|
|
Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 31, 2024 19:08:35 GMT
So it feels like Spike's in the top 15 most talked about directors currently. Because of his penchant for remakes of Japanese and Korean classics, his loudmouth blunt persona, or just his general divisibility but with High and Low upcoming, Da 5 Bloods, and Blackkkanslman has really made him recently hot.
I'll be objective - and yes he has done 2 great films. Do the Right Thing and When the Levees Broke are the classic Lee joints. Lee puts you inside his cineverse.
I'm on the fence with Inside Man. Its underrated but it feels like it's more entertaining than a designated classic. But it is better than the '06 standouts like Pans Labyrinth and Children of Men. But I think he has at least 2 great films.
|
|
Archie
Based
Eraserhead son or Inland Empire daughter?
Posts: 3,674 
Likes: 4,369
Member is Online
|
Post by Archie on Mar 31, 2024 19:10:17 GMT
Just Inside Man imo. Spike's style greatly annoys me but I do need to rewatch most of his acclaimed stuff.
|
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Mar 31, 2024 19:13:11 GMT
Anyone who even needs to ask this question isn't a serious cinephile.
But I imagine finding out Lee was the 7th most taught filmmaker in US film schools, alongside Spielberg, Chaplin, Hitchcock, Kurosawa etc, really was a reality check for some.
|
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Mar 31, 2024 19:25:08 GMT
Not really but he has made movies with greatness in them: Do The Right Thing is by far his best - greatish - and is almost one......but its last scenes are way off from real life, like way off............he has several good ones - Malcolm X has great sequences but is episodic .........Inside Man is fun but also dumb.......25th Hour is well acted mostly but it's pretentious.......he is a better documentarian actually...... Spike Lee is also not particularly what he sells himself as or his fans sell him as - he's a mostly small time filmmaker over his career....who isn't even THAT socially conscious ............John Sayles periodically would make more profound movies about blacks in America than Lee actually....and John Sayles is white  With his better, below - btw - and I don't give a fuck who they "teach" in colleges ........   |
|
|
|
Post by JangoB on Mar 31, 2024 19:41:20 GMT
Yeah, two full-on greats: Do the Right Thing and Malcolm X. And I'm also quite partial to Mo' Better Blues and Bamboozled.
|
|
|
|
Post by futuretrunks on Mar 31, 2024 19:50:08 GMT
I think 25th Hour is extremely good. Using my harshest sense of the word great, a titan like Scorsese has made only two great films (Goodfellas and The Departed), so Spike having made zero isn't a grave insult.
|
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Mar 31, 2024 20:00:30 GMT
Was wondering where to post this, so it's fortuitous this thread came up. There's a cool podcast that talks about directors filmographies in detail called Blank Check Podcast, that's been doing a voting competition to decide their next director. Spike had to beat the likes of Ridley Scott and Richard Linklater to advance to the final, but is facing stiff competition in the final against one of the most revered living directors in David Lynch.
Incredibly tight vote at the moment. Lynch is currently ahead by a few hundred votes ( 7,978) to Lee (7,452), so not sure who will win. But you can hit the link on this tweet to vote for whom you wish:
|
|
|
|
Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 31, 2024 20:21:23 GMT
Was wondering where to post this, so it's fortuitous this thread came up. There's a cool podcast that talks about directors filmographies in detail called Blank Check Podcast, that's been doing a voting competition to decide their next director. Spike had to beat the likes of Ridley Scott and Richard Linklater to advance to the final, but is facing stiff competition in the final against one of the most revered living directors in David Lynch.Incredibly tight vote at the moment. Lynch is currently ahead by a few hundred votes ( 7,978) to Lee (7,452), so not sure who will win. But you can hit the link on this tweet to vote for whom you wish: After the "i find your Denzel stanning amusing" thing, you haven't exactly been the same guy. A bit douchier. But dont you think that bracket is missing Tarantino? If assorted big names like Tarantino is on there, I think he even beats Lynch. Feels like a bunch of names Spike SHOULD beat like you feel Argentina and Brazil should beat Jakarta Island and Queensland. |
|
|
|
Post by ibbi on Mar 31, 2024 20:38:20 GMT
Do the Right Thing, Crooklyn, Bamboozled, yes, yes, and yes, with a maybe to He Got Game.
