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Post by quetee on Dec 20, 2023 23:20:53 GMT
Taraji is a wonderful actress. This made me sad just watching this especially since I experienced something similar at my job. Viola said the same exact thing and people got upset with her. Well, the truth is the truth.
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 20, 2023 23:44:12 GMT
So 5 million, 30% of which goes to your team....
Yeah, I'd retire a rough job like acting over such a ludicrously small amount of pay too. God knows that the amount of pain just isn't worth it.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 20, 2023 23:53:56 GMT
Not exactly the same thing as our noble suffering activist Adele Haenel (um) but same thing I always say - no one will care - all your leaving does is make people forget about you faster.
.........and Haenel was a leading actress / star- one of the worlds very best actresses - at the peak of her career........the French film industry is just fine without her.
I feel sad for her though......she was great as Cookie
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Post by quetee on Dec 21, 2023 0:00:37 GMT
So 5 million, 30% of which goes to your team.... Yeah, I'd retire a rough job like acting over such a ludicrously small amount of pay too. God knows that the amount of pain just isn't worth it. Ok, they make more than average person but that not the point. Still it is mentally exhausting and abusive when people in charge devalue you by not paying you what you are worth.
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 21, 2023 1:38:37 GMT
So 5 million, 30% of which goes to your team.... Yeah, I'd retire a rough job like acting over such a ludicrously small amount of pay too. God knows that the amount of pain just isn't worth it. Ok, they make more than average person but that not the point. Still it is mentally exhausting and abusive when people in charge devalue you by not paying you what you are worth. NOBODY is worth even the reduced amount of her own pay The actors get paid this much because they are investments, not because their skill is worth a certain amount. You get Tom Cruise in your movie, you are investing in his name and people knowing who he is, not because he's a great actor. Henson isn't a name. Should she be a name? That's a different question (I am almost entirely unfamiliar with her). But that name is not a draw overseas, as she sobs in the clip above. She thinks she is being devalued, but that isn't the case at all - her name doesn't have the value of *insert whatever other actor she is comparing herself to* and that has nothing to do with her skill or value as a person. As a commodity, she isn't worth the huge bucks.
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Post by quetee on Dec 21, 2023 2:14:27 GMT
Ok, they make more than average person but that not the point. Still it is mentally exhausting and abusive when people in charge devalue you by not paying you what you are worth. NOBODY is worth even the reduced amount of her own pay The actors get paid this much because they are investments, not because their skill is worth a certain amount. You get Tom Cruise in your movie, you are investing in his name and people knowing who he is, not because he's a great actor. Henson isn't a name. Should she be a name? That's a different question (I am almost entirely unfamiliar with her). But that name is not a draw overseas, as she sobs in the clip above. She thinks she is being devalued, but that isn't the case at all - her name doesn't have the value of *insert whatever other actor she is comparing herself to* and that has nothing to do with her skill or value as a person. As a commodity, she isn't worth the huge bucks. I know about the financial side but I believe it goes much deeper than that. She does not expect to be paid the same as Tom Cruise or Denzel. She is saying when all things are equal she is still probably paid less. That is the difference. Should she be paid same as Sandra Bullock? Hell to the no. Nicole Kidman..no..no..no.
