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Post by jimmalone on Sept 3, 2017 15:31:44 GMT
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Post by jimmalone on Sept 3, 2017 15:42:32 GMT
Totally agree with you on Shapovalov. He’s untested and inexperienced, it’s very rare that those newbie players crack through upon debut (although like in the video in my OP, it did happen to Vee in her 3rd slam). No disrespect to the WTA and their great players, but the ATP is a totally different kind of animal, especially in the last 15 years with that Golden Generation on the top of it. It's pretty tough to come through in early years. Even a supertalent like Grigor Dimitrov needed so much time to show the results so many people expected. I wouldn't have expected Sascha Zverev to have the year he had. And while I know he was probably coming through at some point, if you had told me one year ago, that Shapovalov would reach the 4th round at the 2017 US Open, them being his second slam, and being on the verge of the Top 50 (hell, if he wins today, he will be #42 at worst) I would have said: No. |
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Post by ChairfaceC on Sept 3, 2017 16:09:22 GMT
Busta/Shapo: Busta's been one of my favorites for a while, so I'd love to see him win, but Shapo is so much fun to watch and I'm not against seeing him continue. Still think Busta could win just on experience/consistency.
Pooey/Schwartzman: Schwartzman is like my favorite person right now, and Pooey doesn't really do anything for me, so really hoping Diego can keep the dream alive like the tiny angel he is.
Uncle Sam/Mischa: The American that matters vs the Zverev I care about. I'm pulling for Mischa to S&V his way to the title. Love watching him play.
Anderson/Lorenzi: People have been talking about how crazy this half of the draw is, but Lorenzi's really the one that confuses me the most. Mr. Anderson should have it easy I think given his form.
Mugu/Petra: I'll root for Petra against everyone but Mugu, cause I want her to get that #1. Still wouldn't be mad at all if Kvitova won, though. I want the winner of this to win the title, though.
Venus/Navarro: Obviously team Vee all the way. Would love to see her repeat Serena's double birthday bagel. Nothing against Crosby Stills&Nash, but never over Her.
Sevastova/Meldonium: I'm not totally on the Maria Hate Train, cause I have kinda enjoyed having a villain on the tour, but I do want to see her get destroyed at some point. Whether it's here or later makes no difference to me.
Goerges/Stephens: Stephens is in the Kvitova camp of people I'm so happy just to have back that I want them to win everything. She's been totally killing it this whole hard court swing so hopefully she can keep it up.
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Post by wendy on Sept 3, 2017 16:55:29 GMT
Totally agree with you on Shapovalov. He’s untested and inexperienced, it’s very rare that those newbie players crack through upon debut (although like in the video in my OP, it did happen to Vee in her 3rd slam). No disrespect to the WTA and their great players, but the ATP is a totally different kind of animal, especially in the last 15 years with that Golden Generation on the top of it. It's pretty tough to come through in early years. Even a supertalent like Grigor Dimitrov needed so much time to show the results so many people expected. I wouldn't have expected Sascha Zverev to have the year he had. And while I know he was probably coming through at some point, if you had told me one year ago, that Shapovalov would reach the 4th round at the 2017 US Open, them being his second slam, and being on the verge of the Top 50 (hell, if he wins today, he will be #42 at worst) I would have said: No. That's definitely true now, although I think back then it was tough for newbies to come through in the WTA too (which is why so much was made of that final with Venus vs Hingis, a 17 year old and a 16 year old). They already had a freakishly successful teenager in Hingis and I don't think people expected another to come through as well.. Venus' run was surprising then because '97 was a great era for women's tennis and she was barely inside the top 100... you still had GOATs Graf/Seles in peak form, Sanchez Vicario, Novotná, Martinez, Fernandez, Huber, Koetzer, Mary Pierce, Davenport, etc... and the young ones breaking through didn't seem like Ostapenkos, they regularly played well and beat peak form players with complete confidence. As you say though, overall it's completely different (especially today with really only 1 truly super dominant player as opposed to the 4-5 mens). It's not looking great for Shapovalov, but i'm fine iwth that because Carreno Busta is wonderful and has nerves of steel. Regardless of this match, if he doesn't get injured I can see him quickly outranking Kyrgios and co. as far as young players with the game to win big and climb the rankings. |