Throw When the Levees Broke in there too, sure. I might have Mo' Better Blues just shy of greatness, but it's very good. Like Malcolm X a lot too, but not seen it in so long.
|
|
|
|
Post by franklin on Mar 31, 2024 20:40:46 GMT
25th Hour!!
I rewatch it every time.
Best post 9/11 film ever and Edward Norton's last true great leading performance.
|
|
|
|
Post by Joaquim on Mar 31, 2024 20:43:30 GMT
Was wondering where to post this, so it's fortuitous this thread came up. There's a cool podcast that talks about directors filmographies in detail called Blank Check Podcast, that's been doing a voting competition to decide their next director. Spike had to beat the likes of Ridley Scott and Richard Linklater to advance to the final, but is facing stiff competition in the final against one of the most revered living directors in David Lynch.Incredibly tight vote at the moment. Lynch is currently ahead by a few hundred votes ( 7,978) to Lee (7,452), so not sure who will win. But you can hit the link on this tweet to vote for whom you wish: Stuffing the ballot with votes for Lynch |
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Mar 31, 2024 20:50:27 GMT
I don't know wtf the Blank Check Podcast is but they are really overselling this stupid shit........ "Well, folks - it's all come down to this"Does it though?  |
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Mar 31, 2024 20:55:01 GMT
Was wondering where to post this, so it's fortuitous this thread came up. There's a cool podcast that talks about directors filmographies in detail called Blank Check Podcast, that's been doing a voting competition to decide their next director. Spike had to beat the likes of Ridley Scott and Richard Linklater to advance to the final, but is facing stiff competition in the final against one of the most revered living directors in David Lynch.Incredibly tight vote at the moment. Lynch is currently ahead by a few hundred votes ( 7,978) to Lee (7,452), so not sure who will win. But you can hit the link on this tweet to vote for whom you wish: After the "i find your Denzel stanning" amusing thing, you haven't exactly been the same guy. A bit douchier. But dont you think that bracket is missing Tarantino? If Tarantino is on there, I think he even beats Lynch. Feels like a bunch of names Spike SHOULD beat like you feel Argentina and Brazil should beat Jakarta Island and Queensland. I don't mess around kid. I'll stan who the fuck I want & if anyone doesn't like it, they can fuck off, get blocked (or block me) and cry about it afterwards . As I've said numerous times, I won't abide the hypocrisy & I prefer to not waste excess energy on people who don't add anything to my learning process or existence. But as long as we a clear on that. .. Spike beating Ridley Scott in a poll that generates thousands of votes within hours is not a "gimme" or a guarantee. I'd actually see Spike as the underdog in that match-up in real world terms. This is how I know that so many people on MAR live in a bubble. Scott is one of the most revered directors alive, in the real world. Yet on here, it doesn't quite compute to some people just how worshipped a filmmaker Ridley Scott is. People here just focus on him getting average reviews for Napoleon or House Of Gucci, and act like that means anything. He directed Gladiator, Alien, Thelma And Louise, Blade Runner....mainstream classics. Acting as if Spike should beat him in this poll easily is ridiculous. I expected Spike to lose to Ridley. That was a big scalp for Spike. Sure, they could have Tarantino, but odds are they have already featured him on the podcast, so he's not eligible. |
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Mar 31, 2024 21:17:40 GMT
Blank Check Podcast is run/founded by David Sims, who is the main film critic and commentator for The Atlantic.