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 21, 2023 3:10:19 GMT
NOBODY is worth even the reduced amount of her own pay The actors get paid this much because they are investments, not because their skill is worth a certain amount. You get Tom Cruise in your movie, you are investing in his name and people knowing who he is, not because he's a great actor. Henson isn't a name. Should she be a name? That's a different question (I am almost entirely unfamiliar with her). But that name is not a draw overseas, as she sobs in the clip above. She thinks she is being devalued, but that isn't the case at all - her name doesn't have the value of *insert whatever other actor she is comparing herself to* and that has nothing to do with her skill or value as a person. As a commodity, she isn't worth the huge bucks. I know about the financial side but I believe it goes much deeper than that. She does not expect to be paid the same as Tom Cruise or Denzel. She is saying when all things are equal she is still probably paid less. That is the difference. Should she be paid same as Sandra Bullock? Hell to the no. Nicole Kidman..no..no..no. And that's where I can't muster sympathy. I am unaware of her other ventures (so please correct me if this is inaccurate), but the way she is phrasing things, she is doing them because acting isn't making enough to pay the bills. If she is putting resources into training black actors and trying to give them opportunities, then perhaps I can be a little sympathetic... but seeing as how she is literally crying and contemplating quitting, it sounds like she has no interest in actually trying to nurture a culture in which black actors can be respected. You can stand up and say *clearly* what is right or wrong with the industry and try to create a better culture, or you can cry about your pay. You can fight or you can quit. If you truly hate the job, by all means, quit. I completely understand, and I support the decision (I've been in a job that has made me cry and given me nightmares... I'm still doing it because I need the money, but that's because I exist in the real world). But to frame it as an issue of pay, you make yourself look EXTREMELY out of touch, to say the very least. She does try to point things towards her team somewhat in this video, but the optics are that if your team is getting 30% of $5,000,000, you can afford to cut your own pay to give them what they need.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 21, 2023 3:39:05 GMT
Ok, they make more than average person but that not the point. Still it is mentally exhausting and abusive when people in charge devalue you by not paying you what you are worth. NOBODY is worth even the reduced amount of her own pay The actors get paid this much because they are investments, not because their skill is worth a certain amount. You get Tom Cruise in your movie, you are investing in his name and people knowing who he is, not because he's a great actor. Henson isn't a name. Should she be a name? That's a different question (I am almost entirely unfamiliar with her). But that name is not a draw overseas, as she sobs in the clip above. She thinks she is being devalued, but that isn't the case at all - her name doesn't have the value of *insert whatever other actor she is comparing herself to* and that has nothing to do with her skill or value as a person. As a commodity, she isn't worth the huge bucks. Henson is a name. She's an Oscar nominee, multiple Emmy nominee, Golden Globe winner and has carried multiple movies as the lead to grosses in the tens of millions, including Hidden Figures, which grossed 236 million dollars worldwide. She was the lead actress on the TV show Empire, which at one point was the highest rated show in America for several years. In movies, in leading or lead ensemble roles, she's got a career total of just under 1 billion dollars in box office. And she's done this without appearing in huge franchises like Marvel which inflate box office numbers for actors. Only 4 years ago in 2019, she was the main lead in the romantic comedy What Men Want, which grossed 72 million dollars worldwide off a 20 million dollar budget. In the same year, Seth Rogan and Charlize Theron headlined the romantic comedy Longshot, which grossed 53 million dollars worldwide off a 40 million dollar budget.Is she a big international draw? No. But she's been a pretty solid domestic box office draw in America for many years, and she does put butts on seats in the right vehicles. And she's carried movies that have made a lot of bank for studios. So I can sympathise with her frustration. Someone with her accolades, TV ratings and box office track record, shouldn't be getting lowballed. I think her frustration stems from knowing people with less pull than her, consistently get paid more. Yes, acting at her level is a privileged job, but everyone deserves to get paid fairly at market rates in their profession. And with her lifestyle and team to keep up appearances as a star, she probably can't afford to retire, despite how much money she has made for studios and TV networks.