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Post by ibbi on Sept 3, 2017 17:23:22 GMT
The last shred of light just faded out of the bottom half of the mens draw with that breaker -_-
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Post by jimmalone on Sept 3, 2017 17:52:20 GMT
That's definitely true now, although I think back then it was tough for newbies to come through in the WTA too (which is why so much was made of that final with Venus vs Hingis, a 17 year old and a 16 year old). They already had a freakishly successful teenager in Hingis and I don't think people expected another to come through as well.. Venus' run was surprising then because '97 was a great era for women's tennis and she was barely inside the top 100... you still had GOATs Graf/Seles in peak form, Sanchez Vicario, Novotná, Martinez, Fernandez, Huber, Koetzer, Mary Pierce, Davenport, etc... and the young ones breaking through didn't seem like Ostapenkos, they regularly played well and beat peak form players with complete confidence. As you say though, overall it's completely different (especially today with really only 1 truly super dominant player as opposed to the 4-5 mens). It's not looking great for Shapovalov, but i'm fine iwth that because Carreno Busta is wonderful and has nerves of steel. Regardless of this match, if he doesn't get injured I can see him quickly outranking Kyrgios and co. as far as young players with the game to win big and climb the rankings. I think for women the density was bigger back then as now and the reverse is through for the men. It always changes. I think after Roger, Rafa, Novak and Murray (and the likes of Wawrinka, del Potro Tsonga, Monfils and so on) are gone we will see a dip in level of play for the men again. As in the years between 2001 and 2005. For the women's tennis of the last decade it was really a shame that Henin and Clijsters ended their careers so early. With them playing on the fans probably could have enjoyed a more similiar circuit to the men's. Three or four (if you include Sharapova) players, that share most of the slams. And you still would have your eventual other winners like Kuznetsova, Kvitova or even the Stosurs and Kerbers as well. A facet that I actually quite like about the WTA, that it is far more open. You can see that Shapovalov is not ready. Too many mistakes, still much raw talent. I like what I see. He plays already more clever than similar talents at this age and while he searches the winning shot too often, he is still more patient than the likes of Kyrgios or Sock. He moves well and his forehand as well as his backhand seem technical good, while still a bit inconsistent. I agree that he will be more successful than many of his generation, hopefully especially as Kyrgios, who hasn't the right work ethics (and not the right character, though you probably can be successful despite this flaw) for this sport in my opinion. |
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Post by wendy on Sept 3, 2017 18:23:00 GMT
That's definitely true now, although I think back then it was tough for newbies to come through in the WTA too (which is why so much was made of that final with Venus vs Hingis, a 17 year old and a 16 year old). They already had a freakishly successful teenager in Hingis and I don't think people expected another to come through as well.. Venus' run was surprising then because '97 was a great era for women's tennis and she was barely inside the top 100... you still had GOATs Graf/Seles in peak form, Sanchez Vicario, Novotná, Martinez, Fernandez, Huber, Koetzer, Mary Pierce, Davenport, etc... and the young ones breaking through didn't seem like Ostapenkos, they regularly played well and beat peak form players with complete confidence. As you say though, overall it's completely different (especially today with really only 1 truly super dominant player as opposed to the 4-5 mens). It's not looking great for Shapovalov, but i'm fine iwth that because Carreno Busta is wonderful and has nerves of steel. Regardless of this match, if he doesn't get injured I can see him quickly outranking Kyrgios and co. as far as young players with the game to win big and climb the rankings. I think for women the density was bigger back then as now and the reverse is through for the men. It always changes. I think after Roger, Rafa, Novak and Murray (and the likes of Wawrinka, del Potro Tsonga, Monfils and so on) are gone we will see a dip in level of play for the men again. As in the years between 2001 and 2005. For the women's tennis of the last decade it was really a shame that Henin and Clijsters ended their careers so early. With them playing on the fans probably could have enjoyed a more similiar circuit to the men's. Three or four (if you include Sharapova) players, that share most of the slams. And you still would have your eventual other winners like Kuznetsova, Kvitova