It's his side hustle I suppose, like most podcasts are, but based on Sims, it's a very credible and industry recognised podcast.
|
|
|
|
Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 31, 2024 21:22:47 GMT
After the "i find your Denzel stanning" amusing thing, you haven't exactly been the same guy. A bit douchier. But dont you think that bracket is missing Tarantino? If Tarantino is on there, I think he even beats Lynch. Feels like a bunch of names Spike SHOULD beat like you feel Argentina and Brazil should beat Jakarta Island and Queensland. I don't mess around kid. I'll stan who the fuck I want & if anyone doesn't like it, they can fuck off, get blocked (or block me) and cry about it afterwards . As I've said numerous times, I won't abide the hypocrisy & I prefer to not waste excess energy on people who don't add anything to my learning process or existence. But as long as we a clear on that. .. Spike beating Ridley Scott in a poll that generates thousands of votes within hours is not a "gimme" or a guarantee. I'd actually see Spike as the underdog in that match-up in real world terms. This is how I know that so many people on MAR live in a bubble. Scott is one of the most revered directors alive, in the real world. Yet on here, it doesn't quite compute to some people just how worshipped a filmmaker Ridley Scott is. People here just focus on him getting average reviews for Napoleon or House Of Gucci, and act like that means anything. He directed Gladiator, Alien, Thelma And Louise, Blade Runner....mainstream classics. Acting as if Spike should beat him in this poll easily is ridiculous. I expected Spike to lose to Ridley. That was a big scalp for Spike. Sure, they could have Tarantino, but odds are they have already featured him on the podcast, so he's not eligible. Well...Scott's last great movie based on the general opinion is Gladiator. You can argue Matchstick Men but does most people remember that movie anymore? The Last Duel seems like a good movie but I dont think anyone sees it as a classic. THELMA AND LOUISE is a classic for tv watching audiences maybe but it's not straight male oriented enough to overtake most of Spikes classics. Do the Right Thing and Malcolm X (the most well known Denzel performance) are clearly higher. And 25th Hour too. Plus he has Washington as a consistent collaborator and hes Americas actor. Spike recently has Da 5 Bloods and Blackkklansman. Respectively 93% and 96% RT score, higher than anything I remember from Scott in a long time. So yeh, I think he has the edge over Scott. Plus Spike is an abrasive personality as a celebrity, has stronger name recognition, sits courtside in Knick games so NBA fans has him on their minds. But let's say hes on the fence with Scott...he clearly has the edge over Todd Phillips and Terrence Malick right? And you can stan for whoever you want. I just laughed once at your over stanning for Denzel like I would with anyone who stans that hard, and thought you were pedaling agenda one time. that's all. Still dont know where my hypocrisy is. We cool man???? |
|
|
|
Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 31, 2024 21:24:00 GMT
After the "i find your Denzel stanning" amusing thing, you haven't exactly been the same guy. A bit douchier. But dont you think that bracket is missing Tarantino? If Tarantino is on there, I think he even beats Lynch. Feels like a bunch of names Spike SHOULD beat like you feel Argentina and Brazil should beat Jakarta Island and Queensland. Sure, they could have Tarantino, but odds are they have already featured him on the podcast, so he's not eligible. They haven't. They've said in some episodes that there are directors they know they'll eventually get to and/or already get talked about enough online so they don't have as much urgency. March Madness is usually where they list a lot of the heavy hitters (Kubrick for example won it a couple years back). Wouldn't be surprised if they decide to get around to Tarantino in time for The Movie Critic. |
|
|
|
Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 31, 2024 21:26:52 GMT
Do the Right Thing
Malcolm X
4 Little Girls
25th Hour
When the Levees Broke: A Requiem in Four Acts
BlacKkKlansman
Da 5 Bloods
I'd call all those great films.
