my head. I did caveat it with "almost." But to answer your examples, Nicole Kidman missed out in a year where almost every one of the nominees was an A-lister (Kate Winslet) or were in a very beloved property (Anya Taylor-Joy, Michaela Coel, Elizabeth Olsen). Cynthia Erivo was also running on the momentum of her Oscar nomination and playing a beloved real-life figure. Kidman missing here could be considered a shock but that was a tough field to break in and aside from Michaela Coel (arguable, considering she is fairly well-known in the UK), the rest of those nominees were big names. Lisey's Story, no one saw and I don't think Apple TV+ promoted it at all. Put that on a network like HBO, though, and she probably does get a lot more attention.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2022 16:26:00 GMT
pupdurcs - I guess I think specifically of Glenn Close and Helen Mirren - amazing leading actresses in film, episodic television, and on stage - in that respect, I really do think the "Triple Crown" label makes a difference when considering GOAT status.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 20, 2022 16:28:39 GMT
Tsk, tsk.....just making a reasonable and polite point, old chap. No need to resort to nasty language and insults. So sensitive.lol! I'm still right though. Baldwin being an Oscar and Tony nominee puts him in that kind of category as the actors you mentioned, if your Triple Crown schitck really mattered. He's not, and we all know it because whether you are an Oscar winner or nominee, it's just too easy to rack up Emmy nods in an ongoing series for playing the same role or depending on the category, so counting it as some equivalent achievement next to Oscar and Tony nods is pretty stupid, imho. Acting in episodic television is much different than acting in film, though - it's rare for actors to even attempt both - that's why when someone is recognized as being great at both, it's truly an achievement.Obviously true ^ - especially in the current era - that's why Gandolfini / Cranstion are held in regard comparable to film performances - because they arc their character for YEARS...........it's a skill.....not unlike theater actors playing a role repeatedly over years Also - just as I said - I specified Oscar winner anyway to eliiminate guys like Cranston, Gandolfini and Baldwin - it's not to dismiss guys who get Emmy nods - it's just a way to assess guys that are playing on that 3 level thing.......it speaks a lot to work ethic......to look at Glenn Close or Kathy Bates and not factor in Triple Crown nominations at all is totally wrong, their career included work in those areas and they worked HARD in those areas. It's not the only thing of course..........but it is a metric.......... A thing in general, not a just pacinoyes thing
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Post by pupdurcs on May 20, 2022 16:29:01 GMT
Acting in episodic television is much different than acting in film, though - it's rare for actors to even attempt both - that's why when someone is recognized as being great at both, it's truly an achievement. While this is true, there is something to be said for the sheer laziness of television voters to go based off of name recognition. If you're an A-list movie star, you're almost guaranteed an Emmy nomination for whatever you do, regardless of its quality. I actually disagree with this. The limited series categories and television films categories are actually the categories that Emmy voters seem to actually watch and give the most consideration to when voting (at least in the last 5 or 6 years or so) because it's so damned competitive (particularly in projects led by actresses, as all the A-list movie actresses have jumped into the medium). Looking at how many A-list movie performers have jumped into that category in the last few years and missed Emmy Nominations ( Julia Roberts, Anne Hathaway, Julianne Moore etc).It's with ongoing shows that they really get lazy and just tick the same names every year (like Julia Louise Dreyfuss or Jim Parsons or Alec Baldwin).