or even the Stosurs and Kerbers as well. A facet that I actually quite like about the WTA, that it is far more open. You can see that Shapovalov is not ready. Too many mistakes, still much raw talent. I like what I see. He plays already more clever than similar talents at this age and while he searches the winning shot too often, he is still more patient than the likes of Kyrgios or Sock. He moves well and his forehand as well as his backhand seem technical good, while still a bit inconsistent. I agree that he will be more successful than many of his generation, hopefully especially as Kyrgios, who hasn't the right work ethics (and not the right character, though you probably can be successful despite this flaw) for this sport in my opinion. Fair point honey. It's hard to miss Henin after all the poor sportsmanship but she was indeed a strong competitor, and wasn't an early peaker necessarily (even though she retired quite young)... one gets the feeling she could have stayed another 2-3 years at least. Clijsters on the other hand could have gone on further and further I believe. Especially after coming back to such HUGE success. I think her priorities were elsewhere but it's clear she still loves tennis (as can be seen in the 'legends' games she plays and her recent essays and speeches). I think those two, as well as maybe Davenport, got sick of the Williamses and when the new crop (Sharapova, Jankovic, Kuznetsova, etc.) started coming in, they just felt it was time to retire on their $$$$ and start families. Carreno Busta's composition is really impressive to me. He barely looks winded even after a tough fight, and seems to be able to forget a really bad game immediately. He had one or two that were really awful, and just put them behind him to kill the next one. Very impressive, especially with the crowd clearly not on his side. Shapovalov definitely needs to improve his netplay, but again he's so young that i'm sure if he can stay healthy, a couple tournaments in and he'll be cracking the top 20. |
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Post by ibbi on Sept 3, 2017 22:09:10 GMT
Schwartzman is a fucking superhero. He was even better today than against Cilic. I reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally hope his leg is alright, but judging by his reaction after the match he'll be lucky to even come out and play in the next round.
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Post by ChairfaceC on Sept 3, 2017 22:16:07 GMT
Schwartzman is a fucking superhero. He was even better today than against Cilic. I reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally hope his leg is alright, but judging by his reaction after the match he'll be lucky to even come out and play in the next round. You shut your mouth he's gonna come out and he's gonna win and then he's gonna win twice more. Because he is the greatest. |
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Post by wendy on Sept 4, 2017 0:17:14 GMT
A few wins in the women's today!  - Queen Veesus into yet another QF. Iffy second set, but the first set was confident and strong and the final set (6 games in a row for Queenus) is some of the best tennis she's played in the tournament so far (there was a volley-a-thon between her and CSN that was the point of the tournament, too). Once again she's peaking at just the right time... if she'd only improve that serve even more she'd be unstoppable. Happy birthday to Carl btw! She's a nice girl. - Slam Stephens (looking beautiful btw - but how does she play with false lashes!?!?) still fighting fit after a 3-setter and a likely semifinalist over 'hot stove' Sevastova... -....who we have to congratulate on eliminating Meldonium!! It was a bizarre match (Stove literally has zero power and hits a drop shot every second point, Masha just smashes it all over the place)... but nonetheless Satan returns to Russia and tennis is saved.  Since the scheduling has been so fucking slow and late i'll probably miss most of the Muguruthless/Kvitty Kat match, but that's sure to be a great one. Men's: - Scared for Schwartzman's leg.  Hopefully he's playing last in the next lineup but that looked really bad. I was shocked he pulled out all that great tennis. I'm sad Pooey is gone but he lost to the better player today. - Wtf is going on with Anderson/Lorenzi? Let's wrap this up Ands. |
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Post by wendy on Sept 4, 2017 16:23:04 GMT
Pliskova finally playing Top 10 level tennis. Wouldn't go so far as to say "she finally playing like a #1!" like the commentators were, but this level is enough to steamroll her easy-as-fuck draw. I don't know why she wasn't playing like this all along but it should at least make her next matches interesting to watch. Still wouldn't guarantee her a final spot considering she has to get through Keys/Svito, but this is more confident. And about time.