|
|
|
|
Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 31, 2024 21:30:16 GMT
I don't mess around kid. I'll stan who the fuck I want & if anyone doesn't like it, they can fuck off, get blocked (or block me) and cry about it afterwards . As I've said numerous times, I won't abide the hypocrisy & I prefer to not waste excess energy on people who don't add anything to my learning process or existence. But as long as we a clear on that. .. Spike beating Ridley Scott in a poll that generates thousands of votes within hours is not a "gimme" or a guarantee. I'd actually see Spike as the underdog in that match-up in real world terms. This is how I know that so many people on MAR live in a bubble. Scott is one of the most revered directors alive, in the real world. Yet on here, it doesn't quite compute to some people just how worshipped a filmmaker Ridley Scott is. People here just focus on him getting average reviews for Napoleon or House Of Gucci, and act like that means anything. He directed Gladiator, Alien, Thelma And Louise, Blade Runner....mainstream classics. Acting as if Spike should beat him in this poll easily is ridiculous. I expected Spike to lose to Ridley. That was a big scalp for Spike. Sure, they could have Tarantino, but odds are they have already featured him on the podcast, so he's not eligible. Well...Scott's last great movie based on the general opinion is Gladiator. You can argue Matchstick Men but does most people remember that movie anymore? The Last Duel seems like a good movie but I dont think anyone sees it as a classic. THELMA AND LOUISE is a classic for tv watching audiences maybe but it's not straight male oriented enough to overtake most of Spikes classics. I'd say The Martian is Scott's last publicly embraced movie. Big critical and financial hit, high ratings on all user-rated sites, plays on TV a lot. |
|
Steve17
Badass
Posts: 1,074
Likes: 224
|
Post by Steve17 on Mar 31, 2024 21:31:21 GMT
I think both Do the Right Thing and BlackKklansman are both great. I thought both 25th Hour and Inside Man were okay.
|
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Mar 31, 2024 21:49:23 GMT
The Podcast and the Ridley Scott discussion are emblematic of this problem with Lee - for lack of a better term there is no "problem" really.......whatever you think of Ridley Scott he has Alien, Blade Runner, Thelma & Louise, Gladiator he has a higher plateau of "greats"............and while it's nice that a podcast likes Lee or is a dude who has a job at a magazine - it's no surprise that when the bigger metrics come out Lee falls short - even if people think a few of his films are great ..... I always say his closest parallel is Oliver Stone except ......... you know....... Oliver Stone won 2 BD and won a BP .....we had them in a poll once........probably one of mine Like he was like in the 70s in TSPDT......in the 70s or something iirc..........that's a poll full of David Sims |
|
|
|
Post by quetee on Mar 31, 2024 21:51:10 GMT
Stay Pressed!!!!!
|
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Mar 31, 2024 22:01:30 GMT
factsonly
Truth hurts........
|
|
|
|
Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 31, 2024 22:01:34 GMT
The Podcast and the Ridley Scott discussion are emblematic of this problem with Lee - for lack of a better term there is no "problem" really.......whatever you think of Ridley Scott he has Alien, Blade Runner, Thelma & Louise, Gladiator he has a higher plateau of "greats"............and while it's nice that a podcast likes Lee or is a dude who has a job at a magazine - it's no surprise that when the bigger metrics come out Lee falls short - even if people think a few of his films are great ..... I always say his closest parallel is Oliver Stone except ......... you know....... Oliver Stone won 2 BD and won a BP .....we had them in a poll once........probably one of mine Like he was like in the 70s in TSPDT......in the 70s or something iirc..........that's a poll full of David Sims Hmh interesting. I agree Scott is considered the greater filmmaker than Lee. Scott is #46 on theyshootpictures while Lee is #75. But being fair to Spike, I think hes considered better than Stone. I think Do the Right Thing is usually thought of as more of an upper echelon film than JFK or Platoon. The former is well liked but not as much as those late 60s/early 70s political classics and Platoon while a classic is not usually found in the same bracket as Apocalypse Now or All Quiet on the Western Front. Still, I was arguing general public opinion on Scott vs Lee not who's the better filmmaker. |
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Mar 31, 2024 22:09:56 GMT
