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Post by DeepArcher on Aug 8, 2017 14:51:28 GMT
Honestly, though, I am hyped for the Hardhome Part 2.0 we're scheduled to be getting next week. Even if it does mean that we're losing The Hound and Tormund. I'm surprised you're excited about that. I remember you trashing Hardhome when it first aired. Lmaoooo, you were on the GOT board??? I shouldn't be surprised, considering you ripped off your username from the great and legendary Archmaester. Anyway, I never outright hated "Hardhome", I just held extremely restrained praise for it. There are a number of moments in that sequence that I thought -- and still think -- are flat-out stupid and unintentionally funny. In general, though, I'd say I rather like the sequence -- Jon's duel with the White Walker, for example, is still one of my favorite scenes in the series.
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Post by harlequinade on Aug 8, 2017 15:20:12 GMT
Honestly, though, I am hyped for the Hardhome Part 2.0 we're scheduled to be getting next week. Even if it does mean that we're losing The Hound and Tormund. I don't think that is next week? The title suggests so but I think it may be the week after that
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Post by DeepArcher on Aug 8, 2017 17:09:53 GMT
Honestly, though, I am hyped for the Hardhome Part 2.0 we're scheduled to be getting next week. Even if it does mean that we're losing The Hound and Tormund. I don't think that is next week? The title suggests so but I think it may be the week after that That'd be super disappointing if it's not next week, but I wouldn't put it past Benioff and Weiss to use that kind of title tease. Anyway, I'm totally expecting it to be a "Hardhome"-type deal, where the first half of the episode updates us on the main storylines, and the second half entirely focuses on Eastwatch. I'm probably wrong, though.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Aug 8, 2017 18:10:56 GMT
I don't think that is next week? The title suggests so but I think it may be the week after that That'd be super disappointing if it's not next week, but I wouldn't put it past Benioff and Weiss to use that kind of title tease. Anyway, I'm totally expecting it to be a "Hardhome"-type deal, where the first half of the episode updates us on the main storylines, and the second half entirely focuses on Eastwatch. I'm probably wrong, though. Yeah, I'm not expecting anything big this week. I think they'll save it for the 70 minute penultimate episode.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Aug 8, 2017 18:27:13 GMT
Btw, do we expect this season to end with Dany taking over Westeros (and taking down Cersei) or the white walker battle? It feels like we could be leading to both, but I'm betting white walkers will be the final season's big ending.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Aug 8, 2017 20:26:14 GMT
Btw, do we expect this season to end with Dany taking over Westeros (and taking down Cersei) or the white walker battle? It feels like we could be leading to both, but I'm betting white walkers will be the final season's big ending. I'm thinking this season will be Cersei's demise (and Dany's likely ascension to the throne) and next season will culminate with the battle between the living and the dead.
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Post by DeepArcher on Aug 8, 2017 23:00:37 GMT
Waaaaait a second, does anyone else think the end of this week's episode is building to the inevitability of Jaime taking out Cersei? i.e., Jaime becomes Daenerys' prisoner, Tyrion convinces her to spare his life, but in exchange, they require him to kill Cersei. Might be a bit of a stretch, but I could see it, and it certainly makes sense for the "attack the Red Keep with as few casualties as possible" approach.
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Post by FrancescoAbides on Aug 9, 2017 0:07:06 GMT
Waaaaait a second, does anyone else think the end of this week's episode is building to the inevitability of Jaime taking out Cersei? i.e., Jaime becomes Daenerys' prisoner, Tyrion convinces her to spare his life, but in exchange, they require him to kill Cersei. Might be a bit of a stretch, but I could see it, and it certainly makes sense for the "attack the Red Keep with as few casualties as possible" approach. This is a great theory. -- I still believe that the decision to kill Cersei will come from Jaime's conscience though...perhaps sacrificing what he feels for her, for a greater good. It would make her death more poetic and tragic, I think. And from a character development point of view, it would be interesting to see this happening to Jaime (his internal conflict).
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Aug 9, 2017 0:14:24 GMT
Waaaaait a second, does anyone else think the end of this week's episode is building to the inevitability of Jaime taking out Cersei? i.e., Jaime becomes Daenerys' prisoner, Tyrion convinces her to spare his life, but in exchange, they require him to kill Cersei. Might be a bit of a stretch, but I could see it, and it certainly makes sense for the "attack the Red Keep with as few casualties as possible" approach. I've been saying for a couple of years now that it makes the most sense for Jaime to kill Cersei.