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Post by quetee on Dec 21, 2023 4:54:31 GMT
NOBODY is worth even the reduced amount of her own pay The actors get paid this much because they are investments, not because their skill is worth a certain amount. You get Tom Cruise in your movie, you are investing in his name and people knowing who he is, not because he's a great actor. Henson isn't a name. Should she be a name? That's a different question (I am almost entirely unfamiliar with her). But that name is not a draw overseas, as she sobs in the clip above. She thinks she is being devalued, but that isn't the case at all - her name doesn't have the value of *insert whatever other actor she is comparing herself to* and that has nothing to do with her skill or value as a person. As a commodity, she isn't worth the huge bucks. Henson is a name. She's an Oscar nominee, multiple Emmy nominee, Golden Globe winner and has carried multiple movies as the lead to grosses in the tens of millions, including Hidden Figures, which grossed 236 million dollars worldwide. She was the lead actress on the TV show Empire, which at one point was the highest rated show in America for several years. In movies, in leading or lead ensemble roles, she's got a career total of just under 1 billion dollars in box office. And she's done this without appearing in huge franchises like Marvel which inflate box office numbers for actors. Only 4 years ago in 2019, she was the main lead in the romantic comedy What Men Want, which grossed 72 million dollars worldwide off a 20 million dollar budget. In the same year, Seth Rogan and Charlize Theron headlined the romantic comedy Longshot, which grossed 53 million dollars worldwide off a 40 million dollar budget.Is she a big international draw? No. But she's been a pretty solid domestic box office draw in America for many years, and she does put butts on seats in the right vehicles. And she's carried movies that have made a lot of bank for studios. So I can sympathise with her frustration. Someone with her accolades, TV ratings and box office track record, shouldn't be getting lowballed. I think her frustration stems from knowing people with less pull than her, consistently get paid more. Yes, acting at her level is a privileged job, but everyone deserves to get paid fairly at market rates in their profession. And with her lifestyle and team to keep up appearances as a star, she probably can't afford to retire, despite how much money she has made for studios and TV networks. She's not spilling the tea. Her tears alone tells me she has been through some serious bullshit. She got lowballed big time and was offended. My guess to some non name actress.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 21, 2023 14:35:41 GMT
........I know in the real world - not the world she lives in - if you told me, "I "may" quit if I don't get a raise....and I was a boss...I still am a boss actually....I'd have said "quit then"......unless you're an exceptional worker or something and she's just not I mean I'm sure she won't quit anyway ...and..........if you compare her to a sort of equivalent - Julianne Nicholson or somebody (around the same age, an Emmy winner, a better actress (arguably for some I guess, but not to me)) - she's making waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than Julianne Nicholson I'd guess ...... in that way she's overpaid
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Post by Weaver Addict on Dec 21, 2023 15:37:53 GMT
........I know in the real world - not the world she lives in - if you told me, "I "may" quit if I don't get a raise....and I was a boss.. .I still am a boss actually....I'd have said "quit then"......unless you're an exceptional worker or something and she's just not I mean I'm sure she won't quit anyway ...and..........if you compare her to a sort of equivalent - Julianne Nicholson or somebody (around the same age, an Emmy winner, a better actress (arguably for some I guess, but not to me)) - she's making waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than Julianne Nicholson I'd guess ...... in that way she's overpaid Haley Bennett's reaction after reading this - .
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 21, 2023 16:33:09 GMT
ah yes, the good old "you're wealthy so racism and sexism doesn't matter and you should sit down and shut up" defense. Didn't think I'd see that one here... oh wait no I did because it's used literally any time a woman or POC complains about anything in showbiz.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 21, 2023 16:48:50 GMT
........I know in the real world - not the world she lives in - if you told me, "I "may" quit if I don't get a raise....and I was a boss...I still am a boss actually....I'd have said "quit then"......unless you're an exceptional worker or something and she's just not I mean I'm sure she won't quit anyway ...and..........if you compare her to a sort of equivalent - Julianne Nicholson or somebody (around the same age, an Emmy winner, a better actress (arguably for some I guess, but not to me)) - she's making waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than Julianne Nicholson I'd guess ...... in that way she's overpaid Henson is likely making way more than Julianne Nicholson, because they are not in any universe, "equivalents" It's not just about awards. Nicholson is purely a character actress in movies for the most part. She has never been any sort of significant box office draw. Henson does character/supporting parts as well, but she has also demonstrably proven to be a leading lady who can putt butts in seats in the theatre. Where is Nicholson's equivalent to Hidden Figures, where Henson played the lead role to a 236 million dollars worldwide gross? Where is Nicholson's equivalent to What Men Want, which grossed 72 million dollars worldwide with Henson as the main lead? Henson has carried studio films as the lead to significant box office. Nicholson has not. They are not in any way equivalents. Maybe Sarah Jessica Parker? But Henson is a bigger deal as a movie star, because Parker can't really sell anything that isn't Sex And The City related. Maybe Robin Wright is an equivalent (at least on the TV side). But again, Henson is actually a far more significant draw as a movie star. But when they were both the female leads in hit TV shows, Wright was at one point the highest paid television actress in America, earning 420 thousand dollars per episode for House Of Cards. Henson was earning 175 thousand dollars per episode of Empire, which for 4 years was the highest rated show in America. That is the disparity Henson is talking about. By every metric, Henson is a bigger star and draw than Wright, but Wright was getting paid far more per episode of her hit show than Henson was for hers.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 21, 2023 16:52:46 GMT