The Podcast and the Ridley Scott discussion are emblematic of this problem with Lee - for lack of a better term there is no "problem" really.......whatever you think of Ridley Scott he has Alien, Blade Runner, Thelma & Louise, Gladiator he has a higher plateau of "greats"............and while it's nice that a podcast likes Lee or is a dude who has a job at a magazine - it's no surprise that when the bigger metrics come out Lee falls short - even if people think a few of his films are great ..... I always say his closest parallel is Oliver Stone except ......... you know....... Oliver Stone won 2 BD and won a BP .....we had them in a poll once........probably one of mine Like he was like in the 70s in TSPDT......in the 70s or something iirc..........that's a poll full of David Sims Hmh interesting. I agree Scott is considered the greater filmmaker than Lee. Scott is #46 on theyshootpictures while Lee is #75. But being fair to Spike, I think hes considered better than Stone. I think Do the Right Thing is usually thought of as more of an upper echelon film than JFK or Platoon. Yeah I mean Polanski is 45 - that's 30 spots higher -so fucking you stay pressed, k? ............I think Do The Right Thing is far more rated highly now.............what makes that closer though is Stone as a screenwriter factored in - of course he wrote some other important pics.........not a huge fan of either tbh |
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Mar 31, 2024 22:13:53 GMT
I don't mess around kid. I'll stan who the fuck I want & if anyone doesn't like it, they can fuck off, get blocked (or block me) and cry about it afterwards . As I've said numerous times, I won't abide the hypocrisy & I prefer to not waste excess energy on people who don't add anything to my learning process or existence. But as long as we a clear on that. .. Spike beating Ridley Scott in a poll that generates thousands of votes within hours is not a "gimme" or a guarantee. I'd actually see Spike as the underdog in that match-up in real world terms. This is how I know that so many people on MAR live in a bubble. Scott is one of the most revered directors alive, in the real world. Yet on here, it doesn't quite compute to some people just how worshipped a filmmaker Ridley Scott is. People here just focus on him getting average reviews for Napoleon or House Of Gucci, and act like that means anything. He directed Gladiator, Alien, Thelma And Louise, Blade Runner....mainstream classics. Acting as if Spike should beat him in this poll easily is ridiculous. I expected Spike to lose to Ridley. That was a big scalp for Spike. Sure, they could have Tarantino, but odds are they have already featured him on the podcast, so he's not eligible. Well...Scott's last great movie based on the general opinion is Gladiator. You can argue Matchstick Men but does most people remember that movie anymore? The Last Duel seems like a good movie but I dont think anyone sees it as a classic. THELMA AND LOUISE is a classic for tv watching audiences maybe but it's not straight male oriented enough to overtake most of Spikes classics. Do the Right Thing and Malcolm X (the most well known Denzel performance) are clearly higher. And 25th Hour too. Plus he has Washington as a consistent collaborator and hes Americas actor. Spike recently has Da 5 Bloods and Blackkklansman. Respectively 93% and 96% RT score, higher than anything I remember from Scott in a long time. So yeh, I think he has the edge over Scott. Plus Spike is an abrasive personality as a celebrity, has stronger name recognition, sits courtside in Knick games so NBA fans has him on their minds. But let's say hes on the fence with Scott...he clearly has the edge over Todd Phillips and Terrence Malick right? And you can stan for whoever you want. I just laughed once at your over stanning for Denzel like I would with anyone who stans that hard, and thought you were pedaling agenda one time. that's all. Still dont know where my hypocrisy is. We cool man???? No, Scott has had at least two major commercial and critical successes after Gladiator. American Gangster & The Martian, which was only in 2015 and was nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars, and made quadruple what the highest grossing Spike Lee film ever did at the box office .As I'm sure you read on the Scott/Crowe Best Film thread, American Gangster is widely acknowledged as a mainstream classic outside the insular MAR bubble, and frequently places on lists of Greatest Gangster Films Of All Time. I shouldn't need to remind you, since it was spoken of this week, but I guess I have to. www.hollywoodreporter.com/gallery/25-classic-gangster-films-784390/
www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/g32779558/best-gangster-movies/www.pastemagazine.com/movies/the-top-25-gangster-films-of-the-last-40-yearsmovieweb.com/mafia-and-gangster-movies/www.empireonline.com/shopping/movies/best-guide-gangster-movies/screenrant.com/the-top-ten-gangster-movies/As for the Denzel stanning nonsense, I'm never going to have this conversation with you again, because you have the conscious ability and respect for Pacinoyes to not attempt to embarrass or belittle him for his almost daily stanning of Pacino. Trying that shit with me ( which you did on multiple occasions, not just once) is just deliberate disrespect as far as I'm concerned, because you make a choice not to do it with someone else, and I see it no other way. As long as you get that, we're fine. But you need to find a way to move on from this, because like I said, I ain't discussing it with you again. You either get it now, or you don't. |
|