Looks like Kvitova tore Muguruza's confidence to absolute shreds. Garbanzo been going into these matches like a boxer or something, perfect game and complete confidence. Queen Petra exposed all her weaknesses and capitalised on her frustrations perfectly. A bravura display of tennis and an example of how to dismantle an expected champion with your tennis IQ.
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Post by ChairfaceC on Sept 4, 2017 18:57:17 GMT
I hate tarps.
Hopefully Rublev can take out Rafa though. I don't like him but it's one of my favorite movies so I'm willing to pretend.
God mode Querrey is terrifying and if he continues to bring that he could win. Which I don't hate.
Svito/Keys and Domi/Delpo are the only matches I'm really interested in today. I'm 100% on board with any of them winning their matches. Interested to see who looks more likely to knock out Roger (assuming my boy Phil doesn't get it done today) of the Domi/Delpo match up. Cause I just really want that to happen.
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Post by wendy on Sept 4, 2017 20:42:30 GMT
I hate tarps. Hopefully Rublev can take out Rafa though. I don't like him but it's one of my favorite movies so I'm willing to pretend. God mode Querrey is terrifying and if he continues to bring that he could win. Which I don't hate. Svito/Keys and Domi/Delpo are the only matches I'm really interested in today. I'm 100% on board with any of them winning their matches. Interested to see who looks more likely to knock out Roger (assuming my boy Phil doesn't get it done today) of the Domi/Delpo match up. Cause I just really want that to happen. Yep! Yesterday was a thrill (both in terms of matchplay and results too!) but today the schedule is a little dullsville. Same matches you're looking forward to, for me as well. Svito / Keys is going to be very telling because it's likely the winner of that match will have to be the one to take out Plisk, who has found her form at the eleventh hour. I love Svito but it would be very cool to have an all USA semis at the US Open... Coco v Keys, Venus v Stephens. Don't have a horse in the race between Thiem and Delpo, but it should at least be an interesting matchup... conventional wisdom favours Thiem but Delop is loving his resurgence here and would love another QF. I watched Rafa comfortably routine Dog today, I think he's looking really dangerous. Much as i'd love to see someone new take it. |
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Post by wendy on Sept 6, 2017 2:26:27 GMT
I am on life support after that final set.  BUT WE'RE IN ANOTHER SEMI!!!!! Congrats to Petra on a great match too.  |
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Post by Lubezki on Sept 6, 2017 2:40:21 GMT
I am on life support after that final set. BUT WE'RE IN ANOTHER SEMI!!!!! Congrats to Petra on a great match too. My heart couldn't take it. Great match!! Champion mentality reigned supreme. <3 |
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Post by ibbi on Sept 6, 2017 17:28:45 GMT
I love that the pressure is all going to be on Madison Don't Call Me Choker Keys to round out this all american quartet. You wouldn't think she could blow it after her last 2 strong wins, but you never knowwwww.
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Post by jimmalone on Sept 6, 2017 19:26:20 GMT
Fair point honey. It's hard to miss Henin after all the poor sportsmanship but she was indeed a strong competitor, and wasn't an early peaker necessarily (even though she retired quite young)... one gets the feeling she could have stayed another 2-3 years at least. Clijsters on the other hand could have gone on further and further I believe. Especially after coming back to such HUGE success. I think her priorities were elsewhere but it's clear she still loves tennis (as can be seen in the 'legends' games she plays and her recent essays and speeches). I think those two, as well as maybe Davenport, got sick of the Williamses and when the new crop (Sharapova, Jankovic, Kuznetsova, etc.) started coming in, they just felt it was time to retire on their $$$$ and start families. Well, I miss Henin. She wasn't very likeable, but easily more likeable than the Williams sisters for me (especially as Serena) and stylistical there just wasn't a female player who was better to watch. Clijsters had always made clear, that for her having children was more important than tennis. The women's tournament now has become fast very disappointing with Venus beating Kvitova. And also Coco through. Would hope that Stephens would lift the trophy now, but I don't see it. |
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Post by jimmalone on Sept 6, 2017 19:30:50 GMT
Solid performance by Rafa today. But much of the result is due to Rublev making so many errors.