........I know in the real world - not the world she lives in - if you told me, "I "may" quit if I don't get a raise....and I was a boss...I still am a boss actually....I'd have said "quit then"......unless you're an exceptional worker or something and she's just not I mean I'm sure she won't quit anyway ...and..........if you compare her to a sort of equivalent - Julianne Nicholson or somebody (around the same age, an Emmy winner, a better actress (arguably for some I guess, but not to me)) - she's making waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than Julianne Nicholson I'd guess ...... in that way she's overpaid Henson is likely making way more than Julianne Nicholson, because they are not in any universe, "equivalents" It's not just about awards. Maybe Sarah Jessica Parker? But Henson is a bigger deal as a movie star, because Parker can't really sell anything that isn't Sex And The City related. Maybe Robin WrightYou're the one that mentioned awards........to me Sarah Jessica Parker and Robin Wright are way bigger names - and identifiable as names BY their names Doesn't matter anyway - she won't quit ......this is a nothingburger of a thread tbh
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 21, 2023 16:57:35 GMT
Henson is likely making way more than Julianne Nicholson, because they are not in any universe, "equivalents" It's not just about awards. Maybe Sarah Jessica Parker? But Henson is a bigger deal as a movie star, because Parker can't really sell anything that isn't Sex And The City related. Maybe Robin Wright You're the one that mentioned awards........to me Sarah Jessica Parker and Robin Wright are way bigger names - and identifiable as names BY their names Doesn't matter anyway - she won't quit ......this is a nothingburger of a thread tbh Facts aren't feelings. Look at Henson's box office track record as a leading lady and look at Wright's in the last 15 years . Henson crushes Wright. It's not even close. Henson is the bigger star, regardless of your anecdotal "feelings" that Wright is.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 21, 2023 17:06:40 GMT
You're the one that mentioned awards........to me Sarah Jessica Parker and Robin Wright are way bigger names - and identifiable as names BY their names Doesn't matter anyway - she won't quit ......this is a nothingburger of a thread tbh Facts aren't feelings. The fact is I don't much care about her feelings tbh ......I hope she gets as much as she can get but.......she won't quit that's a fact too..........nothingburger thread........
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Post by quetee on Dec 21, 2023 17:29:14 GMT
........I know in the real world - not the world she lives in - if you told me, "I "may" quit if I don't get a raise....and I was a boss...I still am a boss actually....I'd have said "quit then"......unless you're an exceptional worker or something and she's just not I mean I'm sure she won't quit anyway ...and..........if you compare her to a sort of equivalent - Julianne Nicholson or somebody (around the same age, an Emmy winner, a better actress (arguably for some I guess, but not to me)) - she's making waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than Julianne Nicholson I'd guess ...... in that way she's overpaid Henson is likely making way more than Julianne Nicholson, because they are not in any universe, "equivalents" It's not just about awards. Nicholson is purely a character actress in movies for the most part. She has never been any sort of significant box office draw. Henson does character/supporting parts as well, but she has also demonstrably proven to be a leading lady who can putt butts in seats in the theatre. Where is Nicholson's equivalent to Hidden Figures, where Henson played the lead role to a 236 million dollars worldwide gross? Where is Nicholson's equivalent to What Men Want, which grossed 72 million dollars worldwide with Henson as the main lead? Henson has carried studio films as the lead to significant box office. Nicholson has not. They are not in any way equivalents. Maybe Sarah Jessica Parker? But Henson is a bigger deal as a movie star, because Parker can't really sell anything that isn't Sex And The City related. Maybe Robin Wright is an equivalent (at least on the TV side). But again, Henson is actually a far more significant draw as a movie star. But when they were both the female leads in hit TV shows, Wright was at one point the highest paid television actress in America, earning 420 thousand dollars per episode for House Of Cards. Henson was earning 175 thousand dollars per episode of Empire, which for 4 years was the highest rated show in America. That is the disparity Henson is talking about. By every metric, Henson is a bigger star and draw than Wright, but Wright was getting paid far more per episode of her hit show than Henson was for hers. Talk about a major side eye. No way are they even the same. Nobody checking for Julianne like that.i can't even with that comparison.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 21, 2023 17:33:18 GMT
I can't even with Robin Wright Penn and Sarah Jesica Parker tbh - nobody checking Taraji like that .......just sayin' they're not
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 21, 2023 17:38:49 GMT
Taraji can open movies. Robin Wright can't.