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Post by DeepArcher on Aug 9, 2017 0:42:49 GMT
Waaaaait a second, does anyone else think the end of this week's episode is building to the inevitability of Jaime taking out Cersei? i.e., Jaime becomes Daenerys' prisoner, Tyrion convinces her to spare his life, but in exchange, they require him to kill Cersei. Might be a bit of a stretch, but I could see it, and it certainly makes sense for the "attack the Red Keep with as few casualties as possible" approach. This is a great theory. -- I still believe that the decision to kill Cersei will come from Jaime's conscience though...perhaps sacrificing what he feels for her, for a greater good. It would make her death more poetic and tragic, I think. And from a character development point of view, it would be interesting to see this happening to Jaime (his internal conflict). I also think the decision should come from Jaime's conscience, but that could still happen in this scenario. Just because he's ordered to do it doesn't mean he'll follow the command like a robot. There would be a great deal of internal conflict as he grapples with following the order of not.
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Post by DeepArcher on Aug 9, 2017 0:43:18 GMT
Waaaaait a second, does anyone else think the end of this week's episode is building to the inevitability of Jaime taking out Cersei? i.e., Jaime becomes Daenerys' prisoner, Tyrion convinces her to spare his life, but in exchange, they require him to kill Cersei. Might be a bit of a stretch, but I could see it, and it certainly makes sense for the "attack the Red Keep with as few casualties as possible" approach. I've been saying for a couple of years now that it makes the most sense for Jaime to kill Cersei. Same here.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Aug 11, 2017 1:30:05 GMT
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Post by stephen on Aug 11, 2017 1:46:32 GMT
While I think that thematically, it's a given that Jaime is the one to kill Cersei, I don't see how Daenerys and Co. would dare trust him on assassinating Cersei. Hell, Daenerys barely trusts Tyrion at this point. No, I'm confident Jaime will come to the decision to kill Cersei on his own.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Aug 11, 2017 2:32:34 GMT
While I think that thematically, it's a given that Jaime is the one to kill Cersei, I don't see how Daenerys and Co. would dare trust him on assassinating Cersei. Hell, Daenerys barely trusts Tyrion at this point. No, I'm confident Jaime will come to the decision to kill Cersei on his own. I really hope that's the case... but given how pro-Dany the writers are (and how she's basically up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, b, a'd the whole game), I can see it being her idea.
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Post by stephen on Aug 11, 2017 2:53:25 GMT
While I think that thematically, it's a given that Jaime is the one to kill Cersei, I don't see how Daenerys and Co. would dare trust him on assassinating Cersei. Hell, Daenerys barely trusts Tyrion at this point. No, I'm confident Jaime will come to the decision to kill Cersei on his own. I really hope that's the case... but given how pro-Dany the writers are (and how she's basically up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, b, a'd the whole game), I can see it being her idea. *sigh* I miss Stannis, Tywin and Roose.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Aug 11, 2017 3:17:41 GMT
I really hope that's the case... but given how pro-Dany the writers are (and how she's basically up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, b, a'd the whole game), I can see it being her idea. *sigh* I miss Stannis, Tywin and Roose. "Then why give him Storm's End? First, we ate the horses. We weren't riding anywhere, not with the castle surrounded. We couldn't feed them, so fine. The horses, then the cats-I've never liked cats, so fine. I do like dogs - good animals, loyal - but we ate them too. Then the rats... The night before you slipped through, I thought my wife was dying. She couldn't speak anymore, she was so frail. And then you made it through the lines, slipped right through in your little black sail boat with your onions... (...) Robert told me to hold Storm's End, so I held it. Then he told me he was giving it to Renly, so I gave it up. Insult or no, I gave it up because Robert was my older brother and he was the king and I've always done my duty. But now, I am the rightful king by every law of Westeros. And when I sit the Iron Throne, you will be my Hand." He should be King.
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Post by stephen on Aug 11, 2017 3:23:29 GMT
*sigh* I miss Stannis, Tywin and Roose. "Then why give him Storm's End? First, we ate the horses. We weren't riding anywhere, not with the castle surrounded. We couldn't feed them, so fine. The horses, then the cats-I've never liked cats, so fine. I do like dogs - good animals, loyal - but we ate them too. Then the rats... The night before you slipped through, I thought my wife was dying. She couldn't speak anymore, she was so frail. And then you made it through the lines, slipped right through in your little black sail boat with your onions... (...) Robert told me to hold Storm's End, so I held it. Then he told me he was giving it to Renly, so I gave it up. Insult or no, I gave it up because Robert was my older brother and he was the king and I've always done my duty. But now, I am the rightful king by every law of Westeros. And when I sit the Iron Throne, you will be my Hand." He should be King. From a released excerpt of the upcoming sixth book, when Stannis speaks to a captive Theon Greyjoy: And that's just one of the many badass lines the Mannis has. If you ever get a chance to read the books, do so. Stannis is incredible, and yes, he is my King forever and a day.
