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Post by Drish on Jun 12, 2017 5:03:34 GMT
I just saw it and I'm shook! My God, what a movie!!! I think I'll have to watch this many a times to give a proper articulate thoughts but wow, that was beyond incredible. Please post your thoughts, reviews for it. I wanna read them all.
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Post by bobbystarks on Jun 12, 2017 5:20:38 GMT
It's fucking brilliant and probably has the best editing I've ever seen. Been thinking of rewatching it soon.
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Post by taranofprydain on Jun 12, 2017 5:27:33 GMT
It does taper off a little bit before the end and plays with the facts, but overall it is a smashing, fearless film that is brilliant with extraordinary editing that helps make this 206- minute film feel much shorter. Great cast too.
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Post by Lubezki on Jun 12, 2017 6:14:07 GMT
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A masterpiece from beginning to end. The direction, editing, cinematography and performances are of goat level. It's woven together with unbelievable intricacy and for a film with such a substantial running time, at no point does anything presented to us ever feel wasted. A riveting and splendid piece of cinema.
Who was your MVP of the cast?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 6:29:48 GMT
Long time since I watched it, but there has never been a film, especially that long, upto its release which has grasped my attention so fucking hard.
You know a year is strong when it contains Oliver's and Ridley's arguably strongest works.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 12, 2017 10:51:44 GMT
Mixed feelings on it, much less enthusiastic than most. It's a fascinating film in how it's conceived and put together definitely - the editing is in itself a masterpiece and a mesmerizing facet of the work that can be discussed at great length.
But as it goes along you start to feel that that the actual content isn't worthy of that bravura approach - it's 3 hours of clubbing you over the head to make you believe that the world is flat - it just doesn't sustain itself imo.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 12, 2017 11:59:00 GMT
@ urbandetritus: Speaking of this approach and Stone (as in your Nixon example) I think another example of a really brilliant style/editing is Natural Born Killers too. I'm not a fan of that film or it's content either but there he used film itself as a way to make a point about what we are seeing and that is another editing masterclass in his filmography. He uses all kinds of different tricks like fast motion, slow motion, camera perspective, playing with color, playing with form and content (the sitcom scene, reality TV) as a sort of sensory assault to tell the story and make a little commentary (and by extension implicate the types of media tools) at the same time too. In this way, as much as I'm not a Stone fan I have to give him credit. There is often a whole lot going on in his films in this sort of frenzied, breathless way. There are not many directors you can criticize for being heavy handed AND that sly with the form at the same time.
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Post by cherry68 on Jun 12, 2017 12:10:06 GMT
Mixed feelings on it, much less enthusiastic than most. It's a fascinating film in how it's conceived and put together definitely - the editing is in itself a masterpiece and a mesmerizing facet of the work that can be discussed at great length. But as it goes along you start to feel that that the actual content isn't worthy of that bravura approach - it's 3 hours of clubbing you over the head to make you believe that the world is flat - it just doesn't sustain itself imo. The editing of the movie is a part of the illusion, like showing Oldman's footages as if they were the real Oswald 's. It was Oldman in every single scene, but the illusion is perfect.
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Post by Drish on Jun 12, 2017 12:49:32 GMT
πππ A masterpiece from beginning to end. The direction, editing, cinematography and performances are of goat level. It's woven together with unbelievable intricacy and for a film with such a substantial running time, at no point does anything presented to us ever feel wasted. A riveting and splendid piece of cinema. Who was your MVP of the cast? Completely agree with you. I don't think of any 3hr+ long movie to be this insanely fast and intriguing as JFK. Stone did wonders here. And easy to say, it's ensemble is one of all time greats. All of them are at their A-game. Kevin Bacon stole the show in that one scene of his, TLJ, who I couldn't even recognize, was perfect as Shaw and so was Gary Oldman. But to me, Costner was the MVP. Such a committed performance and the way he carries the entire movie is brilliant. That he wasn't even nominated makes him of the biggest snubs coz he was easily better than Hopkins imho.