It's a pity that Federer - del Potro starts so late tonight (not before 2.30 AM at my time). Don't know if I'll try to stay up or record it and watch it tomorrow.
Hopefully del Potro can challenge Federer and I'd absolutely love if Juan could beat him. Which could happen if he plays like the last two sets against Thiem, but I just don't see it.
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Post by wendy on Sept 6, 2017 21:18:27 GMT
Fair point honey. It's hard to miss Henin after all the poor sportsmanship but she was indeed a strong competitor, and wasn't an early peaker necessarily (even though she retired quite young)... one gets the feeling she could have stayed another 2-3 years at least. Clijsters on the other hand could have gone on further and further I believe. Especially after coming back to such HUGE success. I think her priorities were elsewhere but it's clear she still loves tennis (as can be seen in the 'legends' games she plays and her recent essays and speeches). I think those two, as well as maybe Davenport, got sick of the Williamses and when the new crop (Sharapova, Jankovic, Kuznetsova, etc.) started coming in, they just felt it was time to retire on their $$$$ and start families. Well, I miss Henin. She wasn't very likeable, but easily more likeable than the Williams sisters for me (especially as Serena) and stylistical there just wasn't a female player who was better to watch. Clijsters had always made clear, that for her having children was more important than tennis. The women's tournament now has become fast very disappointing with Venus beating Kvitova. And also Coco through. Would hope that Stephens would lift the trophy now, but I don't see it. Henin more likeable than the Williams sisters?  With those horrible line calls, faking injuries during matches, the doping allegations, her delay tactics and ball toss, yelling "Allez!" when her opponent missed, the infamous 2003 "hand" incident v Serena, her constantly whining about Clijsters in interviews (even after retirement), the tacky reality shows, her bratty and totally unnecessary retirement in the 2006 AO final when she was losing against Mauresmo (hurt tummy? lol), she even admitted that she cheated on a line call at the '04 AO finals against Clijsters (on an important point that cost Kim the match). Not to mention her inconsistent gameplay and dry as hell personality. Likeable where? I guess I appreciate that she represented for the short, quick girls (no wonder she was better on clay) and she was good competition for like.... 4-5 years? (Could maybe have lasted longer in her second run). The one handed backhand was truly great, that I will give her. But I think even Henin knows she was a dirty and inconsistent player. She was also simply never as good as the Williamses and I never found her as interesting to watch as some of her contemporaries (though I do generally like the serve-and-volley style). Hingis also had a few short, bratty, controversial peak years but at least she shook things up a lot and had personality. Venus beating Kvitova made the women's draw disappointing?  Who could be disappointed about such a great, hard-fought and palpably intense match? (from both women). Arguably the best of the tournament. The better player won and she has been the best player at slams this year (20-3). What were you disappointed about? Quality tennis?  I also wasn't rooting for Coco but to be fair she deserved her win today. She played very strong service games and Karolina didn't really show up, in fact her whole run here at the US Open has seemed very low-energy, I wonder if the issue is just the pressure of being #1 or something else. I'm surprised her exit wasn't earlier. Congrats to ibbi as Garbiñe is now #1. I will be disappointed if Keys loses to Kanepi (as sweet as her comeback story is), mostly because I know Madison can beat Coco and give a more exciting Final (against either woman) than either Kanepi or Coco probably will. |
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Post by ibbi on Sept 6, 2017 21:45:20 GMT
Dear Wendell, I thank you for your congrats, but alas cannot accept them after the hate filled assault on the great Yoostine Ennen. Watching that miserable little bitch whoop Serena, Venus, and Kuznetsova's asses one after the other at the 2007 USO was one of the greatest pleasures of my tennis watching life.