Nobody cares about Sarah Jesssica Parker if it has nothing to do with Sex And The City. That's why she's still milking that IP to death on TV and film. It's going to go on her tombstone
Henson is a bigger movie star than both of them (and also the only one to be Oscar nominated), so they should be flattered by the comparison to her.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 21, 2023 17:47:08 GMT
Disagree....^ ........ Everybody wants the same thing - so give her more money..........but there's nothing else to say until she quits...........she won't .........
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 21, 2023 17:54:14 GMT
ah yes, the good old "you're wealthy so racism and sexism doesn't matter and you should sit down and shut up" defense. Didn't think I'd see that one here... oh wait no I did because it's used literally any time a woman or POC complains about anything in showbiz. I'm not saying racism and sexism don't matter, I'm saying that if you have any sort of backbone you would make a stand one way or the other. Quit if you must, or make a *clear* case for what you are fighting for and fucking crusade for it. If you get blacklisted for pointing out awful practices, that gives *more* fuel to what you are saying. So do it. Go full throttle. Because you are wealthy, *you have enough to withstand what will come to you.* Instead, she's literally crying and asking for sympathy. I'm not going to give her a hankie because she is underpaid next to all of the other overpaid people in Hollywood. Haenel at least has stuck by her position, but Henson won't make a stand outside of crying in interviews. If things are really so bad, use your position to shine a light directly onto the issues in the industry. Make a Youtube channel showcasing problems with pay. Get anonymous interviews with people who are being discriminated against. Make a stand. If all you can say is that you are being paid millions for a single job - a *cushy* job - and that is unacceptable because other people are being paid more, I don't give a shit. You shouldn't be paid that much, and neither should Nicole Kidman.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 21, 2023 17:57:34 GMT
Disagree....^ ........ Everybody wants the same thing - so give her more money..........but there's nothing else to say until she quits...........she won't ......... Disagree
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 21, 2023 17:59:41 GMT
ah yes, the good old "you're wealthy so racism and sexism doesn't matter and you should sit down and shut up" defense. Didn't think I'd see that one here... oh wait no I did because it's used literally any time a woman or POC complains about anything in showbiz. Haenel at least has stuck by her position, but Henson won't make a stand outside of crying in interviews. If things are really so bad, use your position to shine a light directly onto the issues in the industry. It's worse even - Haenel wasn't saying pay me more and I'll shut up.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 21, 2023 18:05:19 GMT
Disagree....^ ........ Everybody wants the same thing - so give her more money..........but there's nothing else to say until she quits...........she won't ......... Disagree Still disagree .........thanks..........we have threads on here arguing is Margot Robbie a box office draw .........so I'm pretty sure Henson's not Ymmv.........
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 21, 2023 18:14:44 GMT
Still disagree .........thanks..........we have threads on here arguing is Margot Robbie a box office draw .........so I'm pretty sure Henson's not Ymmv......... Henson is (or at least has been) a box office draw, particularly to the African-American demographic. No one is claiming she is peak Julia Roberts at the box office . But she gets cast in lead roles in studio films often targeted to African-American audiences, because she is a draw to them. Just because you are ignorant of or don t pay attention to how stars draw in different demographics, doesn't mean it isn't a thing. Her films have made a lot of money for studios. And she does not get the kind of assists of someone like Robbie ( like super-popular and recognisable IP's like Barbie and Harley Quinn).
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