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Post by cherry68 on Jun 12, 2017 13:11:10 GMT
Welcome to the cool club. Β Even DeNiro in Cape Fear > Hopkins. I saw a scene on Italian tv where a TV host, Pippo Baudo, was wearing a mask like Hopkins ' in silence of the lambs. He was WAY scarier.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jun 12, 2017 14:40:52 GMT
Probably one of the worst movies of all time.
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Post by bobbystarks on Jun 12, 2017 14:49:57 GMT
Probably one of the worst movies of all time. Yeah, just like that Cool Hand Luke right?
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jun 12, 2017 15:06:23 GMT
Probably one of the worst movies of all time. Yeah, just like that Cool Hand Luke right?
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 12, 2017 15:18:29 GMT
Editing is masterful and it is a fun and compelling movie. I do share some sympathies with pacinoyes, though, that it does feel like it's clubbing us over the head with its point at times and it takes itself so seriously with such pinpoint focus that it makes it hard to forgive how loose it plays with facts. There's the obvious "it's just a movie" perspective, but when the film itself is propping itself up as a fight for the truth with Costner (who's terrific, btw) addressing the audience directly at the end, criticism towards the historicity of the film is criticizing the film on its own terms. Still, it's an extremely well put together film with an excellent ensemble and some of the best editing I've ever seen so I give it an 8/10.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Jun 12, 2017 16:09:15 GMT
Great film but loses some points for accuracy. I know you can take it as "just a film" but the films tries to play itself as the hunt for the truth. The real Jim Garrison seemed like a looney tune.
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Post by bobbystarks on Jun 12, 2017 16:21:51 GMT
Great film but loses some points for accuracy. I know you can take it as "just a film" but the films tries to play itself as a true historical account with the hunt for the truth. The real Jim Garrison seemed like a looney tune. Eh, I never got that vibe from it. I always felt like it was telling A story, not THE story. Obviously a good portion of it is conspiracy mumbo jumbo and I feel like the film never tried to pass itself off as anything more than that.
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Post by getclutch on Jun 12, 2017 17:33:08 GMT
The acting is sheer brilliance delivering long chunks of dialogue from the amazing script and yet making it all seem natural.
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Post by Pavan on Jun 12, 2017 20:34:07 GMT
Masterpiece. The writing, cinematography and score are brilliant. Editing is all time worthy. Does not feel like a 3 hr film. It is that much captivating.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 13, 2017 1:57:35 GMT
It is an amazing film, definitely Stone's best. It's accurate to the actual story at all of course, but it manages to be a compelling long film, with a superb cast and a terrific Williams score. Thumbs way-up!
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jun 13, 2017 2:33:17 GMT
Very good movie. Don't know how much is bullshit though.
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Post by countjohn on Jun 13, 2017 6:31:48 GMT
It's a very interesting case study in paranoia. I'm pretty sure that was completely unintentional on Stone's part, though.
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Post by Drish on Jun 13, 2017 17:45:45 GMT
Guys, thanks for posting your thoughts on this. It was a very interesting read. I'd love if ya'll can shed some light on 2 questions here. Really interested in what you think here. - What do you think about the murder conspiracy? Oswald cannot be the sole person behind this, right? It's hard to believe that a murder as big as this still hasn't got a proper closure.
- Any other political thriller like JFK or even All the President's Men, quality-wise?
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 13, 2017 17:51:39 GMT
I'd rank The Parallax View as one of the very best (and most cynical) political thrillers ever made. A second tier 70s classic.....which is where I'd rank All The President's Men too actually.
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Post by mattfincher on Jun 13, 2017 17:59:15 GMT
Good cinema.
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Post by mattfincher on Jun 13, 2017 18:00:53 GMT
Guys, thanks for posting your thoughts on this. It was a very interesting read. I'd love if ya'll can shed some light on 2 questions here. Really interested in what you think here. - What do you think about the murder conspiracy? Oswald cannot be the sole person behind this, right? It's hard to believe that a murder as big as this still hasn't got a proper closure. - Any other political thriller like JFK or even All the President's Men, quality-wise? Three Days of the Condor is really good.
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