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Post by wendy on Sept 6, 2017 22:01:41 GMT
Dear Wendell, I thank you for your congrats, but alas cannot accept them after the hate filled assault on the great Yoostine Ennen. Watching that miserable little bitch whoop Serena, Venus, and Kuznetsova's asses one after the other at the 2007 USO was one of the greatest pleasures of my tennis watching life. Mmmmmm but did I lie?? She was such a grubby player. Seriously though I probably would have been a fan if she wasn't such a poor sportswoman and awful competitor (I usually like a good racquet player). Ah well. You enjoy your 2007 USO run (and none of them had to fake an injury or retire to her when they were losing!!!), and i'll enjoy Vee's 7-2 head to head against her (including that bagel in the Wimbledon final) and her 20year+ career. |
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Post by ibbi on Sept 6, 2017 22:15:22 GMT
Dear Wendell, I thank you for your congrats, but alas cannot accept them after the hate filled assault on the great Yoostine Ennen. Watching that miserable little bitch whoop Serena, Venus, and Kuznetsova's asses one after the other at the 2007 USO was one of the greatest pleasures of my tennis watching life. Mmmmmm but did I lie?? She was such a grubby player. Seriously though I probably would have been a fan if she wasn't such a poor sportswoman and awful competitor (I usually like a good racquet player). Ah well. You enjoy your 2007 USO run (and none of them had to fake an injury or retire to her when they were losing!!!), and i'll enjoy Vee's 7-2 head to head against her (including that bagel in the Wimbledon final) and her 20year+ career. Venus and Serena's constant "I didn't play well today, I can beat anyone in the whole wide world when I want to" in every press conference every time they lost a match for seemingly the first decade of their careers-ish was pretty awful too. Pretty much put me off them both for life. |
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Post by ChairfaceC on Sept 6, 2017 22:36:18 GMT
I appreciate Coco getting Mugu to #1. I'll appreciate even more if she doesn't win the next match.
Praying Delpo can take out Roger again. And then Rafa. Please.
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Post by wendy on Sept 7, 2017 2:29:03 GMT
Mmmmmm but did I lie?? She was such a grubby player. Seriously though I probably would have been a fan if she wasn't such a poor sportswoman and awful competitor (I usually like a good racquet player). Ah well. You enjoy your 2007 USO run (and none of them had to fake an injury or retire to her when they were losing!!!), and i'll enjoy Vee's 7-2 head to head against her (including that bagel in the Wimbledon final) and her 20year+ career. Venus and Serena's constant "I didn't play well today, I can beat anyone in the whole wide world when I want to" in every press conference every time they lost a match for seemingly the first decade of their careers-ish was pretty awful too. Pretty much put me off them both for life. I don't even remember that (although there was the 'beating a male player' thing when they were teenagers that embarrassed them) but... that's the best you've got? That put you off them for life, but not everything Henin did that I mentioned? Like actually cheating in matches? Saying she doesn't want Clijsters to win another grand slam ever (after she retired and Clijsters came back from maternity leave)?  You are such a hater. ANYWAY, good showing from Madison, I was nervous she wouldn't pull it off and then have to answer interviews about letting down the US contingent. She needed an easy match today because I don't know how she still has anything left in the tank after her season and the long, late matches... but I believe she can top Coco again. I have to leave the TV for work but I'm praaaying Del Potro can pull this one off. The commentators in the Nadal match (and in the interview) were blowing so much smoke up him and Federer, trying to push him to say he wants to play him even though Delpo is his fellow Spaniard.... did they forget that Del Potro is a former champion here? So annoying. This second set is looking good but i'm aware that Federer can dig himself out of a hole at any time. I think Delpo and Carreno Busta would actually make a wonderful final match. |
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Hopefully he's playing last in the next lineup but that looked really bad. I was shocked he pulled out all that great tennis. I'm sad Pooey is gone but he lost to the better player today.
With those horrible line calls, faking injuries during matches, the doping allegations, her delay tactics and ball toss, yelling "Allez!" when her opponent missed, the infamous 2003 "hand" incident v Serena, her constantly whining about Clijsters in interviews (even after retirement), the tacky reality shows, her bratty and totally unnecessary retirement in the 2006 AO final when she was losing against Mauresmo (hurt tummy? lol), she even admitted that she cheated on a line call at the '04 AO finals against Clijsters (on an important point that cost Kim the match). 
Who could be disappointed about such a great, hard-fought and palpably intense match? (from both women). Arguably the best of the tournament. The better player won and she has been the best player at slams this year (20-3). What were you disappointed about? Quality tennis? 
You are such a hater.