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Post by DeepArcher on Aug 11, 2017 3:25:50 GMT
While I think that thematically, it's a given that Jaime is the one to kill Cersei, I don't see how Daenerys and Co. would dare trust him on assassinating Cersei. Hell, Daenerys barely trusts Tyrion at this point. No, I'm confident Jaime will come to the decision to kill Cersei on his own. I agree with this, which is why I'm not totally confident with the theory. They would need something to threaten him with -- what that would be, I'm not sure.
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Post by stephen on Aug 11, 2017 3:28:46 GMT
While I think that thematically, it's a given that Jaime is the one to kill Cersei, I don't see how Daenerys and Co. would dare trust him on assassinating Cersei. Hell, Daenerys barely trusts Tyrion at this point. No, I'm confident Jaime will come to the decision to kill Cersei on his own. I agree with this, which is why I'm not totally confident with the theory. They would need something to threaten him with -- what that would be, I'm not sure. There's nothing really to threaten him with, though. His children are dead and the only one he really cares about, for good or bad, is Cersei. As much as he may love Tyrion, he did betray them and killed their father. And even so, why would Daenerys trust him to do it? And why would he agree to it? It just doesn't make sense, narratively speaking. No, Jaime will have to come to the realization that Cersei is the Mad King come again all on his own, and he will choke the life from her as the wildfire burns around them.
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Post by DeepArcher on Aug 11, 2017 3:40:10 GMT
I agree with this, which is why I'm not totally confident with the theory. They would need something to threaten him with -- what that would be, I'm not sure. There's nothing really to threaten him with, though. His children are dead and the only one he really cares about, for good or bad, is Cersei. As much as he may love Tyrion, he did betray them and killed their father. And even so, why would Daenerys trust him to do it? And why would he agree to it? It just doesn't make sense, narratively speaking. No, Jaime will have to come to the realization that Cersei is the Mad King come again all on his own, and he will choke the life from her as the wildfire burns around them. While I agree with all of this, it also leaves the question of how exactly Jaime will return to King's Landing to fulfill that purpose. I really don't see him being in any position at the beginning of next week's episode other than being Daenerys' prisoner. And yet we seemingly know of this crucial purpose he has to the narrative that needs to be met within the next handful of episodes. I won't deny that there are logical issues with what I proposed, but it's difficult to see how else he'll be able to get from point A to point B.
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Post by stephen on Aug 11, 2017 3:44:13 GMT
There's nothing really to threaten him with, though. His children are dead and the only one he really cares about, for good or bad, is Cersei. As much as he may love Tyrion, he did betray them and killed their father. And even so, why would Daenerys trust him to do it? And why would he agree to it? It just doesn't make sense, narratively speaking. No, Jaime will have to come to the realization that Cersei is the Mad King come again all on his own, and he will choke the life from her as the wildfire burns around them. While I agree with all of this, it also leaves the question of how exactly Jaime will return to King's Landing to fulfill that purpose. I really don't see him being in any position at the beginning of next week's episode other than being Daenerys' prisoner. And yet we seemingly know of this crucial purpose he has to the narrative that needs to be met within the next handful of episodes. I won't deny that there are logical issues with what I proposed, but it's difficult to see how else he'll be able to get from point A to point B. He fell in the Blackwater River, which could conceivably carry him downriver enough for him to avoid being captured (and if Bronn drags him to a nearby bank, I can see them hoofing it back to King's Landing).
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Post by DeepArcher on Aug 11, 2017 3:50:31 GMT
While I agree with all of this, it also leaves the question of how exactly Jaime will return to King's Landing to fulfill that purpose. I really don't see him being in any position at the beginning of next week's episode other than being Daenerys' prisoner. And yet we seemingly know of this crucial purpose he has to the narrative that needs to be met within the next handful of episodes. I won't deny that there are logical issues with what I proposed, but it's difficult to see how else he'll be able to get from point A to point B. He fell in the Blackwater River, which could conceivably carry him downriver enough for him to avoid being captured (and if Bronn drags him to a nearby bank, I can see them hoofing it back to King's Landing). Fair enough. I didn't realize that's where they were (Blackwater River doesn't even lie between Highgarden and King's Landing -- but I could see how their route could lead them there). It seems a bit too convenient, but that certainly wouldn't stop these writers.
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Post by FrancescoAbides on Aug 11, 2017 12:17:26 GMT
And yet, Ramsay only needed "20 good men" to defeat Stannis. Thank you D&D, for your incredible writing and for doing justice once again to Stannis The Mannis.
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Post by Archie on Aug 11, 2017 12:26:46 GMT
Blackwater River doesn't even lie between Highgarden and King's Landing I think they were close to King's Landing. Note that they had to get across the Blackwater Rush by nightfall, meaning they were likely in the Crownlands already.
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Post by Archie on Aug 12, 2017 18:46:53 GMT
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