The days when "movie stars " were easy Emmy namechecks when they deigned to do a limited series or TV movie are long over, because they are competing with so many other movie stars and they can't nominate all of them.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 20, 2022 16:49:24 GMT
Tsk, tsk.....just making a reasonable and polite point, old chap. No need to resort to nasty language and insults. So sensitive.lol! I'm still right though. Baldwin being an Oscar and Tony nominee puts him in that kind of category as the actors you mentioned, if your Triple Crown schitck really mattered. He's not, and we all know it because whether you are an Oscar winner or nominee, it's just too easy to rack up Emmy nods in an ongoing series for playing the same role or depending on the category, so counting it as some equivalent achievement next to Oscar and Tony nods is pretty stupid, imho. Acting in episodic television is much different than acting in film, though - it's rare for actors to even attempt both - that's why when someone is recognized as being great at both, it's truly an achievement. I don't discount great ongoing TV performances at all, but you have to factor in the long history of television where doing episodic TV was regarded as a grind and perceived as something for movie stars to avoid. You still have a situation where some of the most revered film actors in the world would never be caught dead doing an ongoing, episodic TV show. Daniel Day-Lewis, Leonardo DiCaprio, Christian Bale, Tom Hanks, Denzel Washington etc.And the likes of Hanks and Washington came up through the ranks of episodic TV in the 80's. But it was only as a means to an end to get movie careers, where they would never have to do it again. A lot of episodic TV (particularly on network TV) doesn't demand much of you as an actor. Vincent D'onfrio is one of the most gifted character actors alive, but he did 8 seasons of Law And Order mainly to collect a steady paycheck, not because he felt he was doing anything challenging as an actor. The Cranstons and Gandolfinis getting ongoing shows that are exceptionally written and utilise their gifts to the fullest are the exceptions, not the rule, imho.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 20, 2022 17:00:43 GMT
pupdurcs - I guess I think specifically of Glenn Close and Helen Mirren - amazing leading actresses in film, episodic television, and on stage - in that respect, I really do think the "Triple Crown" label makes a difference when considering GOAT status. In those instances, I judge the quality of the performances, not their acknowledgement by the Emmy Academy or "triple crown " status, because ultimately it's just too easy to get namecheck Emmy Nominations every year in a series well liked by Emmy voters. I mean shit, most people thought the last season of Game Of Thrones was trash and it still won the Best Drama Emmy because of the namecheck culture at the Emmys with ongoing shows.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 26, 2022 16:44:51 GMT
Yeah, Mr Triple Crown is done. His "comeback " looked terrible anyway, but I think this news completely kills any chance of him trying to worm his way back into the industry at a substantial level. And those investors who risked financing new movies with him in it are total idiots, as the guy is always going to be a massive liability.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 16:48:19 GMT
Yeah, Mr Triple Crown is done. He doesn't have an Emmy, though.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 26, 2022 16:53:50 GMT
Yeah, Mr Triple Crown is done. He doesn't have an Emmy, though. Sorry, I should have said Mr Triple Crown Nominations is done
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Post by Pavan on Aug 1, 2023 5:08:23 GMT
He must have some powerful friends. In all seriousness he is still cancelled and i really doubt Hollywood would offer him roles.
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Post by Martin Stett on Aug 1, 2023 13:53:40 GMT
He must have some powerful friends. In all seriousness he is still cancelled and i really doubt Hollywood would offer him roles. Well, half of the people who accuse him wind up dead within a couple months, and I doubt the jury wanted to be part of that statistic.
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Post by Barbie on Aug 4, 2023 17:20:51 GMT
He must have some powerful friends. In all seriousness he is still cancelled and i really doubt Hollywood would offer him roles. Well, half of the people who accuse him wind up dead within a couple months, and I doubt the jury wanted to be part of that statistic. My theory is Bryan Singer helped him out
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Post by Schiggy on Aug 16, 2023 3:29:32 GMT
I misread the title as Spacek and was like SHE DID WHAT
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Post by JangoB on Oct 17, 2023 10:19:30 GMT
Spacey Does Shakespeare:
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 17, 2023 13:21:13 GMT
Wait just a goddamn minute: Is Shakespeare a Conservative or a Liberal - because the TToM was clearly a film "about Trump" but Douglas Murray is clearly Hitler a Conservative .........I don't know where I stand on these historical Western white males ........ Happy belated Columbus Day btw ..........I mean Indigenous Peoples' Day ......... Side note: Spacey got nominated for a Drama Desk Award for his Richard III once so he (was) no joke in Biilly Shakes - directed by (overrated) Sam Mendes btw........but I guess he had more time to prepare back then and didn't need the note cards for Richard........but that was actually kind of cool ^ .........unless I'll be judged harshly for saying that........um
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 25, 2023 2:20:28 GMT
Of course pacinoyes posts this - Right Wing bastard (sarcasm, comrade) - also btw I still don't think Tucker Carlson is necessarily a racist - and when he talks finance - he's pratically Bernie Sanders ffs....so bite me ......but mostly Merry Christmas ......and enjoy um if you can it's quite surreal anyway I give you Frank Underwood 2024 .........
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